Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - QF vs. Melbourne, MCG, Thurs 07/09, 7:20pm

[Cousin of Daicos]

I don't understand why Mihocek can't just sacrifice his game for 1 week and play a defensive role on May?

Between McStay, Elliott, McCreery, Hill and Ginnivan there's plenty of firepower down there.

 

[gouki88]

That’s going to make very little difference in the grand scheme of things as to whether the qf is on a Thursday or a Friday

I know - which makes the other negatives of Thursday amplified

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I know - which makes the other negatives of Thursday amplified

There aren’t any apart from some whingers who can’t get off work at 5 pm

 

[magpies77]

yeah, agree. they'd only do it if we needed an extra different tall up there.

But its a handy lever they know they can pull if needed to at any stage

I see what you did there

 

[Gaben]

I personally don't think we'll see Howe line up in the forward line again for as long as Cox is in the side. And if he does I suspect it'd only be after Cox is subbed off.

For as long as Cox and Cameron are in the side, agree 100%. I still think there's a slim chance we go with just Cox as our main ruck, and in that case, Howe could definitely end up forward with McStay pinch-hitting. Although I think the likelihood of it happening is very small, even though Cameron has been poor for weeks now.

 

[Capital Magpie]

He kicked three goals on the weekend.

Three goals 35 disposals 5 marks … and “only” 21 hit outs indicating he didn’t ruck all day

But at least one of his 3 goals was directly from a ruck contest, so he still hasn't mastered any forward craft.

 

[Jen2310]

As per bucks.

Buckley believes Cox must be picked as Darcy Cameron

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and Dan McStay aren’t dominating in their respective roles on top of the American’s reputation as a proven finals performer.

“Yeah, he will (remain in the team),” Buckley said on SEN Breakfast.

“He will (be picked) on the basis of a couple of standout finals performances.

“That might be an opportunity. The fact that he's done it before, I think you do it.

“The other reason is because neither Darcy Cameron

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or Dan McStay are in ripping form and because they're not in ripping form, you can't rely on one or the other.

“There are a few question marks there, but I think that Darcy Cameron

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hasn't been in great form.

“So, I think you need Mason Cox

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there to cover that and I think Darcy Cameron

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allows Mason Cox

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to go forward and maybe do his thing.

“It's a fair question because there's still some decisions to be made.”


With Darcy Moore

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and Nathan Murphy

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returning from injury and Beau McCreery being available after a one-week suspension, Buckley believes that trio will return to the side with Nick Daicos still another week away from returning from a knee injury.

Buckley expects Fin Macrae to lose his spot as sub with Billy Frampton

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coming out of the side for captain Moore.

He expects there to be one other change which will have to be made to make room for Murphy.

“We're assuming Moore, Murphy and McCreery will come back in and Daicos doesn't,” Buckley said.

“I think Frampton for Moore is easy. I think Murphy is interesting because I think the sub will be out of (Oleg) Markov, Ginnivan or McCreery, I think they're the three for the sub.

“Maybe Hoskin-Elliott, although Will was one of the few Collingwood players that played a good four-quarter game and looked on top of ground.”\

Nathan Buckley tips Mason Cox to hold his spot in Collingwood’s best 22 for finals

“I think you need Mason Cox there.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Harry O]

Key to beating Melbourne is to match their hardness at contests generally and to beat or match them at clearances specifically
If Gawn Viney Petracca Brayshaw and Oliver dominate clearances and field position we will struggle to move the ball effectively in to our forward half

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

But at least one of his 3 goals was directly from a ruck contest, so he still hasn't mastered any forward craft.

I’d prefer they picked McDonald tbh.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

For as long as Cox and Cameron are in the side, agree 100%. I still think there's a slim chance we go with just Cox as our main ruck, and in that case, Howe could definitely end up forward with McStay pinch-hitting. Although I think the likelihood of it happening is very small, even though Cameron has been poor for weeks now.

Probably right but if Cameron puts in another mediocre game this debate will roll through to the next match.

Cameron hasn’t been terrible though, just so-so

 

[stormskye]

As per bucks.

Nathan Buckley tips Mason Cox to hold his spot in Collingwood’s best 22 for finals

“I think you need Mason Cox there.”

www.sen.com.au

Bar fri night mcstay has been excellent, disagree with bucks on this one. Averaging 2 goals a game and doing everything we wanted him to do. He had a quiet one fri sure.

 

[Jen2310]

Bar fri night mcstay has been excellent, disagree with bucks on this one. Averaging 2 goals a game and doing everything we wanted him to do. He had a quiet one fri sure.

Agreed. One quiet game. it happens. Checkers was quiet for 6 weeks.

 

[sr36]

I don't understand why Mihocek can't just sacrifice his game for 1 week and play a defensive role on May?

Between McStay, Elliott, McCreery, Hill and Ginnivan there's plenty of firepower down there.

I agree in theory particularly as he's a former defender, but the concern is that he's never made it work. Particularly at half forward, guys like MacGovern, May, Weitering have always taken him to the cleaners and had a big impact. When he tries to separate them from the other forwards, they just zone off and when it's a one on one, he gets beaten. So the option you're left with is a pack at half forward with both May and Checkers in it, which isn't what we want either

 

[shizzle]

Bar fri night mcstay has been excellent, disagree with bucks on this one. Averaging 2 goals a game and doing everything we wanted him to do. He had a quiet one fri sure.

Whose averaging 2 goals per game? McStay has 16 from 12 games. Really worth that long term deal huh? He's going worse than last year...

 

[Eric Shin]

I wonder if the Dees will have the Collingwood chant blasting out of the P.A. system


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[Big Bryza]

Sub?

Na, what if we copped an injury in the first minute of the game.

At this stage, he'll be ready to roll for our 2nd final, let's hope it's the prelim.

 

[Big Bryza]

Thursday thing is annoying but I'll still be going. Surprised we're favourites going by how some of the media are writing us off

Thursday isn't ideal for anyone.

But, i think we are best just embracing it and hopefully Friday work with minimal sleep is worth it.

95k... it's going to be a belter. GF preview imo.

 

[stormskye]

Who’s averaging 2 goals per game? McStay has 16 from 12 games. Really worth that long term deal huh? He's going worse than last year...

His form since returning from 3 months off has been good.

 

[Big Bryza]

tmac would come in over Grundy IMO

Good, T Mac will be a liability for them.

 

[Maggie5]

So on KB we didn't have JDG, Sidey, Howe, Elliott, Ginni and McStay right or wrong?

They were missing Oliver?

 

[Mick F]

Mason Cox also confirmed it on his Podcast after that game. Fly was the only one denied it, but more so he wasn't using it as an excuse.

Only soft c**ks use it as an excuse. Like blaming umpires - embarrassing.

 

[unplugged]

Only soft c**ks use it as an excuse. Like blaming umpires - embarrassing.

You ever played a game of footy with the flu?

 

[Big Bryza]

With Murphy and Moore back, does Howe go forward again to man Lever zoning off?

His first half against Bris really nullified Harris Andrews.

Howe's game against Brisbane has been overrated.

He essentially tried to play 20-30m behind Andrews who gave him little to no respect. The issue was that Howe never went near the pill himself. If he's to play forward then it has to be similar to the final term v Carlton. He was reacting quickly and charging at the ball. There's no use sagging off your man, if he wants nothing to do with you.

The bloke that has been the most influential defensive forward in the comp this season is, Jake Melksham. Who we don't have to worry about due to his injury. I have no doubt he would've sought out a match up with Darcy Moore. He's a big loss to the Dees forward line. I want Moore to go to Van Rooyen and give him an old fashioned hiding.

 

[Big Bryza]

I would use Howe up forward against Melbourne's back 6. Mihocek struggled mightily last time

No McStay or Elliott last time. Far different proposition this time.

 

[Big Bryza]

One way to counteract Lever and May is not to kick it to them.
We need to lower the eyes going I50 to pick out players either leading or on their own, rather than long bombs.
Tay's kick to Pendles in the first quarter on Friday is an example.

I've had flashbacks to this years KB game where we continuously turned the ball over 60-80m from goal, time and time again.

The past 6 weeks we've been very content with kicking long down the line. Where has our dare by foot gone? I want to see us switching that mother fcuker across and through the middle of the ground as much as possible. Get Froffies May and Jake the Snake out of position as often as possible.