Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - GRAND FINAL vs. Brisbane MCG, 2:30pm Sat 30/09

[eddiesmith]

+ horrible in finals mostly

I was going to add that but he’s had some bags in finals, mostly in wins of course so probably junk time goals.

But he was shocking tonight and even missed the easy junk time goals.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Howe has been back to near his best of late, I wouldn’t want to mess with things by playing him forward.

 

[jathanas]

We are developing a habit of playing our nemisis in Grand Finals. The last 3 forms a trend. 2011 it was Geelong, 2018 the Eagles and now 2023 the Lions. Lost all H&A games in these years and finals up until now. We never get the "easy kill" do we? Always so ******* hard. I really don't know how we turn around a 6 goal and 4 goal loss. I hope McFly has a strategy or maybe just a couple of Aces up the sleeve somewhere!

The Bears are a good side who have earned respect, as are GWS.

Don't fear them.

This Pie group march to the beat of their own drum. I'm certain they don't feel any dread about facing the Bears in the GF next week; or any other side.

 

[KinderSmock]

This is an opportunity for a number of players to create a legacy of their career.

Cox - probably playing for the most here. First American to win a premiership. Would be huge for him, his podcast and the game
Daicos and Daicos - continue the legacy of their father
Ginni - the scandal and the drama could all be hushed if he wins a flag
Pendles and Sidey - dual premiership winners, the former to go down as one of the greatest
De Goey - redemption.
Moore - legacy.
Maynard - After Sheed and the Brayshaw drama, something to go his way.

There would be more out there as every player who wins a flag leaves a legacy. But these are the ones who stand out.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Howe has been back to near his best of late, I wouldn’t want to mess with things by playing him forward.

Tell me you’re a Kreuger man then, and not someone who wants to kick long to Ginnivan please!

 

[manicpie]

Here is my current scenario. WHE will play forward and I think they might bite the bullet and start Frampton in defence. I would prefer we went with freddy just to cause as much havoc as possible up forward and his ground ball game is far superior to Frampton 's

 

[KinderSmock]

The Bears are a good side who have earned respect as are GWS.

Don't fear them.

This Pie group march to the beat of their own drum. I'm certain they don't feel any dread about facing the Bears in the GF next week; or any other side.

With all the efforts to honour the Fitzroy heritage, I'm surprised they don't honour the Bears more.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Tell me you’re a Kreuger man then, and not someone who wants to kick long to Ginnivan please!

Mase to ruck the first five minutes of every quarter and then spend the rest of the game clunk clunk clunking them 30 out straight in front.

 

[mumblingpie]

Thoughts on Cox at Full Fwd?

 

[Aussie pie]

So I’m for not changing our backs at all, they are a well drilled machine. As for Dan, it’s like for like that’s why Krueger comes in for me. His latter season form in the VFL was good and to be honest Billy is not a forward he’s a back/ruck, Freddy can play the spot like McStay. I don’t think Lipinski will be dropped if Adams is not fit but I’d actually bring in Fin for Lipinski but I’m fan of Fin so maybe I’m biased. Let’s face it I could play a better game than Lipinski did last night.

 

[TradeDraft]

Pies $1.70, Lions $2.10.
4.5 point line. I’d take a 4 point win!

I take a 1 point win

 

[LuckyLee]

Howe has been back to near his best of late, I wouldn’t want to mess with things by playing him forward.

We’ve got to “mess with things”.

We’ve just lost one of our two key tall forwards and with AJ also injured, have no Finals-worthy replacements. And we’ll need to kick at least 12 goals to win.

But we DO have a proven tall defender (Frampton) who can be brought in and a proven swingman in Howe who we can move forward.

Surely that’s better than bringing in Krueger or McInnes as replacements, who will likely have to be subbed out for having no impact?


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[magpies42]

Big O and Neale looked a bit beat up.

They will both play and be fine, interesting to see how Neales tackling goes. The big one I feel is Zorko, right in the groin.

Might tempt us to play Adam’s.

 

[live fast pieyoung]

There is no path to victory that doesnt involve JDG leading the way. Career defining game.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

We are developing a habit of playing our nemisis in Grand Finals. The last 3 forms a trend. 2011 it was Geelong, 2018 the Eagles and now 2023 the Lions. Lost all H&A games in these years and finals up until now. We never get the "easy kill" do we? Always so ******* hard. I really don't know how we turn around a 6 goal and 4 goal loss. I hope McFly has a strategy or maybe just a couple of Aces up the sleeve somewhere!

You…you do know both teams start the game at zero yeah?

 

[Prexm]

We’ve got to “mess with things”.

We’ve just lost one our our two key tall forwards and with AJ also injured, have no Finals-worthy replacements.

But we DO have a proven tall defender (Frampton) who can be brought in and a proven swingman in Howe who we can move forward.

Surely that’s better than bringing in Krueger or McInnes as replacements, who will likely have to be subbed out for having no impact?


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Don’t think I would be referring to Frampton as a proven tall defender. Not sure what will happen with the forward line but the backs won’t be changed.

 

[OniAu]

There is no path to victory that doesnt involve JDG leading the way. Career defining game.

This, for us to win , he will need to win the norm smith. Feel hes capable

 

[magpies42]

So I’m for not changing our backs at all, they are a well drilled machine. As for Dan, it’s like for like that’s why Krueger comes in for me. His latter season form in the VFL was good and to be honest Billy is not a forward he’s a back/ruck, Freddy can play the spot like McStay. I don’t think Lipinski will be dropped if Adams is not fit but I’d actually bring in Fin for Lipinski but I’m fan of Fin so maybe I’m biased. Let’s face it I could play a better game than Lipinski did last night.

Agree with not changing the backs but you do need an option to add some extra height in Defence if required. Frampton in for me.

Krueger is not like for like with any one that plays regular football. He can’t see out a game without getting injured and has shown nothing. Unlucky but that’s reality, the coaches won’t pick him.

 

[LuckyLee]

There is no path to victory that doesnt involve JDG leading the way. Career defining game.

Fear not! JDG will not only play just as well as he did last night but will kick a couple of goals too.


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[Frankie23]

It’s annoying as they have been hitting their straps as a ruck duo, but one of Cox or Cameron need to play forward to replace McStay.

In Adams
Out McStay

Bit of dirty ball forward might be our friend.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

I don't think I'd play Ginnivan against the Lions. Doesn't work hard enough defensively and isn't switched on enough to stop their chip mark game. WHE forward as he has the workrate

 

[gouki88]

I don't think I'd play Ginnivan against the Lions. Doesn't work hard enough defensively and isn't switched on enough to stop their chip mark game. WHE forward as he has the workrate

Seems like a myth that Ginnivan doesn't work hard defensively, despite your routine perpetuating of it. He works hard and is often in the right spots at the right time

 

[DopeMaster]

Krueger in for McStay
Ginni for Lippa
Noble Sub

 

[leon123]

So how many will be calling McRae a VFL coach this week?

Be careful, he will want to meet up with you for some fisty cuffs, absolute flog of a bloke

 

[sr36]

Frampton can play fwd , back and Ruck he’s the best versatility we have, and prefect in these circumstances.

We don't need someone who is versatile. We need a forward and Billy looked completely at sea when they tried him there. Having been tried and struggled in a position, doesn't make you a versatile player for that position.