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Of course if you're at a stoppage and end up with the pill, you generally don't have much of an opportunity to tackle. He had a lot of it, would certainly be interested as to whether he missed many tackles. That could be what's keeping him out, but you would need to be looking at more than just stats.

As I just proved having read on and found he played a bit of an outside game this week with very few clearances.
 
Tough call this week.

For me Lyons in for Crouch, Wright as the sub.

I don't have an issue with Crouch, but he could work on his disposal. He's a ball magnet, don't get me wrong but I think we have to reward Lyons who's clearly in form. Unless he's said he's going home at the end of the year in which case make him the drinks boy.

Tend to agree. Crouch has shown he's hot what it takes and certainly isn't bring dropped. I'd be happy with wright going to the 2's as well, but if Lyons is in I want him to play a full game and 2 weeks as sub for crouch may not be ideal. Although, being a 1st year player off his first full footy pre-season it might actually be beneficial.
 

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Why are people suggesting we drop Crouch? Madness. Must pump games into him no matter what. And we aren't at the "no matter what" stage because he hasn't played a bad game yet.

He had a real impact with his clean hands even in limited playing time v Collingwood.

Crouch stays in with the odd sub appearance to freshen him up.
 
Lyons has been tearing it up in the SANFL but it's hard to pick someone to get the axe for him to come in. It'd be really harsh to axe Crouch when he played well in very limited game time.
 
And please, people, forget this 'doesn't deserved to be dropped,' or 'we had a good one, so reward the team and go unchanged,' - that's the mentality of an also ran.

How many premiership teams have dropped players on the verge of prelims and grand finals in recent years?

It's rarely because the player deserves to be dropped - it's because the successful teams are ruthless about playing their best side. If we had someone outside of the side who will improve us as a team, then bring him in - regardless of whether someone deserved to be dropped or not.
This bears repeating…we've been too soft for too long, especially for favourite clubmen who are just plodders but somehow keep getting picked time and again.

Let's hope last week was a sign of change.
 
And please, people, forget this 'doesn't deserved to be dropped,' or 'we had a good one, so reward the team and go unchanged,' - that's the mentality of an also ran.

How many premiership teams have dropped players on the verge of prelims and grand finals in recent years?

It's rarely because the player deserves to be dropped - it's because the successful teams are ruthless about playing their best side. If we had someone outside of the side who will improve us as a team, then bring him in - regardless of whether someone deserved to be dropped or not.
All well and good if you have someone that clearly improves the team. Is Lyons clearly an improvement over Wright at AFL standard?
 
All well and good if you have someone that clearly improves the team. Is Lyons clearly an improvement over Wright at AFL standard?
Unlike the Cameron for Petrenko decision which was a no-brainer, sometimes things aren't so clear but still worth pursuing.

It's possible Lyons dominance won't translate and his deficiencies may be magnified.

However, he has some qualities that tell me he could be even better than Wright and therefore worth a solid month in good roles to see how he develops.
 

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Lyons has been tearing it up in the SANFL but it's hard to pick someone to get the axe for him to come in. It'd be really harsh to axe Crouch when he played well in very limited game time.

Unfortunately it is a risk associated with wearing the vest

In the case of Crouch I also think the word "axe" is to strong, unless Sando is planning to start Bob this week I think he would be better served getting a full game in the sanfl rather then making him a sub for a consecutive week, as a young player he needs to be playing footy.....
 
While I'd love to squeeze Lyons in to the side I just don't think it's worth it unless we're playing him as a pure midfielder. I see him as the natural successor to Scott Thompson and I'm hoping we start managing Thommo's games as the season gets on and give Lyons a crack.
 
While I'd love to squeeze Lyons in to the side I just don't think it's worth it unless we're playing him as a pure midfielder. I see him as the natural successor to Scott Thompson and I'm hoping we start managing Thommo's games as the season gets on and give Lyons a crack.

Thompson has no plans to start having his game time managed and has set himself for this and next season and I'm pretty sure Lyon won't be prepared to sit around in the sanfl until 2016 for an opportunity
 
Thompson has no plans to start having his game time managed and has set himself for this and next season and I'm pretty sure Lyon won't be prepared to sit around in the sanfl until 2016 for an opportunity

We saw the results of thommo making his own call throughout 2013 where he was ordinary. If you're serious about challenging and getting past the first week of finals, then you need your best 22 fit and firing when it matters. If that results in thommo being rested for a few games, then that is what should happen.
 
While I'd love to squeeze Lyons in to the side I just don't think it's worth it unless we're playing him as a pure midfielder. I see him as the natural successor to Scott Thompson and I'm hoping we start managing Thommo's games as the season gets on and give Lyons a crack.

Managing Thommo's games?

He is back baby! He's fit and firing. He may not be the quickest, but he has the knack to find the pill (much like Lyons) but better

I really hope Lyons reads this thread to see what sort of support he's getting from our level!
 
Managing Thommo's games?

He is back baby! He's fit and firing. He may not be the quickest, but he has the knack to find the pill (much like Lyons) but better

I really hope Lyons reads this thread to see what sort of support he's getting from our level!
True but that's not to say he won't slow down toward the end of the year
 
We saw the results of thommo making his own call throughout 2013 where he was ordinary. If you're serious about challenging and getting past the first week of finals, then you need your best 22 fit and firing when it matters. If that results in thommo being rested for a few games, then that is what should happen.

Well reality is it won't happen
 
To me it's not a bullshit excuse

Glenn made some valid points, over the past two seasons we have been knee of the worse tackling sides in the comp which has translated into losses however with the introduction of players like Betts, M Crouch and now Charlie Cameron we have players which a natural instinctive tacklers and this then becomes infectious and ripples through the side....

With this in mind I'm with Glenn I want to preserve what we produced last night however I also believe that Lyon deserves his chance

So, it's just a massive coincidence that this week, his intensity and tackling become an issue?

Why wasn't that a problem last week? Dint recall anyone saying this was an issue before now?
 
So, it's just a massive coincidence that this week, his intensity and tackling become an issue?

Why wasn't that a problem last week? Dint recall anyone saying this was an issue before now?

His tackling was an issue because he only laid 1 this week. Now he may have laid many more over the past few weeks (and i would've missed it, as i didn't go looking at stats)

But we just had our best tackling and pressure game in many years. I don't want to bring someone in who may allow that level to drop. Lyons may not do that, but it was the point i was trying to make. It wasn't a problem last week because we were shit

The team has now given us a barometer for "exceptional" pressure. This needs to be the goal for the rest of the year whilst understanding that we can't hit that level every week (impossible)

We need at least "very good" pressure to compete most games and exceptional against the better teams

YTD our pressure has been "sub standard" to "good"
 
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