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Here we go ladies and gentlemen. A dedicated thread to take some of the heat off the Bluemour Discussion thread and the List Management thread.

The key dates for this period are:

Free Agency Window - Friday 4th October until Friday 11th October
Trade Period - Monday 7th October until Wednesday 16th October

Trade rumours can still be posted in the Bluemour No Discussion thread, and discussed in here.

We'll keep tabs on the trade talk that has come from the clubs, the AFL and the AFL mainstream media at large.

For now, this is a list of potential trades involving Carlton picks, players going out or players coming in. Please get me to add to the list if there are any credible ones I need to add to the list, and we will see how we end up at the end.

1. Matt Owies (Carlton)- out of contract, told to explore his options, has met with Brisbane

2. Matt Kennedy (Carlton) - contracted, told to explore his options

3. Lewis Young (Carlton) - contracted, told to explore his options

4. Dan Houston (Port Adelaide) - contracted, wants to return to Victoria. Carlton and North believed to be frontrunners.

5. Nick Haynes (GWS) - Unrestricted free agent. Set to leave for more game time. Carlton the only club mentioned. Won't cost any draft currency.

6. Christian Petracca (Melbourne) - Contracted. Disgrunted with his club. Linked to Carlton primarily. Has returned to Melbourne but some doubt remains

7. Carlton's future first rounder for Gold Coast's Pick 12 - Reported by the media as Carlton want to use their first rounder this year in the draft, and want this pick to pay for Houston

8. Leek Aleer (GWS) - Contracted. Reported that Carlton are interested, but also reported that the Giants will keep him for next year at least.


Which ones can we get done? What will we get for outgoing players? What will we pay for incoming players?
 

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Bletch said:
2023 AFL Trade Period and the AFL Draft

All About Carlton

Current draft picks: done
2024 draft picks: 1st, 2nd, 4th (Fre), 4th (GC), 4th (WBU)

List changes:
Out: 7 - Ed Curnow (Ret), Plowman (Ret), O'Brien (Del), Philp (Del), Honey (Del), Fisher (Trade), Dow (Trade)
In: 6 - Rob Monahan (IIR-CatB), Elijah Hollands (Trade), Orazio Fantasia (DFA), Ashton Moir (pick 29), Billy Wilson (pick 34), Matthew Carroll (Rookie pick 15)
Uncontracted: 0.
Retained SSP Players: 2 - Cincotta, O'Keeffe
Upgraded Rookie: 1 - Cottrell

List status:
Senior - 36 (36-38)
Rookie - 6 (0-6)
Cat-B Rookie - 2 (0-2)
Total - 44 (44)

Free spots - 0

Note - Matt Duffy (Ireland) not included - assumption is he was not listed after injuring knee.

List Lodgment Dates: OPEN
Tue 31-Oct: List Lodgment 1 COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Father/Son, NGA, Northern Academy bidding nominations close COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: International Scholarship Listed players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Thu 9-Nov: List Lodgment 2 COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Father/Son Primary List lodgment close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov: List Lodgment 3 (post National draft) COMPLETE
Thu 23-Nov: FINAL List Lodgment (post PSD & Rookie drafts) PENDING

The Draft:
Mon 20-Nov
Time 7pm: National Draft Round One COMPLETE
Tue 21-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period COMPLETE
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Rookie Promotion to Primary List COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Delisted Free Agency Period (3) COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov
Northern Academy and NGA Academy eligible Pre-Selected Rookie and Father-Son Pre-Selected Rookie player nominations
3pm: AFL Pre-season Draft COMPLETE
3.20pm: AFL Rookie Draft COMPLETE

Supplementary Selection Period (SSP): PENDING
Mon 27-Nov 9am: SSP starts (players must have been on AFL list previously OR nominated for 2023 draft)
Mon 19-Feb 5pm: SSP ends


Draft Nominations: CLOSED
Tue 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Out-of-contract listed AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close COMPLETE

Player and Selection Trades: CLOSED
Mon 9-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Commences – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Wed 18-Oct 7.30pm: AFL Trade Period Closes – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Mon 23-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Opens – Selections Only COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: AFL Trade Period Closes –Selections Only COMPLETE

Delisted Free Agency Periods: CLOSED
Wed 01-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences COMPLETE
Wed 08-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes COMPLETE
(see also period 3 under "The Draft" section below)

Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agency Trades: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct 9am: AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period Commences COMPLETE
Fri 13-Oct 5pm: Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period COMPLETE
Mon 16-Oct 5pm: AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends COMPLETE

Draft Combines: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct to Sun 8-Oct: National Draft Combine COMPLETE
Sun 8-Oct: Victorian State Combine COMPLETE
Sat 14-Oct: SA/NT State Combine COMPLETE
Sun 15-Oct: WA State Combine COMPLETE

6-Oct
1. James Jordon to Sydney as UFA. Melbourne receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (40)
2. Matt Flynn to WCE as UFA. GWS receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (41)
8-Oct
3. Joel Hamling to Sydney as UFA. Fremantle do not receive any compensation.
9-Oct
4. Tom Doedee to Brisbane as RFA. Adelaide receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 20)
5. Pick Swap: GCS trade picks 5, 48, 53 and future 3rd (GC) to WBU in return for picks 11, 18 and future 1st rd (WBU)
6. Pick Swap: Freo trade pick 25 and future 2nd rd to Port for future 1st (Port)
7. Todd Goldstein to Essendon as UFA. No compensation for North Melbourne.
10-Oct
8. Ben McKay to Essendon as RFA. North Melbourne receive 1st round pick as compensation (3)
9. James Harmes to Western Bulldogs. Melbourne receive a future 3rd rd pick (WBU)
11-Oct
10. Dylan Stephens to North Melbourne with pick 26. Sydney receive a future end of first round (pick 19) and this year's pick 45.
11. Pick Swap: Melbourne receives pick 11. Gold Coast get 14, 28, 36 in return.
12. Chris Burgess and pick 14 to Adelaide. Gold Coast get picks 24 and 27.
13. Pick Swap: North Melbourne receive pick 18. Gold Coast gets future end of first round (pick 20) comp pick.
14. Brodie Grundy to Sydney. Melbourne receive pick 47 and future second round pick (Syd)
15. Taylor Adams to Sydney. Collingwood receive pick 34.
16. Zac Fisher to North Melbourne with pick 17. CARLTON receive picks 22 and 26.
13-Oct
17. Jade Gresham to Essendon as RFA. St Kilda receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 21)
18. Toby Pink to North Melbourne - delisted free agent.
19. Tom Fullarton to Melbourne. Brisbane receive pick 47 in return.
14-Oct
20. Tyler Brockman to West Coast Eagles. Hawthorn receive picks 44 and 63 in return.
16-Oct
21. Bigoa Nyuon to North Melbourne. Richmond receive pick 65.
22. Lachie Schultz to Collingwood. Fremantle receive pick 34 and a future first round pick (Col) in return.
23. Liam Henry and future round four (Fre) pick to St Kilda. Fremantle receive a future 2nd (StK) and future 4th (StK).
17-Oct
24. Shane McAdam to Melbourne. Adelaide receive a future second round pick (Mel) in return.
25. Multi-trade
.... CARLTON: Give - Paddy Dow, future 3rd (Car), future 4th (Car). Receive - future 3rd (Ess), future 4th (Fre), future 4th (WBU)
.... Essendon: Give - 52, future 3rd (Ess). Receive - pick 35, future 4th (Car)
.... St Kilda: Give - Nick Coffield, picks 35, 56, future 4th (Fre). Receive - Paddy Dow, pick 40, future 3rd (Car)
.... Western Bulldogs: Give - pick 40, future 4th (WBU). Receive - Nick Coffield, picks 52, 56
18-Oct
26. Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide with pick 50. Richmond receive picks 41, 49 a future 2nd round (Fre) and future 4th round (PA).
27. Jack Ginnivan pick 39, future 2nd (Col) and future 4th (Col) to Hawthorn. Collingwood receive pick 33, future 2nd (Haw), future 3rd (Haw)
28. Jordan Sweet to Port Adelaide. Western Bulldogs receive pick 50 in return.
29. Esava Ratugolea to Port Adelaide. Geelong receive picks 25, 76 and 94.
30. Elijah Hollands to CARLTON with pick 28 and future 4th (GC). Gold Coast receive pick 26 and future 3rd (Ess).
31. Jacob Koschitzke to Richmond. Hawthorn receive pick 49.
32. Jack Billings to Melbourne. St Kilda receive a future 3rd round pick (Mel).
33. Multi-trade
.... Brisbane: Give - Jack Gunston, picks 47, 61, future 2nd round (Bri). Receive - Ryan, 39, 54, future 4th (Haw).
.... Hawthorn: Give - Brandon Ryan, picks 39, 54, future 4th round (Haw). Receive - Gunston, 47, 61, future 2nd (Bri).
34. Mabior Chol to Hawthorn with pick 62. Gold Coast receive a future 2nd round pick (Bri).
35. Massimo D'Ambrosio to Hawthorn. Essendon receive pick 61, future 4th round (Col)
36. Multi-trade
.... Essendon: Give - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, pick 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car). Receive - Xavier Duursma
.... Port Adelaide: Give - Xavier Duursma. Receive - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car)





Nominated:
Elliott Himmelberg to GWS (Trade) - staying at GWS

Mooted:
Buku Khamis - staying at Dogs
Dylan Shiel
Clayton Oliver - Ade/Gee - staying at Melbourne
Ollie Wines
Dan McKenzie - Suns?
Scott Lycett
Tom Clurey
James Borlase
Brynn Teakle
Josh Sinn
Orazio Fantasia - GWS?
Sam Hayes
Harrison Petty


Potential DFA and Retiree moves:
TBA

Missed Out on trades:
TBA




Full AFL Trade/Draft Key Dates

Official AFL Trade Hub

Official AFL Trade Tracker

Official AFL Draft Hub

Indicative Draft Order

List Changes by Club
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Going to throw up a hypothetical. Port wants Lukosius, Gold Coast wants to move one of their 1sts into next year and some points for Lombard, we're into Houston apparently...

Port get Lukosius, 20, 46; give Houston and 36.
Gold Coast get Carlton's F1, 31, 35*, 36, 62; give Lukosius, 20, 26.
Carlton get Houston, 26; give F1, 31 and 35* (*Owies trade).

A little convoluted with all the picks, but value wise:
  • Port get Lukosius and pick 20, slide 36 back to 46. This roughly equates to two late firsts for Houston.
  • Gold Coast moves their last first-rounder (norf end of 1st round compo) into next year, pick up 1700 points to match bids (equiv of pick 6) and loses Lukosius and 2 picks that would get swallowed up by the Lombard bid.
  • We get Houston, and an upgrade on pick 31, giving up our F1 and whatever we get for owies, and we keep pick 11 for this year.
I'm not saying this is likely, but it would make sense given where players look to be going. It's why we're happy for Owies (and Kennedy) to explore his option's because it gives us just that little bit more capital to make a deal happen while still being in a meaty part of this year's draft. I'd love to see us get even more ambitious and try to reach for Gold Coast's pick 12, as that's probably just outside where Lombard will be, but it's probably a bit of a stretch.
 
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Heres some help Bletch!

Nominated:

Josh Battle - RFA - StK -> Haw
Jack Lukosius - Trade - GCS -> Port
Ivan Soldo - Trade - Port -> StK
Alex Neal-Bullen - Trade - Melb -> Adel
John Noble - Trade - Coll -> GCS
Daniel Rioli - Trade - Rich -> GCS
Wade Derksen - Trade - GWS -> Melb
Jack Darling - Trade - WCE -> North
Tom Barrass - Trade - WCE -> Haw
Jack McRae - Trade - WB -> StK
Issac Cumming - FA - GWS -> Adel

Yet to Nominate, but requested a trade:

Harry Perryman - FA - GWS -> Pies/Port
Bailey Smith - Trade - WB -> Geel
Shai Bolton - Trade - Rich -> Freo
Liam Baker - Trade - Rich -> Freo/WCE
Dan Houston - Trade - Port -> VIC club
(North, Carl, StK)
Nick Haynes - FA - GWS -> Carl
Elliott Himmelburg - FA - Adel -> GCS
Jack Martin - DFA - Carl -> Geel

Rumours:

Luke Parker - Syd -> North. North want to add experienced bodies, as of 25/9, Parker more likely to stay a Swan

Dustin Martin - Rich -> GCS. Met with Dimma and GCS, Hardwick spoke last 48 hours about how much Dustin needs to fit life on the GC but also is he the right fit team and list wise - questions put to Dusty.

Jayden Laverde - Ess -> StK. A year to run on his deal, Carl, Pies, Cats also all been linked.

Matt Owies - Carl -> Bris, GCS, WCE. Reportedly has been offered a 2 yr deal, but also club happy to see him field offers as club looks at re-jigging list. Midweek tackle saying he has met with Suns and Eagles. Twomey saying Brisbane have interest

Matt Kennedy - Carl -> Told to explore options from exit interview if wanting more midfield time.

Lewis Young - Carl -> Told to explore options from exit interview.

Jack Carroll - Carl -> WCE. Been interest and rumours for a while, WA boy, Eagles been main suitor

Finn Maginness - Haw -> Ess. Riley Beveridge has stated Bombers have identified him as a target maybe, want outside run

Josh Rotham - WCE -> Ess. Depends on Laverde maybe, will be a UFA and can move at his discretion. Twomey flagged interest.

Xavier O’Halloran - GWS -> WB. Dogs after Peatling and O’Halloran. Has 1 year left on deal. Grandfather was a Dogs premiership player. Looking at him.

Tom Clurey - Port -> WCE. Depends on new coach, interest has been flagged.

Riley Garcia - WB -> WCE, North. 2 year deal from Dogs. WCE happy to maybe out price to bring him back to WA.

Joe Richards - Coll -> Port. Considering a move to Alberton.

Caleb Daniel - WB -> North. Mitch Cleary stating North into Daniel and he will look to meet with more clubs.

Jack Graham - Rich -> WCE. Has a 4 year deal from WC. Reported a end of 2nd rounder could be compensation for Tigs.

Adam Tomlinson - Melb -> StK, Coll. Frustrated at lack of senior opportunities. Saints and Pies reportedly interested.

Tom Campbell - StK -> Melb. DFA free to join Dees.

Ollie Lord - Port -> Coll, Melb. Both enquired. Pies in the market for a forward, Dees long term admirers. Cats made a surprise charge last trade period.

James Peatling - GWS -> Multitude of interested clubs. GWS have 3 year deal in front of him. Undecided.
 
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Port is going to be a fascinating watch with all of the businesss mooted.

Free agents Cumming and Perryman won’t be cheap. Thinking if they get either they will eat up any salary cap saved by trading Houston.

Clearly in the market for a small forward option or two Joe Richards in the mix

Lukosius is the dramatic one. Back ended deals rumoured to have him due for $1.9million in 2025. Even if the Gold Coast paid half, still equates to a million close enough.

They are going to NEED Houston off their books and may not be able to dictate to the “winning” suitor on trade value
 
Coona Blues said:
Port is going to be a fascinating watch with all of the businesss mooted.

Free agents Cumming and Perryman won’t be cheap. Thinking if they get either they will eat up any salary cap saved by trading Houston.

Clearly in the market for a small forward option or two Joe Richards in the mix

Lukosius is the dramatic one. Back ended deals rumoured to have him due for $1.9million in 2025. Even if the Gold Coast paid half, still equates to a million close enough.

They are going to NEED Houston off their books and may not be able to dictate to the “winning” suitor on trade value
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1.9 million!!!?
 
BIuebagger said:
Heres some help Bletch!

Nominated:

Josh Battle - RFA - StK -> Haw
Jack Lukosius - Trade - GCS -> Port
Ivan Soldo - Trade - Port -> StK
Alex Neal-Bullen - Trade - Melb -> Adel
John Noble - Trade - Coll -> GCS
Daniel Rioli - Trade - Rich -> GCS
Wade Derksen - Trade - GWS -> Melb
Jack Darling - Trade - WCE -> North
Tom Barrass - Trade - WCE -> Haw
Jack McRae - Trade - WB -> StK

Yet to Nominate, but requested a trade:

Issac Cumming - FA - GWS -> Port/Adel
Harry Perryman - FA - GWS -> Pies/Port
Bailey Smith - Trade - WB -> Geel
Shai Bolton - Trade - Rich -> Freo
Liam Baker - Trade - Rich -> Freo/WCE
Dan Houston - Trade - Port -> VIC club
(North, Carl, StK)
James Peatling - Trade - GWS -> Multitude of interested clubs.
Nick Haynes - FA - GWS -> Carl
Elliott Himmelburg - Trade - Adel -> GCS
Jack Martin - DFA - Carl -> Geel

Rumours:

Luke Parker - Syd -> North
Dustin Martin - Rich -> GCS
Jayden Laverde - Ess -> StK
Matt Owies - Carl -> Bris, WCE
Matt Kennedy - Carl -> Told to explore
Lewis Young - Carl -> Told to explore
Jack Carroll - Carl -> WCE
Finn Maginness - Haw -> Ess
Josh Rotham - WCE -> Ess
Xavier O’Halloran - GWS -> WB
Tom Clurey - Port -> WCE
Riley Garcia - WB -> WCE, North
Joe Richards - Coll -> Port
Caleb Daniel - WB -> North
Jack Graham - Rich -> WCE
Adam Tomlinson - Melb -> StK, Coll
Tom Campbell - StK -> Melb
Ollie Lord - Port -> Coll, Melb
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Peatling is still rumoured, hasn’t yet declined GWS’s offer, has he?

Himmelberg is a FA too.
 
Coona Blues said:
Port is going to be a fascinating watch with all of the businesss mooted.

Free agents Cumming and Perryman won’t be cheap. Thinking if they get either they will eat up any salary cap saved by trading Houston.

Clearly in the market for a small forward option or two Joe Richards in the mix

Lukosius is the dramatic one. Back ended deals rumoured to have him due for $1.9million in 2025. Even if the Gold Coast paid half, still equates to a million close enough.

They are going to NEED Houston off their books and may not be able to dictate to the “winning” suitor on trade value
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Houston is on unders isn’t he (prob another reason wishing to depart), so outgoing wages will be eaten up & then some.

Seemingly Crows are leading the race for Cumming & Perryman is going to be very overpaid wherever he ends up with a long tenure.
 
pressurepoint said:
3 way:

GCS: Recieve Pick 11
Port: Recieves Lukosius
Carlton: Recieves Houston and Rosas Jnr

What extra pieces would even up this trade
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Lukosius would only be worth a second rounder now and Rosas not even a third rounder so GCS are getting too much there and Port too little.

Plus sounds like Carlton intends to hold onto Pick 11 so will be using other picks to get Houston in (our second, future first, what we get for Kennedy, Owies etc)

Houston is worth a late first rounder so we have to ensure we are offering enough compared to what North could offer (doesn’t have to be better but close enough) - which would probably be an exchange of future firsts


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