Preview Changes: R5 2021 vs Fremantle

[Betts are off]

7th in pressure acts as well. He's had a pretty good start to his career, seeing he's shown a bit offensively as well.

Yep, the kid shows plenty, I really want to see him hold his spot for as long as possible. But think that style of game may wear him down by mid season.

Hopefully by then Pedlar has built up some momentum and fitness and can spell him.

 

[Dangarman]

Especially when 2 of those wins were against teams that have won a total of 1 game (out of a possible 8) between them.

R1 - Defeated Geelong, last year's runner up. Games not against us, they defeated Haw and Brisbane, and lost to undefeated Melbourne.
R2 - Lost to Sydney, who haven't lost to anyone.
R3 - Defeated GC, who have the 1 win (against North) you refer to. Lost to WC away by 25 and to Carl by 11.
R4 - Defeated North, albeit in less than convincing fashion, and as Nicksy said, we have a lot to work on.

Sloane, Crouch and Talia still to come back in.
My glass is about 40% full.

 

[moogerfooger]

It's in part why we almost lost to the worst team ever to take the field at AFL level

Whoa there big fella. AFC 2020 has something to say about that.

 

[Jarman3]

R1 - Defeated Geelong, last year's runner up. Games not against us, they defeated Haw and Brisbane, and lost to undefeated Melbourne.
R2 - Lost to Sydney, who haven't lost to anyone.
R3 - Defeated GC, who have the 1 win (against North) you refer to. Lost to WC away by 25 and to Carl by 11.
R4 - Defeated North, albeit in less than convincing fashion, and as Nicksy said, we have a lot to work on.

Sloane, Crouch and Talia still to come back in.
My glass is about 40% full.

Oh, absolutely - I'm not knocking how we're going, we're playing better than I had dared to hope at the start of the year, especially after getting thoroughly rogered by Port in both preseason games. But I also don't want to lose sight of where we sit in the bigger picture and the fact that this is a development year and should be treated as such by the club. It should be about getting as many games into as many of our younger players as possible and see what they've got. The fact they've won a few games and been competitive in the one we lost is a huge tick for me, regardless of who those wins come against. And if we can upset Port's apple cart in a couple of weeks, I'd be ecstatic, not just because it's Port but because we've knocked off a contender.

If we get to the back end of the year and suddenly find Mackay is in the starting 22 and we're carrying injured / out of form senior players because we're picking an "experienced" side to chase those last few wins to maybe squeeze into 8th and get knocked out the first week... Well, I hope we won't see a situation like that, but I've seen it enough from this club in recent years that I won't trust them to make the right call until we actually get there and I see them make it.

 

[Vader]

This is exactly what I was trying to explain to you a couple weeks ago.

The game has changed.

The rule changes mean the ball is coming in with less heat and more speed. Less dirty ball coming in and forwards are getting to play 1 on 1 against their opponent rather than battling a flooded D50.

This can't be overstated.

Why do you think Tex is doing so well?

All tall forwards are thriving.

Why do you think Fogarty, also a lead up forward, won't thrive under the same changed conditions?

Tex is doing well for a number of reasons, and yes improved delivery is one of them. There's also the fact that he's going for marks with 2 hands this year. Also, how many of his goals have come from HTB free kicks he's earned by tackling? Tex works his arse off, and this year he's reaping the rewards.

Why don't I think Fog will thrive? Because Fog doesn't have Tex's work rate. Tex shone in the pre-season games we played against Port, while Fogarty was a complete non-factor. Why do you think this was so? I expect Fog to have more Port-like games than North-like games.

 

[Vader]

Would be interesting to see who holds the record for goals from 50m+

That I don't have stats for, and I doubt they'd have historic stats for it - given that the arc wasn't painted on the ground before 1986. You'd have to think that Tex would be fairly high on that list for players in the AFL era.

 

[Crow till I die]

Whoa there big fella. AFC 2020 has something to say about that.

so did Carlton 2015-2019

 

[Crow till I die]

That I don't have stats for, and I doubt they'd have historic stats for it - given that the arc wasn't painted on the ground before 1986. You'd have to think that Tex would be fairly high on that list for players in the AFL era.

Buddy Franklin?

 

[Vader]

Buddy Franklin?

He'd be up there too, but the typical Franklin goal is kicked from 40-50 out, whereas Walker's typical goal is from 50-55m. That said, Franklin has kicked a lot more goals than Walker, so I guess it would all add up.

 

[Jarman3]

Wait, 2 people being right in a BigFooty conversation at the same time?

Quantum boards are the way of the future.

 

[StonesThrow]

Tex is doing well for a number of reasons, and yes improved delivery is one of them. There's also the fact that he's going for marks with 2 hands this year. Also, how many of his goals have come from HTB free kicks he's earned by tackling? Tex works his arse off, and this year he's reaping the rewards.

Why don't I think Fog will thrive? Because Fog doesn't have Tex's work rate. Tex shone in the pre-season games we played against Port, while Fogarty was a complete non-factor. Why do you think this was so? I expect Fog to have more Port-like games than North-like games.

I just wanna point out that walker has still been doing his one handers this year.

It just doesn't stand out when he's getting so many two handers and is leading the Coleman.

 

[Ozzie]

They shouldn't even be in the same discussion on any level let alone kicking.

Exactly...look, my stated reasons for not thinking Fogarty will make has been verified by my eye test repeatedly. YES he is a great kick for goal, I'm not disputing that. However, he simply cannot take a pack mark CONSISTENTLY. He is an old fashioned leading full forward that has to have the ball in front of him to mark it on a lead. Then he kicks the goal.
What he DOESN"T do is to make a second or third effort when the ball is on the ground nor chase when defending. Last week I was astounded to see him actually bump Turner in the proper manner, to release Laird when needed. That is the first time I've seen him care about another player.
I just don't see a position for him. Today's forwards have to able to ruck at some stage. He can't. Not agile enough for the midfield to be a Cripps type. Players simply run around him.
To compare him to Lockett is a joke. Defenders were SCARED of Tony, he was an imposing man. He could do all of what Fogarty can't do as a forward.

 

[Vader]

Exactly...look, my stated reasons for not thinking Fogarty will make has been verified by my eye test repeatedly. YES he is a great kick for goal, I'm not disputing that. However, he simply cannot take a pack mark CONSISTENTLY. He is an old fashioned leading full forward that has to have the ball in front of him to mark it on a lead. Then he kicks the goal.
What he DOESN"T do is to make a second or third effort when the ball is on the ground nor chase when defending. Last week I was astounded to see him actually bump Turner in the proper manner, to release Laird when needed. That is the first time I've seen him care about another player.
I just don't see a position for him. Today's forwards have to able to ruck at some stage. He can't. Not agile enough for the midfield to be a Cripps type. Players simply run around him.
To compare him to Lockett is a joke. Defenders were SCARED of Tony, he was an imposing man. He could do all of what Fogarty can't do as a forward.

My only point of comparison between Lockett & Fogarty was their accuracy when kicking for goal. In no other way are they comparable.

I agree 100% with everything you've written here about Fogarty's shortcomings as a player.

 

[UcantCme]

We were too tall on the weekend so I think that we could drop frampton for a midfield option, probably Hately.
Lunch, tex, fog alone as talks could work well

If ROB goes down or needs a spell, who rucks?

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[Mutineer]

Exactly...look, my stated reasons for not thinking Fogarty will make has been verified by my eye test repeatedly. YES he is a great kick for goal, I'm not disputing that. However, he simply cannot take a pack mark CONSISTENTLY. He is an old fashioned leading full forward that has to have the ball in front of him to mark it on a lead. Then he kicks the goal.
What he DOESN"T do is to make a second or third effort when the ball is on the ground nor chase when defending. Last week I was astounded to see him actually bump Turner in the proper manner, to release Laird when needed. That is the first time I've seen him care about another player.
I just don't see a position for him. Today's forwards have to able to ruck at some stage. He can't. Not agile enough for the midfield to be a Cripps type. Players simply run around him.
To compare him to Lockett is a joke. Defenders were SCARED of Tony, he was an imposing man. He could do all of what Fogarty can't do as a forward.

No way should Fog even be mentioned in the same discussion as Tony at this point but he lacks nothing on the score of aggression. I'm yet to be convinced he's a long term midfield option but I see absolutely no problem in giving him a decent shot at proving himself in there, early days in that regard, there's plenty there to work with both as a forward and a mid so the next year or two will be interesting re his development....especially when Tex hangs up the boots.

 

[GROTTO]

R1 - Defeated Geelong, last year's runner up. Games not against us, they defeated Haw and Brisbane, and lost to undefeated Melbourne.
R2 - Lost to Sydney, who haven't lost to anyone.
R3 - Defeated GC, who have the 1 win (against North) you refer to. Lost to WC away by 25 and to Carl by 11.
R4 - Defeated North, albeit in less than convincing fashion, and as Nicksy said, we have a lot to work on.

Sloane, Crouch and Talia still to come back in.
My glass is about 40% full.

I would ignore Talia. He is cooked.

Crows need to plan for the future.

 

[GROTTO]

That I don't have stats for, and I doubt they'd have historic stats for it - given that the arc wasn't painted on the ground before 1986. You'd have to think that Tex would be fairly high on that list for players in the AFL era.

That was only for 25m out the arc? Correct or was it 50m back then?

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Whoa there big fella. AFC 2020 has something to say about that.

Yeah, and the Fitzroy team of '96 (1-21) and GWS of '13 (1-21) says Hi.

 

[GROTTO]

To compare him to Lockett is a joke. Defenders were SCARED of Tony, he was an imposing man. He could do all of what Fogarty can't do as a forward.

Lockett was huge compared to a lot of his opponents in his era, however, there would definitely be a lot less players in today 2021, that would be scared or intimidated of Lockett.

I would even argue if Fogary didnt have to strip weight, he would be bigger than Plugger.

 

[Ozzie]

No way should Fog even be mentioned in the same discussion as Tony at this point but he lacks nothing on the score of aggression. I'm yet to be convinced he's a long term midfield option but I see absolutely no problem in giving him a decent shot at proving himself in there, early days in that regard, there's plenty there to work with both as a forward and a mid so the next year or two will be interesting re his development....especially when Tex hangs up the boots.

I personally think he will get traded at the end of the year.

 

[fortunatecrow]

I just wanna point out that walker has still been doing his one handers this year.

I think we need to be a little careful with the "one-handed marking attempts" analysis.

At least some of those one-handers were because the ball had been kicked too high, he couldn't possibly mark it, so he was reaching to try to tap it down to a crumber.

 

[Mutineer]

I personally think he will get traded at the end of the year.

I'm not seeing it.

 

[Vader]

That was only for 25m out the arc? Correct or was it 50m back then?

According to the AFL website's list of rule changes:
https://www.afl.com.au/about-afl/history/rule-changes

1986
Fifty-metre arcs in goal areas introduced.
Video investigations for on-field misconduct introduced.

Before then I think the only markings on the ground were the goal squares, centre circle, and centre square. I don't remember seeing any 25m arcs painted on the ground in the video footage I've seen of those old games.

Maybe you should be addressing that question to some of the board's senior citizens (of whom there seem to be many, if the Generations thread is anything to go by.

 

[Ozzie]

Lockett was huge compared to a lot of his opponents in his era, however, there would definitely be a lot less players in today 2021, that would be scared or intimidated of Lockett.

I would even argue if Fogary didnt have to strip weight, he would be bigger than Plugger.

It was Tony's attitude that was so scary. I remember very clearly in the Crows first season, he was standing Rodney Maynard. Before the game started they shook hands and Tony said to Rodney, "Lets have a clean game Rodney, no dirty hits and we have a beer after the game. If you play dirty I'll put you in hospital." True story, straight from Rodney's mouth. No cameras in those days. 1 Umpire IIRC or might have been 2 at the most. Nowadays, cameras and 3 or 4 umpires.
Geez Fogarty would be even slower and less agile if he was larger. Big and slow doesn't work in today's game. Big and extremely mobile does.

 

[Ozzie]

I'm not seeing it.

To each his own opinion.