Preview Changes v Saints Rd 6

[True Dog]

I must be missing something with regards to Cordy, people are talking about his defensive pressure and what he brings to our set up (he did sweet FA).... Sure he is more mobile than Will & TC but Jong got more hit outs than him... He's in the side as a ruckman first and foremost and must give us a chance at the stoppages, he should be using his leap & mobility to cause headaches for the opposition and isn't doing either at the moment...

Anyone who thinks that either Minson or Campbell wouldn't have out performed Ayces output on Saturday are kidding themselves...

 

[Roscoe_au]

We need to beat the Saints. No point winning games we're not expected to, and then dropping the ones we should win.

Think Bevo will persist with Cordy. Got flogged in the middle against the Swans and had as many possessions as Pike, but we still won which is amazing really...simply defies what we all know about footy being won and lost in the midfield and a great ruck man is where it starts. Perhaps Grant Thomas had it right all along?

Cordy will be up against another young ruck man, so might be his last opportunity to see where he sits in the scheme of things.

This week Smith might get rested for Wallis if he trains okay.

Be interesting to see what the MC though of Biggs' return in the Reserves. He and Hunter might be a smokies for a call up.

 

[Mofra]

In: Minson
Out: Cordy

Surely the experiment has to end.

I'd love to get Biggs in the side somehow. We don't have anyone else in the 22 from Saturday who doesn't deserve a spot though.

 

[Roscoe_au]

I must be missing something with regards to Cordy, people are talking about his defensive pressure and what he brings to our set up (he did sweet FA).... Sure he is more mobile than Will & TC but Jong got more hit outs than him... He's in the side as a ruckman first and foremost and must give us a chance at the stoppages, he should be using his leap & mobility to cause headaches for the opposition and isn't doing either at the moment...

Anyone who thinks that either Minson or Campbell wouldn't have out performed Ayces output on Saturday are kidding themselves...

Unless you're the Coach who obviously sees something we don't.

 

[JTCWBFC]

Thinking about it some more, I think Ayce will get this week against the younger Ruck Combo and then Minson will be back to face Sandi

 

[Cori]

Cordy had a couple of defensive spoils and made some good decisions under pressure. He definitely sucks in the ruck contest and doesn't get enough of the ball but I am enjoying watching the experiment and I hope it continues.

 

[True Dog]

Unless you're the Coach who obviously sees something we don't.

Yeah but I'm betting he wants improvement and soon

 

[DognBones]

It seems sacrilege to question any of Bev's decisions because he certainly appears to have the midas touch at the present, but if Cordy is the best ruckman to suit his game plan then we are doomed to lose the ruck contest on a weekly basis. Perhaps Bev doesn't think this matters much but sooner or later it will have an impact that affects the result.
I agree that Cordy gets around the ground better than Will or Campbell but if he needs so much support to justify his place: Jong third man up, Rough doing increasingly more ruckwork and Boyd coming out of the forward line, then I can't see his worth.
Based on Bev's setup we may need to prioritise recruiting a more mobile ruckman who can at least break even in the ruck contest, in this year's drafts. Who would have thought that a few months ago?

 

[lachy]

In: Minson
Out: Cordy

Surely the experiment has to end.

I'd love to get Biggs in the side somehow. We don't have anyone else in the 22 from Saturday who doesn't deserve a spot though.

Mofra, its not an experiment and says more about where Minson sits than Cordy

 

[Roscoe_au]

Bevo is after guys that can play more than one position. I think its a liability to take a good centre square ruckman in that can't do much else.

Cordy has shown some pretty good defensive efforts and this is where Bevo is coming from IMO. Even our forwards are spending time in the middle and our backline are expected to leave their opponent and peel off through the middle.

 

[lachy]

It seems sacrilege to question any of Bev's decisions because he certainly appears to have the midas touch at the present, but if Cordy is the best ruckman to suit his game plan then we are doomed to lose the ruck contest on a weekly basis. Perhaps Bev doesn't think this matters much but sooner or later it will have an impact that affects the result.
I agree that Cordy gets around the ground better than Will or Campbell but if he needs so much support to justify his place: Jong third man up, Rough doing increasingly more ruckwork and Boyd coming out of the forward line, then I can't see his worth.
Based on Bev's setup we may need to prioritise recruiting a more mobile ruckman who can at least break even in the ruck contest, in this year's drafts. Who would have thought that a few months ago?

Your last quote appears spot on though not through the draft, more likely through a trade.

Interesting you talk about Cordy needing more support. It appears that it is this type of support in all facets of the game that appears to be one of Bev's coaching foundations

 

[Mofra]

Mofra, its not an experiment and says more about where Minson sits than Cordy

I've done my best to support Cordy this year but I'm firmly off the bandwagon now.
The stark difference between Roughy & Cordy on the ruck is enough for me - we're the only team in the competition who have a second and third ruck outperforming the first. Heck, Boyd was more effective in the ruck and I want him 100% in the F50

 

[ThirdLegUp]

It seems sacrilege to question any of Bev's decisions because he certainly appears to have the midas touch at the present, but if Cordy is the best ruckman to suit his game plan then we are doomed to lose the ruck contest on a weekly basis. Perhaps Bev doesn't think this matters much but sooner or later it will have an impact that affects the result.
I agree that Cordy gets around the ground better than Will or Campbell but if he needs so much support to justify his place: Jong third man up, Rough doing increasingly more ruckwork and Boyd coming out of the forward line, then I can't see his worth.
Based on Bev's setup we may need to prioritise recruiting a more mobile ruckman who can at least break even in the ruck contest, in this year's drafts. Who would have thought that a few months ago?

While i agree, practice makes perfect, perhaps Bev thinks tap rucking is not the hardest thing for a ruckman to learn, and i already get the impression he considers it an over rated stat.

The third man up is temp untill Ayce gets better, who knows. in all honesty, he only needs to improve marginally in the ruck to be at least competative. if he was to win at least a 3rd of taps it would be pretty good... at the moment he is only good enough to win a 10th of them... so pretty much useless, Jong gets more third manning.

He isn't that bad around the ground, and i have been a little impressed by his ability and willingness to go all rover and go the ground ball. Yesterdays game was beyond him though, the conditions were better suited to a stronger ruckman, minow, but would have cost us around the ground not to mention about half dozen stupid free kicks against, which you can't afford in a game like that.

I am trying to think like Bevo here, perhap he is playing the %'s... you have more chance of teaching cordy to ruck, then you do of getting minnow or campbell to suddenly devalope the fitness and agility of Ayce. Ayce just needs to learn, the other two need to change their bodies... not likely.

 

[lachy]

I've done my best to support Cordy this year but I'm firmly off the bandwagon now.
The stark difference between Roughy & Cordy on the ruck is enough for me - we're the only team in the competition who have a second and third ruck outperforming the first. Heck, Boyd was more effective in the ruck and I want him 100% in the F50

I don't disagree about Cordy, however with available evidence Beverage and his coaching philosophies do not include ruck hit out domination. Ruck must be able to play as ruck rovers and simply put neither Minson nor Campbell have shown this ability yet, Minson in particular exposed by mobile rucks moving forward and poor decision making in dangerous positions

 

[Igloo]

Cordy is a ruckman. Dude's gotta be able to ruck. When a guy like Jong is outperforming you in that role while being 10cm smaller, that's not a good thing.
I have a feeling he's going to stay in to run around with Hickey though.

 

[black pup]

I have know doubt Minson will replace Cordy, Cordy has been given his chance.
Minson in Cordy out. Everybody else will retain their spots and so they should.
Dale, Biggs and Hunter are knocking the door down to get in, plenty of pressure on for spots at the moment which is Great.
GO DOGGIES.

 

[Unorth]

A wet paper towel would put up more of a fight in the ruck than Cordy.

...But we're winning with him in. And Bevo's moves so far (M.Boyd to defence, Picken as straight up mid instead of a tagger, bringing Roberts in, bringing Clay straight back in etc) have all been pretty effective thus far. It's a conundrum for sure. Personally I feel Cordy should be dropped, you just can't play this terribly and continue to get games. But if Bevo truly feels that Cordy has to be in, then I say back the decision. Bevo sure knows a lot more about football than I do...He is a great coach, and based on what he's done so far, I feel he'll do what's best.

 

[Roscoe_au]

Grant come back after 2 goals in the Reserves?

Surely prefers the indoors and would be a difficult match up for the Saints backline.

 

[Roscoe_au]

Out: Smith (rested), Roberts (omitted)

In: Wallis, Biggs

Reserves: Grant, Hunter, Dale

Roberts hasn't done anything wrong, but I am looking at who he'd match up on. Their forward line is really mobile and a lot of their goals are likely to come through their mosquito fleet.

 

[DognBones]

The main problem I have always had with Cordy is his body. He does have skill and reasonable mobility but his lack of physical strength will always affect his ability to compete effectively in the ruck and to take strong grabs around the ground. If he could continue to develop physically I would support giving him more time but as he is now approaching 25 I think he will remain what he is.

 

[black pup]

I don't disagree about Cordy, however with available evidence Beverage and his coaching philosophies do not include ruck hit out domination. Ruck must be able to play as ruck rovers and simply put neither Minson nor Campbell have shown this ability yet, Minson in particular exposed by mobile rucks moving forward and poor decision making in dangerous positions

Minson poor defensively, does not go back and help out defensively,silly free kicks at stoppages, but you just cannot give any sides centre square advantage, on Saturday Cordy was handled like a rag doll, he is just not up to it.
I spoke to Simon Dalrymple at season end, club is quite aware they need ruckman, but nothing they wanted was available. That will be our number one aim at season end, Am sure of that.

 

[Sharkey66]

Cordy dropped for Wallis Roughy to ruck with Fletch to keep his spot in the backline.
This is the setup I want to see for the next few games then reassess.
Cordy has done his dash for mine, his position or ruck and if he cannot win his position we may as well just play another midfielder.

 

[Walsh Bay]

After a hard slog in the rain I wouldn't be surprised to see a few not quite come up...a couple of pairs of fresh legs might be needed against the Saints on the firm Docklands surface too.

 

[Roscoe_au]

After a hard slog in the rain I wouldn't be surprised to see a few not quite come up...a couple of pairs of fresh legs might be needed against the Saints on the firm Docklands surface too.

Don't disagree here. That's why I was asking about Grant coming back to add some pace.

 

[Mutt]

Perhaps Beveridge values contribution to the defensive press (and playing to instructions) more highly than hitouts to advantage. If that is the case, it is easy to see why Minson and Campbell are not playing seniors: both being slow lumbering types with little ability to contribute around the ground defensively.

That said, we looked much better around the stoppages when Roughead and Boyd were rucking in my opinion. Can Roughy give us what Beveridge is looking for and Roberts can play tall defender in Rougheads' place?