Changes vs Carlton

[alex_is_on_fire]

Lyons instead of Wright.... i could live with that. Lyons deserves a proper shot at it, but if we continue to play like we did last night, he'll have to have a few blinders to get a look in

Not wasting time in your first point.

Secondly, if his tackling and intensity isn't up to standard - as you were imploring in earlier posts, no he doesn't deserve that 'proper shot at it'

Thursday night should not matter as we have to have an eye in the bigger picture.

However, if you are happy to give him a go over Matthew wright, his tackling and intensity doesn't actually matter. All that it says is, you don't want him getting selected over crouch Jn.

So what is it - is his tackling and intensity not up to scratch or it doesn't really matter if he is selected to replace someone you approve of?

 

[completelyclean]

Lyons has been tearing it up in the SANFL but it's hard to pick someone to get the axe for him to come in. It'd be really harsh to axe Crouch when he played well in very limited game time.

So did Lyons when he was sub. Still got dropped.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Why are people suggesting we drop Crouch? Madness. Must pump games into him no matter what. And we aren't at the "no matter what" stage because he hasn't played a bad game yet.

He had a real impact with his clean hands even in limited playing time v Collingwood.

Crouch stays in with the odd sub appearance to freshen him up.

He should only be dropped if his number comes up in Sando sub lotto. He (no younger player) should be sub 2 weeks in a row.

If they feel he should be sub fir the Carlton game, it's possibly best he gets dropped and has a full SANFL game.

If he is to start on the ground, no need to drop him.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

So, it's just a massive coincidence that this week, his intensity and tackling become an issue?

Why wasn't that a problem last week? Dint recall anyone saying this was an issue before now?

Personally I have never rated Wright, IMO he is pedestrian, at times he does not work hard enough, he has no weapon that can be a real asset to our team and there are times in a game where he fails to take the responsibility and take the shot on goal

Is he in my best 22 "No", is he in your best 22 "probably "Yes" but you know what both our opinions do not matter because last week he was in Sando best 22, next week he might be again however whether he will be at end of year it's all up to Wright

 

[Glenno23]

Not wasting time in your first point.

Secondly, if his tackling and intensity isn't up to standard - as you were imploring in earlier posts, no he doesn't deserve that 'proper shot at it'

Thursday night should not matter as we have to have an eye in the bigger picture.

However, if you are happy to give him a go over Matthew wright, his tackling and intensity doesn't actually matter. All that it says is, you don't want him getting selected over crouch Jn.

So what is it - is his tackling and intensity not up to scratch or it doesn't really matter if he is selected to replace someone you approve of?

His tackling and intensity do matter. I could be completely wrong about it, as being in WA i don't get to see Lyons play. I can only see stats. And i saw stats for his most recent game

I don't want Crouch dropped, as frankly, i think he'll be a better footballer than Lyons and i would rather persist with him

But with Wright, i feel we have seen the best of him. 2012 was superb and if he'd play like that now, i'd be over the moon. But whilst Wright is better than last year, he still hasn't reached 2012 levels where a player of his calibre should be. Maybe Lyons could offer more than Wright? I'd be happy to find out, as i don't think we'd be any worse off NOW, and we get better info at Lyons with a good run at it

 

[1970crow]

Well reality is it won't happen

It's happening with truck, so it's a little foolish to state as a matter of fact that it will not be happening in 12 months time with thommo.

 

[completelyclean]

To put the issue to bed, when Lyons played round 1 against Geelong he laid 4 tackles in the quarter of footy he played. He laid a team high 6 last week too which backed the 5 he laid the previous week.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

So you drop Wright?

Yes, and it's nothing against Wright. He has been 'solid'. Same can be said for Laird upfield.

Now its Lyons turn to see if he can be more than solid.

I know people say we have won the clearances this but i still believe if we are going to challenge for finals we need to improve the 2nd string midfield line-up. How many finals have we lost in large part because we don't win the crucial clearances when it counts when teams get a run on. Thompson and Danger need a rest sometimes. That's where Lyons could come into his own as part of the support crew. I know defensive running is massive (and I've called out Thompson for this deficiency many times) and if Lyons fails in this area to the teams detriment then yes he should absolutely be dropped…lets just give him a bloody crack!!

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

His tackling was an issue because he only laid 1 this week. Now he may have laid many more over the past few weeks (and i would've missed it, as i didn't go looking at stats)

But we just had our best tackling and pressure game in many years. I don't want to bring someone in who may allow that level to drop. Lyons may not do that, but it was the point i was trying to make. It wasn't a problem last week because we were shit

The team has now given us a barometer for "exceptional" pressure. This needs to be the goal for the rest of the year whilst understanding that we can't hit that level every week (impossible)

We need at least "very good" pressure to compete most games and exceptional against the better teams

YTD our pressure has been "sub standard" to "good"

So, against Carlton - if someone only lays 1 or 2 tackles - you will be calling for them to be dropped?

Just for you - Jaensch and Martin only laid 4 tackles between them Thursday night. 2 each, do we drop them?

Don't see becoming head cheerleader to have them dropped fir nit tackling as well as everyone else.

 

[King Elvis]

All well and good if you have someone that clearly improves the team. Is Lyons clearly an improvement over Wright at AFL standard?

We'd know the answer to that if we'd played him more last year, like we should have; but he's dominated the SANFL and every opportunity he's been given at AFL level, he's performed extremely well.

Wright isn't in good form, so, for me, he goes back to find it, Lyons gets rewarded for smashing the door down constantly.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

To put the issue to bed, when Lyons played round 1 against Geelong he laid 4 tackles in the quarter of footy he played. He laid a team high 6 last week too which backed the 5 he laid the previous week.

Don't waste your time.

Like his lack of speed, his inability to tackle is just another excuse some people want to use.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

True re tackles.

We also need to look at missed tackled, how hard they work defensively to block space/chase/harass/pressure the kick/spoil rather than ambling along.

Harder to measure on the stats sheet but gives the complete picture.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Personally I have never rated Wright, IMO he is pedestrian, at times he does not work hard enough, he has no weapon that can be a real asset to our team and there are times in a game where he fails to take the responsibility and take the shot on goal

Is he in my best 22 "No", is he in your best 22 "probably "Yes" but you know what both our opinions do not matter because last week he was in Sando best 22, next week he might be again however whether he will be at end of year it's all up to Wright

Then why not just say - Lyons in for wright?

Instead of making crap about his tackling that has once again, been proven wrong. That's all I was asking for.

But like usual - the first thing posted about a player is sone lame excuse as to why he shouldn't be played.

Crouch was picked as an out - only because he was the sub. Being sub 2 weeks in a row is dangerous as then he would play 2 maybe 3 quarters in 20 days.

I don't want crouch Jn to be dropped but I'd prefer that this week over him becoming the sub again.

 

[Glenno23]

So, against Carlton - if someone only lays 1 or 2 tackles - you will be calling for them to be dropped?

Just for you - Jaensch and Martin only laid 4 tackles between them Thursday night. 2 each, do we drop them?

Don't see becoming head cheerleader to have them dropped fir nit tackling as well as everyone else.

Not if the effort is there. Everyone has a role to play

Again, i may be misreading Lyons tackling skills (i don't get to see him play) but i was just making sure we have the same intensity as Thursday night...... No need to make outlandish statements about what you think i'll cry out for after the Carlton game. Thats conjecture

I'm dealing with facts from this week's games

 

[pjcrows]

I'm typically not a Martin fan but he absolutely deserves to keep his place in order to improve again. If he keeps playing well he picks himself.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

We'd know the answer to that if we'd played him more last year, like we should have; but he's dominated the SANFL and every opportunity he's been given at AFL level, he's performed extremely well.

Wright isn't in good form, so, for me, he goes back to find it, Lyons gets rewarded for smashing the door down constantly.

All well and good saying that in theory but Matthew wright going back to the SANFL will be a waste of tine as A) he will play a very different role (defensive half forward in the AFL) & B) he will get 35 to 40 touches, look like a millionaire who is back in form and we won't have archived a thing by dropping him.

If they pick Lyons - he has to be given a fair go in his rightful position. That's why Charlie was successful Thursday night. He went and played the sane role that got him into the team. A half forward who tackled, kept the ball in the area and kicked goals.

Lyons comes in as the sub - plays a quarter and then gets dropped for not playing his role.

He needs to start and then get given 6 to 8 minutes each quarter in the middle as an offensive extractor (inside midfielder) to prove his worth.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Not if the effort is there. Everyone has a role to play

Again, i may be misreading Lyons tackling skills (i don't get to see him play) but i was just making sure we have the same intensity as Thursday night...... No need to make outlandish statements about what you think i'll cry out for after the Carlton game. Thats conjecture

I'm dealing with facts from this week's games

Maybe you should watch some SANFL games before using these facts and then getting them completely wrong.

You can not help it as you didn't see the game, therefore, stop making outlandish statements that you just 'assume' have occurred.

 

[pjcrows]

Lyons is dead stiff. The good thing is that guys like Martin come in and play well because they know their spot is on the line.

It's easy for us to be critical, and we absolutely should be, but for Cameron and Martin to come in and have immediate impact is a positive. I have no doubt Lyons would come in and have an impact.

FWIW I would have Lyons in for Wright as the forward/mid rotation. I have a sneaky feeling Crouch may go out for Lyons. Unfortunately.

 

[Golumless]

Ok.. i'm going with two changes.

In: Petrenko, Rielly
Out: Cameron, Tex

Rielly to play as the CHF, reckon he has the ability and we'd be set for another glorious 100 games. Petrenko is the future of the club, everything we desire in a player and deserves every chance possible!

Tex is too scary, has too much mongrel, needs to go back to the SANFL to work on that and Cameron has too much enthusiasm


Ok in all seriousness, changes are:
In: Lyons
Out: Wright

No dig on Wright, he's been serviceable, but you have to play inform players and Lyons has earned this opportunity. I'd be slightly harsher and go Martin for CEY/Battersby/Knights, but Martin did enough to deserve a second crack.

 

[Geoffa32]

I would make no changes.

Reward the players who won the game against the Pies. Even Matt Crouch played his role.


It is not just about rewarding the players either. It did seem like the 22 we had on Thursday night was by far the best team we have fielded since 2012 in terms of chemistry and structure.

Don't upset it and tinker for the sake of it or even rewarding SANFL form. You bring someone in when something has gone wrong IMO.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Then why not just say - Lyons in for wright?

Instead of making crap about his tackling that has once again, been proven wrong. That's all I was asking for.

But like usual - the first thing posted about a player is sone lame excuse as to why he shouldn't be played.

Crouch was picked as an out - only because he was the sub. Being sub 2 weeks in a row is dangerous as then he would play 2 maybe 3 quarters in 20 days.

I don't want crouch Jn to be dropped but I'd prefer that this week over him becoming the sub again.

Please show me where I have been critical of Wright's tackling, I stated my reasons why Wright is not in my best 22 and "tackling" was not one of my reasons

 

[King Elvis]

I would make no changes.

Reward the players who won the game against the Pies. Even Matt Crouch played his role.


It is not just about rewarding the players either. It did seem like the 22 we had on Thursday night was by far the best team we have fielded since 2012 in terms of chemistry and structure.

Don't upset it and tinker for the sake of it or even rewarding SANFL form. You bring someone in when something has gone wrong IMO.

Damnit Geoffa, not you too!!

The above suggests that team we put on the oval on Thursday is perfect; that it cannot be improved upon.

 

[Geoffa32]

Damnit Geoffa, not you too!!

The above suggests that team we put on the oval on Thursday is perfect; that it cannot be improved upon.

Can it be improved upon with what we have available right now?

Lyons is a slight upgrade on Wright. He is playing some great SANFL footy over a prolonged period. There is some merit in him coming in.
Otten had a good game last night from all accounts, but I am still unsure after seeing him play live last week.
Grigg is in bad form and needs a stint at SANFL level to get form back.

Graham McKernan Reilly and Pets NOOOOOOOO

CEY, meh I am not convinced on him.

Siggins Kelly, Knight, Aitkins, Battersby are all raw and young still. Need more SANFL time IMO.


If VB Hendo, Lynch and B Crouch were available I would consider some changes. But right now IMO the 22 we fielded Thursday night is our best 22 availiable right now.

 

[Glenno23]

Maybe you should watch some SANFL games before using these facts and then getting them completely wrong.

You can not help it as you didn't see the game, therefore, stop making outlandish statements that you just 'assume' have occurred.

Sorry, i meant i am only dealing with stats from this week's games. Not facts. Apologies

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Can it be improved upon with what we have available right now?

Lyons is a slight upgrade on Wright. He is playing some great SANFL footy over a prolonged period. There is some merit in him coming in.
Otten had a good game last night from all accounts, but I am still unsure after seeing him play live last week.
Grigg is in bad form and needs a stint at SANFL level to get form back.

Graham McKernan Reilly and Pets NOOOOOOOO

CEY, meh I am not convinced on him.

Siggins Kelly, Knight, Aitkins, Battersby are all raw and young still. Need more SANFL time IMO.


If VB Hendo, Lynch and B Crouch were available I would consider some changes. But right now IMO the 22 we fielded Thursday night is our best 22 availiable right now.

Those who sit still risk stalling

Even though Thursday's performance was impressive we need to maintain the right tension between rewarding and improving the team.

IMO the successful Debut of Charlie Cameron now poses a few more questions, do we need a 3rd small forward or can the died be improved with an additional midfielder that can also play forward

Personally I would like to test the option of changing up that last forward role from a small 3rd forward to a additional midfielder and with this change we shouldn't lose what Wright has provided up forward but we potential gain an extra midfielder in our rotations

Track the top 4 sides they consistently make unforced changes regardless of results, reason is they keep pushing their benchmarks and boundaries