Prediction Changes and Pre Match Discussion vs Western Bulldogs R15 @Optus.

[Eagle Wrath]

No.

He's a Beagle now.

I think so too.

 

[Balls In]

The other unfashionable one is Vardy who has underwelmed for 2 years. However when he peaked at the end of 2018 was a better ruck than Lycett. Was his poor form due to his body etc? I've watched him closely and he has been building. Moreover IMO playing Allen second fiddle to Nic is silly business. Allen is a poor ruck and too valuable. Expecting Nic to ruck untold minutes is also at risk of our most important asset. Vardy was directly head to head against Bailey on the weekend and wiped to floor with him.

 

[Coasters7]

Cant trust Hutch enough to get through full games without pinging something anymore (to be fair Shuey is the same but that’s clearly an entirely different scenario). Plus I thing the days of a designated tagger are fading. Some might argue Matt De Boer but he impacted the game just as much for his own side as he did stopping Walsh. I don’t see Hutch ever providing that sort of impact unfortunately. We’re better off getting Redden or Nelson to run with someone.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The other unfashionable one is Vardy who has underwelmed for 2 years. However when he peaked at the end of 2018 was a better ruck than Lycett. Was his poor form due to his body etc? I've watched him closely and he has been building. Moreover IMO playing Allen second fiddle to Nic is silly business. Allen is a poor ruck and too valuable. Expecting Nic to ruck untold minutes is also at risk of our most important asset. Vardy was directly head to head against Bailey on the weekend and wiped to floor with him.

This was never true.

 

[WCErevival]

The other unfashionable one is Vardy who has underwelmed for 2 years. However when he peaked at the end of 2018 was a better ruck than Lycett. Was his poor form due to his body etc? I've watched him closely and he has been building. Moreover IMO playing Allen second fiddle to Nic is silly business. Allen is a poor ruck and too valuable. Expecting Nic to ruck untold minutes is also at risk of our most important asset. Vardy was directly head to head against Bailey on the weekend and wiped to floor with him.

There isn't a single statistic in 2018 where Vardy was better than Lycett.

 

[Karim Abdul Yeo]

Following the WAFL game

In: Shuey, McGovern, Shep
Out: Jones, Hedwards, Nelson (all unlucky)

Backs: Barrass, Gov, Rotham, Shep, Hurn, Cole, Foley
Mids: Sheed, Redden, Gaff, Duggan, Yeo, Ledwards
Rucks: Naitanui, Allen
Forwards: Kennedy, Darling, Waterman, Ryan, Cripps, Langdon, Shuey
Sub: Nelson or Jones
Emergencies: Jones or Nelson, Hedwards, Ah Chee

Give Kelly an extra week, we can’t bring in too many underdone guys at the same time.

Shuey replaces Jones and job-shares mid rotations with Yeo and Ledwards. I’d prefer Jones to Langdon but I think the match committee will go the other way, especially since we’ll need Langdon’s tank.

Allen to ruck again, unfortunately.

Backline looks top heavy but I don’t know who else comes out for Shep. Rotham is playing too well.

Miguel Sanchez to be sidelined for 4 weeks for a self-inflicted uppercut. Hope you come back stronger and better. Put an Ice on it.

 

[Balls In]

Covid sucks balls!

This is incorrect

 

[Doashuey]

There isn't a single statistic in 2018 where Vardy was better than Lycett.

Grandfinal goals?

 

[Karim Abdul Yeo]

There isn't a single statistic in 2018 where Vardy was better than Lycett.

Just a GF stats alone. Vardy wins on meters gained, clearances, Tackles, Marks, Disposals and Goals. same TOG%. I am not a die hard Vardy Fan just to be clear( as I can tell it appears I am ) but Iam just trying to be obejctive and asses him fairly. So when you say not a single statistic available, you need hold back on that comment to be honest.It is also fair to add that apart from Hit outs he matched up pretty well against a full-time AA Grundy.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Riley Garcia flew out with the team today so he might play against you guy’s. Seen a few west coast posters that are interested in him

 

[WCErevival]

Just a GF stats alone. Vardy wins on meters gained, clearances, Tackles, Marks, Disposals and Goals. same TOG%. I am not a die hard Vardy Fan just to be clear( as I can tell it appears I am ) but Iam just trying to be obejctive and asses him fairly. So when you say not a single statistic available, you need hold back on that comment to be honest.It is also fair to add that apart from Hit outs he matched up pretty well against a full-time AA Grundy.

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We all know he played well in the GF but there was more than one game in 2018.

 

[Dylan82]

Going to be some serious selection headaches over the coming week with so many players now returning from injury.

The weather forecast is also looking pretty grim, so that will likely be a factor in making selections also.




Presuming that McGovern and Kelly are given the all-clear to play, then I would actually consider making six changes to the team that defeated Richmond.


In: Shuey, Kelly, Witherden, Sheppard, McGovern, Hutchings
Out: Foley, Nelson, Rotham, Waterman, Cole, H.Edwards

Each of those omissions are exceptionally unlucky, as they have been playing well - it is just a ridiculously good set of players coming in.


Hutchings comes in specifically to tag Liberatore out of the game.

L.Edwards moves back into defence, having rotational shifts through the midfield.

Allen to again take secondary ruck duties up the ground, with Darling taking them inside attacking fifty.

Langdon to continue his defensive running in the neo-Masten role.

Yeo, Shuey and Kelly to rotate through the forward line as part of the management of their time on ground.

 

[bzparkes]

Going to be some serious selection headaches over the coming week with so many players now returning from injury.

The weather forecast is also looking pretty grim, so that will likely be a factor in making selections also.

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Presuming that McGovern and Kelly are given the all-clear to play, then I would actually consider making six changes to the team that defeated Richmond.


In: Shuey, Kelly, Witherden, Sheppard, McGovern, Hutchings
Out: Foley, Nelson, Rotham, Waterman, Cole, H.Edwards

Each of those omissions are exceptionally unlucky, as they have been playing well - it is just a ridiculously good set of players coming in.


Hutchings comes in specifically to tag Liberatore out of the game.

L.Edwards moves back into defence, having rotational shifts through the midfield.

Allen to again take secondary ruck duties up the ground, with Darling taking them inside attacking fifty.

Langdon to continue his defensive running in the neo-Masten role.

Yeo, Shuey and Kelly to rotate through the forward line as part of the management of their time on ground.

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Not convinced we're dropping 5 defenders to bring in 3. Would rather have Nelson tag Liberatore, as he can go back and defend if need be. Hutchings is a liability if he can't tag.

Would rather just lose that Masten role altogether and have Shuey replace Langdon/Jones. Wouldn't really want L.Edwards playing defence either, I'd rather Foley/Cole/Rotham stay in.

Nice to have a dilemma at selection though, instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel.

 

[omgfridge]

Surprised by the calls for Rotham out. He's been one of our most consistent players, I don't think it being a little wet justifies dropping him when I feel he's clearly become best 22.

 

[Dark Sharks]

After being in my room at Pullmans and sitting through that painful match at the start of the year in March...


Watching these pricks throw the ball around for 3 hours, Luke Darcy screaming NAUUUUUGHHHHTOOOON, and Cripps kicking into the man on the mark from 10m out, i was pretty wild.

I said at the time "CANNOT WAIT FOR YOU CAMPAIGNERS TO COME TO WA", and now it's here.

 

[MrWoollie]

Just a GF stats alone. Vardy wins on meters gained, clearances, Tackles, Marks, Disposals and Goals. same TOG%. I am not a die hard Vardy Fan just to be clear( as I can tell it appears I am ) but Iam just trying to be obejctive and asses him fairly. So when you say not a single statistic available, you need hold back on that comment to be honest.It is also fair to add that apart from Hit outs he matched up pretty well against a full-time AA Grundy.

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You're basically making everyone else's case for them rather than making a case for Vardy. The 2018 GF was, though not statistically his greatest Eagle game, certainly close to it and easily his most influential/important.

Basing every Vardy argument on this one influential performance is unsustainable as there is no evidence to back up any argument that he is currently worthy of a spot in the team, or has been in over two years.

He had a good 2018 GF. He gets a GF premiers medal and forever beers from WC fans. He also gets a free pass for a few subsequent mediocre performances.
But that particular free pass has been well and truly cashed. Quite a few times.
With the emergence of Oscar Allen as a tall forward there is no space for him as the second ruck/3rd tall forward. There is no space for him in the team with JK, JD, OA, Brander, Waterman and Williams upright and breathing. Unless we are down to 22 fit list players (and we were close to that) he is a Beagle.

 

[wce4premiership]

Surely Lycett is in this week?

2018 grand final aside, he is better than Vardy.

 

[FKASC]

Sucks that it’s going to rain. Suits the chuckers

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Few melts over on the Dogs board at the moment, a couple really suggesting resting a stack of players. Won’t happen but would take it, fix our percentage right up.

 

[Karim Abdul Yeo]

You're basically making everyone else's case for them rather than making a case for Vardy. The 2018 GF was, though not statistically his greatest Eagle game, certainly close to it and easily his most influential/important.

Basing every Vardy argument on this one influential performance is unsustainable as there is no evidence to back up any argument that he is currently worthy of a spot in the team, or has been in over two years.

He had a good 2018 GF. He gets a GF premiers medal and forever beers from WC fans. He also gets a free pass for a few subsequent mediocre performances.
But that particular free pass has been well and truly cashed. Quite a few times.
With the emergence of Oscar Allen as a tall forward there is no space for him as the second ruck/3rd tall forward. There is no space for him in the team with JK, JD, OA, Brander, Waterman and Williams upright and breathing. Unless we are down to 22 fit list players (and we were close to that) he is a Beagle.

100% agree he is at best a cover and will not make best 22 if fit. Allen to pinch-hit as a second ruck is another discussion altogether but I agree that if all fir he wont make it to 22. If we decide to go two established ruck man that is when he actually is part of the discussion. Vardy is also 2 years younger than NN.

 

[Karim Abdul Yeo]

I am not sure bringing 4 players undone is a good idea. we tried that with two in Hurn and Ryan against Essendon and got punished also bad luck injuries to TK and Oscar and Yeo first game back.

No doubt Shey comes back in. 70% fit Shuey is better than our entire B team and most of our starting mids. Gov can wait to be honest, Harry is holding his own. Shep is a lock. Kelly is an interesting one. I have never seen him get injured before so it would be interesting to see how he plays after a setback.

For me I would like to see Wtherden and Hurn in a side together but not sure who goes out. Perhaps Cole and Nelson goes out for Shep.

Shep, Shuey, Kelly and Witherden In. Out goes Cole, Nelson, Waterman and Priddis.

 

[swingdog]

I am not sure bringing 4 players undone is a good idea. we tried that with two in Hurn and Ryan against Essendon and got punished also bad luck injuries to TK and Oscar and Yeo first game back.

No doubt Shey comes back in. 70% fit Shuey is better than our entire B team and most of our starting mids. Gov can wait to be honest, Harry is holding his own. Shep is a lock. Kelly is an interesting one. I have never seen him get injured before so it would be interesting to see how he plays after a setback.

For me I would like to see Wtherden and Hurn in a side together but not sure who goes out. Perhaps Cole and Nelson goes out for Shep.

Shep, Shuey, Kelly and Witherden In. Out goes Cole, Nelson, Waterman and Priddis.

Agree about staggering the comebacks - I'd go with Shuey and Shep as the only changes. Give Kelly another week and ideally a run in the 2s.

 

[Cuzz09]

if its wet is it worth leaving Gov out again.

Also agree on not too many changes.



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[shooshka]

I am not sure bringing 4 players undone is a good idea. we tried that with two in Hurn and Ryan against Essendon and got punished also bad luck injuries to TK and Oscar and Yeo first game back.

No doubt Shey comes back in. 70% fit Shuey is better than our entire B team and most of our starting mids. Gov can wait to be honest, Harry is holding his own. Shep is a lock. Kelly is an interesting one. I have never seen him get injured before so it would be interesting to see how he plays after a setback.

For me I would like to see Wtherden and Hurn in a side together but not sure who goes out. Perhaps Cole and Nelson goes out for Shep.

Shep, Shuey, Kelly and Witherden In. Out goes Cole, Nelson, Waterman and Priddis.

Shep shouldn't be underdone - he has missed only 3 weeks (and 1 game).

Kelly, he will have lost a little - but again it has only been about a month and he has been running for 2 weeks of that.

Gov and Shuey will be underdone. (some may argue that is Gov's perpetual state!). The risk you pose is still there with 2 underdone players - but not as extreme as having 4 underdone players. Additionally, Yeo and Ryan are now getting up to speed - and if we don't play a 50-60% TOG dedicated 2nd ruck we should be OK.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Shuey is a certainty.

Kelly and Sheppard haven't missed much footy, Kelly was injured May 29, will be 4 weeks missed if he comes back this week, as long as his knee is fine, he should be good to go, his fitness won't have been that impacted.

McGovern has basically played 5 quarters of football since mid april, would want to be certain he's ok if going to bring him in. If they play Schache in place of Naughton, then sure, let him sit on that spud.