Toast Celebrating Dayne Beams becoming a Lion. Let's party like it is 2003!!! #swagger

[a mayes ing]

Think you have summed it up pretty well there. There is no doubt as long as Beams continues being the player he is this is an outstanding result for Brisbane. You just dont get to trade elite talent into your club everyday especially when the player is just entering their prime years. Beams was and remains a massive loss at Collingwood. He was at an age where he was the elite bridge between our established stars and the youth coming through. He was the elite talent who was to be around the longest while the team developed and moved back into contention. Brisbane will get his best years and good luck to you. none of Greenwood, De Goey or Crisp will measure up to him as a player. It was a no brainer for you guys to do this deal. we will feel his loss for a long time to come and even the 3 we gained wont likely make up for it.

For us it is turning out better than we anticipated and I admit to doubting Crisps value. It has been mainly him who has helped us get over losing Beams although De Goey looks good also. In the banter at the time Brisbane posters spoke well of Crisp but I think it would be fair to say he has either exceeded or is at the upper levels of what even Brisbane posters were seeing as his worth.Its a credit to him as less than 12 months ago he looked to be heading to delisting and only probably got the 6 games at the end of the season on the back of your bad injury list. Yes he showed promise but when he left Brisbane he was no lock in your 22 if your list was up and fit. likewise on exposed form he started outside Collingwoods best 22 pre season so has really made big steps this season.

He doesnt feature in the article on the VFL website and rightly so because he wasnt seen by either Brisbane or Collingwood as a high profile recruit. His standing has gone a long way up in the game in the last 11 rounds more so than either club would have expected would be my guess. Nature of the business but Crisp has made the loss of Beams a bit more palatable and that was no given 11 rounds ago.

I had to check back to your avatar to see if you really were a Collingwood supporter. Seems like a well reasoned and thought out post, much more enjoyable talking to a Collingwood supporter when he isn't bragging about how they obviously won the Beams trade.

i don't think any of us are surprised, he is playing at around the same level he was when he was reintroduced to the seniors for the last 6 games.

 

[Skoob]

Think you have summed it up pretty well there. There is no doubt as long as Beams continues being the player he is this is an outstanding result for Brisbane. You just dont get to trade elite talent into your club everyday especially when the player is just entering their prime years. Beams was and remains a massive loss at Collingwood. He was at an age where he was the elite bridge between our established stars and the youth coming through. He was the elite talent who was to be around the longest while the team developed and moved back into contention. Brisbane will get his best years and good luck to you. none of Greenwood, De Goey or Crisp will measure up to him as a player. It was a no brainer for you guys to do this deal. we will feel his loss for a long time to come and even the 3 we gained wont likely make up for it.

For us it is turning out better than we anticipated and I admit to doubting Crisps value. It has been mainly him who has helped us get over losing Beams although De Goey looks good also. In the banter at the time Brisbane posters spoke well of Crisp but I think it would be fair to say he has either exceeded or is at the upper levels of what even Brisbane posters were seeing as his worth.Its a credit to him as less than 12 months ago he looked to be heading to delisting and only probably got the 6 games at the end of the season on the back of your bad injury list. Yes he showed promise but when he left Brisbane he was no lock in your 22 if your list was up and fit. likewise on exposed form he started outside Collingwoods best 22 pre season so has really made big steps this season.

He doesnt feature in the article on the VFL website and rightly so because he wasnt seen by either Brisbane or Collingwood as a high profile recruit. His standing has gone a long way up in the game in the last 11 rounds more so than either club would have expected would be my guess. Nature of the business but Crisp has made the loss of Beams a bit more palatable and that was no given 11 rounds ago.

It's that sort of reasoned articulation that will get you into a moderator's job.
Exactly my thoughts. In terms of a trade deal, I think most would accept it as a win win. Who knows, if De Goey & Greenwood come along, it could be seen to favour Collingwood and it won't matter, we won't care, we got our man and your club will have done nicely too. It is no slight on Crisp to exclude him from the article when adjudging the best player transfer. Would he figure somewhere in the top 15, had they looked at everyone? Quite possibly/more than likely, but there are some pretty handy players in there.
I think it's also worth considering this;

According to Aphex, the Lions can take early bragging rights in the deal,

Crisp is looking good, if he maintains his current form/trajectory and fair to say it is way too early to know how De Goey will turn out. We're only halfway through the season and it should be remembered that pick 5 was the main offering in the trade, with Crisp the sweetener. So in that respect, Collingwood could be the bigger winner here, but in time, not just yet.

 

[knaf]

Well they claim "the Lions can take early bragging rights in the deal, with the software program ranking Beams, who has played every game and averaged 29 disposals, the best recruit of 2015." - but fail to include any players that Collingwood gained in the deal. I realise we are all a little one eyed but surely you can see the problem with that analysis?

I'll be waiting with baited breath for a comparison on the 15 lowest profile players to switch clubs last year so we can claim the "bragging rights" without actually comparing players involved in the trade.

My point is that a Collingwood supporter has no idea about "fairness". See the history of Fitzroy Brisbane bears for an example of what's unfair. See the front page of the Age today to see how unfair things are for Collingwood. Yet you come to our board and complain that your player hasn't Been rank in some pissy little newspaper article. And you wonder why the gods hate Collingwood.

 

[Eons]

Also think Collingwood supporters are overestimating the value of Crisp to console them for the loss of Beams. Yes, he's a handy player and they are very surprised at how well he's played based on how low their expectations were of him. Crisp is a handy player, Greenwood is a handy player, De Goey looks like he'll be pretty decent, we know how good Beams is, there was no guessing from our side. As long as both teams feel like they had a win that's good for every one involved.

 

[carnthemlions]

Also think Collingwood supporters are overestimating the value of Crisp to console them for the loss of Beams. Yes, he's a handy player and they are very surprised at how well he's played based on how low their expectations were of him. Crisp is a handy player, Greenwood is a handy player, De Goey looks like he'll be pretty decent, we know how good Beams is, there was no guessing from our side. As long as both teams feel like they had a win that's good for every one involved.

I think the best thing Crisp has done for them so far is to cover the loss of Greenwood.

 

[ppoiter]

My point is that a Collingwood supporter has no idea about "fairness". See the history of Fitzroy Brisbane bears for an example of what's unfair. See the front page of the Age today to see how unfair things are for Collingwood. Yet you come to our board and complain that your player hasn't Been rank in some pissy little newspaper article. And you wonder why the gods hate Collingwood.

What are you referring to in The Age? I dont have a hard copy. All I can see along those lines is a new sponsorship deal for Hawthorn

 

[knaf]

What are you referring to in The Age? I dont have a hard copy. All I can see along those lines is a new sponsorship deal for Hawthorn

The strong sides in Melbourne get stronger based on international companies entering sponsorship deals. International companies (and media companies) are only prepared to put lots of money into AFL because it is a national game. It is only a national game because of expansion clubs. Yet your President uses all his influence to slap down expansion clubs. Now that's unfair.

Fortunately the gods are not blind and they will continue to annoy Collingwood supporters with the whole range of to torture from pissy little unfair articles to umpiring decisions that cost grand finals. "Here is the reason I will call no "Collingwood supporter" happy" apologises to Sophocles.

 

[ppoiter]

The strong sides in Melbourne get stronger based on international companies entering sponsorship deals. International companies (and media companies) are only prepared to put lots of money into AFL because it is a national game. It is only a national game because of expansion clubs. Yet your President uses all his influence to slap down expansion clubs. Now that's unfair.

Fortunately the gods are not blind and they will continue to annoy Collingwood supporters with the whole range of to torture from pissy little unfair articles to umpiring decisions that cost grand finals. "Here is the reason I will call no "Collingwood supporter" happy" apologises to Sophocles.

So much hate!

Didnt really annoy me, all it said was "early bragging rights" and didnt include what we got from the trade. Whatever. Anyway, we're happy with what we got and so are you so who really cares.

Also last I checked, plenty of non-VIC teams get sponsored by international companies

 

[dlanod]

Also last I checked, plenty of non-VIC teams get sponsored by international companies

That's his point - there'd be a lot less interest by big companies in pouring money into sponsorship if they're only getting access to about half of Australia's market.

 

[ppoiter]

That's his point - there'd be a lot less interest by big companies in pouring money into sponsorship if they're only getting access to about half of Australia's market.

Ok. I thought his point was that international companies pour money in because it's a nationwide comp but only VIC teams get the benefits

 

[knaf]

No hate. Truth isn't an emotion. It is what it is. Collingwood supporters came here asking question about fairness.

 

[Schache It Off]

I like Dayne Beams

>Really ? Didn't you guys just trade for Beama without a key forward and with no real young talent outside of mayes...so where exactly is your list at ?

If you think we have no real young talent aside from Mayes (Who isn't in great form at the moment) May I suggest you stick to the Collingwood board or start watching more of our games? Obviously you can't be bothered watching us and fine whatever, which is the time you stop posting and telling us about the state of our list.

It's like me saying you fellas have no good talent aside from Crisp/Grundy. Now you know why most people saw your posts as troll bait?

 

[nahnah]

>Really ? Didn't you guys just trade for Beama without a key forward and with no real young talent outside of mayes...so where exactly is your list at ?

If you think we have no real young talent aside from Mayes (Who isn't in great form at the moment) May I suggest you stick to the Collingwood board or start watching more of our games? Obviously you can't be bothered watching us and fine whatever, which is the time you stop posting and telling us about the state of our list.

It's like me saying you fellas have no good talent aside from Crisp/Grundy. Now you know why most people saw your posts as troll bait?

Yes I know it could be seen as trolling, yes I know some things I said weren't suited given it is your board. But I did come here to joke that crisp was number one after seeing a Collingwood poster ask where crisp would be and you all came at me like an angry pack of wolves and I am a collingwood supporter after all, I am use to the hate.
I have a very good understanding of the players on your list, I've watched at least half of your games. i would say the main bulk of talent on your list is in the 23-27 age bracket rather than the 18-22... Would you agree with that ? Or is that deemed trolling also.

 

[Haso]

Yes I know it could be seen as trolling, yes I know some things I said weren't suited given it is your board. But I did come here to joke that crisp was number one after seeing a Collingwood poster ask where crisp would be and you all came at me like an angry pack of wolves and I am a collingwood supporter after all, I am use to the hate.
I have a very good understanding of the players on your list, I've watched at least half of your games. i would say the main bulk of talent on your list is in the 23-27 age bracket rather than the 18-22... Would you agree with that ? Or is that deemed trolling also.

Id say there were more than Taylor in that bottom age group.

Gardner and Paparone have been improving in the back six. Paps had his career best game just prior to the bye.

Andrews is a young (very) tall who has been emerging also and has earned his rest this week. Freeman, also an academy product, did well last year prior to his long term injury earlier this year. Kicked 4 against Collingwood last year.

All in all I think it's easy to understand an outsider only seeing our mid-20s tier, and injury has shielded the view of the younger guys, but they're there.

 

[Cockliff38]

The trade looks a genuine win-win for both clubs. Wish we could move away from these pointless pissing contests but for the sake of accuracy, let's just remember that Brisbane also netted a pick in the late 60s, which turned into Jaden McGrath - someone who has exceeded expectation so far (like the arguments for Crisp but obviously not to his extent).

 

[askdotcom]

this is a classic thread no idea how i missed it

 

[lukiuslion]

Yeah I think it can be concluded it is a genuine win/ win.

Beams is an out and out star, gets to so many contests, things slow down when he gets the ball and he always hits a target, never plays a bad game - genuine, unmistakable.. 'A grader' in every single sense.

Pies get a win with Crisp, Greenwood and de'goey. No single one of those players will ever be a Dayne Beams, but as a combo, with where the list is at, it was the perfect trade, I think those 3 will serve the pies better than say... had we swapped rocky for Beams.

My Mate who is a mad pies man was saying on the W/E, "at first I was spewing, but I don't know now, it feels like we came out fine", me as a Lions fan was happy as Larry with Beams. How good trades should work.

 

[Schache It Off]

Didn't we get Jaden Mcgrath from their pick?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Didn't we get Jaden Mcgrath from their pick?

Josh Watts I think.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Yes I know it could be seen as trolling, yes I know some things I said weren't suited given it is your board. But I did come here to joke that crisp was number one after seeing a Collingwood poster ask where crisp would be and you all came at me like an angry pack of wolves and I am a collingwood supporter after all, I am use to the hate.
I have a very good understanding of the players on your list, I've watched at least half of your games. i would say the main bulk of talent on your list is in the 23-27 age bracket rather than the 18-22... Would you agree with that ? Or is that deemed trolling also.

I think the short answer is that if the bulk of our talent was in the 23-27 range we wouldn't be sitting bottom. We have a few notables in that range but it is no secret that we have had to replace those young players who left as well as a somewhat ageing list and as a consequence we have 17 players on the list who are under 20. Who's to say whether players in that bracket will be successful or not but it is what it is. We are probably the third youngest list in the league on paper, and close to the youngest in terms of who we have managed to put on the field from week to week.

 

[a mayes ing]

Didn't look at Beams a huge amount when he was at Collingwood but surely Beams has improved more than when he was playing at Collingwood.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Didn't look at Beams a huge amount when he was at Collingwood but surely Beams has improved more than when he was playing at Collingwood.

He was excellent at Collingwood as well. B&F winner in his fourth year.

 

[nahnah]

Look at his 2012 stats, probably the second or third best player that year

 

[askdotcom]

Look at his 2012 stats, probably the second or third best player that year

nahnah yeh your probably right

 

[POBT]

Look at his 2012 stats, probably the second or third best player that year

At least you aren't bitter...