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Fisher, Setanta or Grigg. Wouldn't surprise me if Walker's name has been thrown about as well.
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Fisher, Setanta or Grigg. Wouldn't surprise me if Walker's name has been thrown about as well.
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In a heartbeat.
So we have too many players showing potential as a CHF that we should give away Setanta?
Even the old Fremantle wouldn't have done that trade.
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Have to say i agree mostly with what Malifice is proposing, i am still unsure around the idea of recruiting Hall, personally i think he has played his best footy out of the goal square and moving him up to CHF may actually not prove to be an effective stratergy, and if another imfamous brain fade occurs Carlton cops the criticism just like Richmond will if Cousins falls back into drugs. In the end we need another KPP in the side, almost definitly from our first pick unless a mid like Cunnington or Martin inexplicably drops. Personally wouldn't mind seeing Panos or perhaps Griffiths in navy blue but these guys aren't going to come straight into the side. So IMO the answer is to have Kreuze spend as much time forward as possible, play Fev out of the goalsquare use Yarran and Gartlett as the crumbing forwards and chuck Waite forward occasionally to stretch the opposition defence. If you remember round 1 he ran off Richo and scored 3 goals, if he can do that regularly we may have one the biggest weapons in the AFL, a player that can negate a key opposition player and run on and cause havok to their defence
Ellard is quality - hard as nails and hard at it for the full 100 minutes! Great in-and-under player and has blitzed them in the Ants all season. Sad that he doesn't get a serious look-in as far as the seniors go - perception is that he's too small! Carlton have a great little player under their nose, who given even half a chance will definitely prove his worth. Will be a steal if picked up by another club.
Of course they are problem is he contracted we wont trade him
Contract means nothing this day and age!!
Cant see Boak leaving Port though.
Think young Ellard may turn out to be Jospeh like in his development. Took Joseph 2 years in the 2's before he finally found his niche in the seniors.
Agreed but he cant just walk out and go play for carlton can he?. We have to agree to trade him . After next season he could decide to not sign and then he could end up at carlton or whoever it is who wins the spoon
how so?? and what are you going to offer to trade him ??? it will need to be something VERY good before port will even look at it he cant just walk because hes contracted till 2010If Travis Boak wonts to leave he can and i think he will if the blues are loking at him cause it was a child hood dream of his to play for the blues. We can promise him a premiership in about 2-3 years.
GO THE BLUE BOYZ
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TheBrownDog
Click the log out button in the top right corner of your screen and never come back. Kthxbai.
It's more along the lines of turn off your computer, pull the power cord out, get a knife, cut the power cord and enjoy. (not you, gopower). #27 for Boak is a joke of epic proportions.
For Carlton get Boak this season you're looking at the very least Jordan Russell and probably a first. If Boak were on a Melbourne based club (or the Crows) he'd be talked up as being one of the genuine young stars of the competition, much in the same way we Carlton fans speak of Gibbs and Murphy.
Would you accept a second round pick for either of those? You'd be offended just as gopower was.
For Carlton get Boak this season you're looking at the very least Jordan Russell and probably a first. If Boak were on a Melbourne based club (or the Crows) he'd be talked up as being one of the genuine young stars of the competition, much in the same way we Carlton fans speak of Gibbs and Murphy.
Would you accept a second round pick for either of those? You'd be offended just as gopower was.
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TheBrownDog
No offence to you, you seem like a reasonable poster, but even that wouldn't get you there. True, Russell has improved enormously on what he used to offer, but he's still only played about half a season of good football in his career. Even if we were guaranteed that he would continue on the good path he's on now and not return to his old spuddiness, he's still nothing more than a good small defender. Travis Boak is already a B+ grade mid with the potential to step up to A-grade in the not-too-distant future. A good small defender and a pick that is twice as high as what we used on Boak in the first place (to use the same analogy that I used before, Boak for 11 is like winning the lottery and then spending the money on lottery tickets) is not worth a player of Boak's potential, unless he announces that he wants to leave Port, the only club he'll go to is Carlton and if we don't trade him he'll walk, and I don't see any of those events happening let alone all of them. Quantity does not equal quality, otherwise we'd probably trade half our squad for Buddy or Roughead. For Boak we wouldn't want two things that nearly equal his value, we'd want one thing that is equal to or greater than his value. From Carlton, that would be Gibbs, Murphy, Judd or Kreuzer, nobody else, and obviously your club wouldn't be willing to give any of those guys up.
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he said the very least.
You are kidding if you think Boak is worth Murphy or Gibbs or Kreuzer!
Whatever Port get for Burgoyne, Boak is worth less.
Whatever Port get for Burgoyne, Boak is worth less.
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TheBrownDog
I don't, but below that group you have nobody who's worth Boak, so he probably will never be a Blue. And if you'd rather a 27 year old Burgoyne than a 21 year old Boak then you're an idiot.
I did say in the very least that it would cost Russell & (probably) a first round draft pick.
If you're thinking that an eventual trade (if one were to happen) would be an upgrade to the Power you've got to be kidding yourself. Realistically, you are in a position of power (pardon the pun) in trading Boak to Carlton this season which is why it WILL NOT happen. Carlton will not give up something better than Boak to get Boak to the team.
However, if Boak nominates a trade to Carlton next season then it is Carlton who are in a position of power (again, pardon the pun). You won't be able to get a first round pick from Carlton next season because in all likelihood with all of the Gold Coast's draft pick's Carlton wont be drafting until the mid 20s.
As far as hoping that Bryce Gibbs wants back to Adelaide at the end of next season you'd be competing with the Crows for his services. With all of the young talent that they have (not to mention a possible early pick if the Gold Coast team work out a trade for Tippett) the Crows seemingly have a lot more to trade to Carlton for Gibbs than Port would in Boak. Carlton would play both teams against each other and/or Gibbs would likely nominate the Crows.
In all honesty, I don't see Boak heading to Visy this trade period or next. The particulars on a trade wouldn't be perceived as fair both ways - i.e. Port would would demand more than Russell + 1st (as you suggest, and I suggest would be Carlton's offer) and Carlton wouldn't be willing to pay that price. Next year with the Gold Coast mess it's just too difficult to get even value. Next year is actually worse than trading him this season.
I do agree that Carlton don't have anyone who is worth Boak aside from players that are worth more than him. That's the problem with Carlton's list right now - a lot of superstar quality talent and it thins out very quickly after that or is undervalued due to injury or whatnot (e.g. Andrew Walker). Our superstar talent is what the club views as untouchable. The best I could imagine Carlton offering is #11 + Jordan Russell + Shaun Grigg and that'd be overpaying in my opinion -- not that Boak isn't worth it (he is) but the long term damage that it would do on the depth of the list would be horrific.
If you're thinking that an eventual trade (if one were to happen) would be an upgrade to the Power you've got to be kidding yourself. Realistically, you are in a position of power (pardon the pun) in trading Boak to Carlton this season which is why it WILL NOT happen. Carlton will not give up something better than Boak to get Boak to the team.
However, if Boak nominates a trade to Carlton next season then it is Carlton who are in a position of power (again, pardon the pun). You won't be able to get a first round pick from Carlton next season because in all likelihood with all of the Gold Coast's draft pick's Carlton wont be drafting until the mid 20s.
As far as hoping that Bryce Gibbs wants back to Adelaide at the end of next season you'd be competing with the Crows for his services. With all of the young talent that they have (not to mention a possible early pick if the Gold Coast team work out a trade for Tippett) the Crows seemingly have a lot more to trade to Carlton for Gibbs than Port would in Boak. Carlton would play both teams against each other and/or Gibbs would likely nominate the Crows.
In all honesty, I don't see Boak heading to Visy this trade period or next. The particulars on a trade wouldn't be perceived as fair both ways - i.e. Port would would demand more than Russell + 1st (as you suggest, and I suggest would be Carlton's offer) and Carlton wouldn't be willing to pay that price. Next year with the Gold Coast mess it's just too difficult to get even value. Next year is actually worse than trading him this season.
I do agree that Carlton don't have anyone who is worth Boak aside from players that are worth more than him. That's the problem with Carlton's list right now - a lot of superstar quality talent and it thins out very quickly after that or is undervalued due to injury or whatnot (e.g. Andrew Walker). Our superstar talent is what the club views as untouchable. The best I could imagine Carlton offering is #11 + Jordan Russell + Shaun Grigg and that'd be overpaying in my opinion -- not that Boak isn't worth it (he is) but the long term damage that it would do on the depth of the list would be horrific.
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TheBrownDog
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There's the problem. Port have depth but need more star power, Carlton have star power but need more depth, so obviously depth pick + good player + good player for very good player would take both clubs backwards. If there was going to be a win-win it would have to be Boak + something for Kreuzer, Gibbs etc., not Carlton packaging together players to get Boak, and I don't see that happening.
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Ellard was very very good again today for the Bullants. Uses the ball very well, and is pretty couragous for a bloke who is only 177cm. Reasonable leg speed, and could see him playing some sort of role at Carlton next year.
Boak is already a better player than gibbs.
If i had to rate those players in order it would go Murphy, Boak, Kruezer then Gibbs.
Murhpy is a gun, as is Boak. Kruz will be a gun. Gibbs needs more time.
You don't watch Carlton mate.
Gibbs is ahead of Kruezer and Boak.
It goes Murphy, Gibbs, Boak, Kruez
Doesnt mean it will stay that way.
Gibbs in 2010 can win the brownlow and will be AA. Write it down mate.
Murphy will be AA
Boak is very good but does not really stand out, more of a Boyd type who will be underrated his whole career even though a very good player
Gibbs is ahead of Kruezer and Boak.
It goes Murphy, Gibbs, Boak, Kruez
Doesnt mean it will stay that way.
Gibbs in 2010 can win the brownlow and will be AA. Write it down mate.
Murphy will be AA
Boak is very good but does not really stand out, more of a Boyd type who will be underrated his whole career even though a very good player
Mate i have watched Gibbs closer than any other carlton player this season. Dream team makes footy tragic's of us all. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player and will be a star, but i dont see him turning elite just yet. He might make the squad at AA next year, but thats his ceiling in 2010. IMO.
Agree to disagree i guess.
However i like gibbs, and as long as it not against the bombers, i would like to see explode to another level.
Agree to disagree i guess.
However i like gibbs, and as long as it not against the bombers, i would like to see explode to another level.
I agree with BJsteel. I have him high on votes for the Brownlow this year, but he's not elite. He's the type to draw more attention from the umpires than his real value to a team. Still, an AA candidate. A legit Brownlow chance in 2012.
You want an elite Carlton midfielder next year look no further than Marc Murphy. Murph has 25-30 goal, 28 disposal average potential as early as next season. If the Blues somehow got another quality midfielder that could unleash Murph to play periods of the game on an offensive wing / half forward flank he'd be one of the most damaging players in the AFL. He's a natural match winner. Gibbs can get there but he's a year or two away.
Gibbs in my opinion is a little ahead of Boak. They're two different types and while they're both mids it is difficult to compare. Gibbs has a lot of filling out to do while Boak is almost as good as you can get in the areas that he would consider his specialty.
You want an elite Carlton midfielder next year look no further than Marc Murphy. Murph has 25-30 goal, 28 disposal average potential as early as next season. If the Blues somehow got another quality midfielder that could unleash Murph to play periods of the game on an offensive wing / half forward flank he'd be one of the most damaging players in the AFL. He's a natural match winner. Gibbs can get there but he's a year or two away.
Gibbs in my opinion is a little ahead of Boak. They're two different types and while they're both mids it is difficult to compare. Gibbs has a lot of filling out to do while Boak is almost as good as you can get in the areas that he would consider his specialty.
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