Certified Legendary Thread Chapman, Roo, Fagan all of board must announce they will depart end of year.

[ad victoriam]

why does it upset you so much that we've lost money on these 'revenue' streams? I know someone is pissing in your ear and you're doing your best to turn your head and drink it as if it's lemonade, but seriously, what proof do you have to the contrary? Plenty of overt evidence for mine, none for your's and yet you get so upset. We know these dalliances will be wound back over the coming months. The board member involved has already resigned and word is that Fagan in his last year as well. Fagan's only redeeming output is financial performance and yet our performance given our crowds and membership headstart is wholly pedestrian. And you can't tell me that he'd managed to assemble the best people in the right seats. And given that we've gone with rookies in every position from line coach up, you can't argue that we even spend the full cap on our footy dept. Until we had to come to terms with the 3 most highly paid last year that is. Decisions and extensions all carried out under your mate's $million leadership.

Have we lost Money, and were your Proof, I doubt whether you would Find any Proof.

 

[1970crow]

More likely we push Fagan out and Chappy uses it as an excuse to stay on for another year.

Real risk there, it's been every man for himself ever since Roo told customers to go and buy another product. If the footy dept was described as having a culture of self survival, what would you expect from the crew that put it in place and endorsed it wholeheartedly even after the review was called.

Fagan is a snake. He's screwed the pooch by burning cash on his business models and needs to survive to get an equivalent gig elsewhere. He knows that he's done here. We can't afford a decent football dept despite league leading season ticket holders and crowds and uplifting from the Trigg negotiated SMA deal. But he needed to throw the grenade hopeful that he can then isolate himself from the shit show that he allowed to be created.

What's happened is that each side is pointing the finger at each other and neither has the credibility or power to blame the other. It's a stand off. Fagan has gone to great lengths to chew the ear of anyone that will listen that he's not involved in the footy dept, despite his committee roles that set that direction. But at the same time, the board knows that his cashflow boost businesses have done nothing but drain resources from the footy dept which resulted in us continuing to only have the cash to recruit rookies into all roles. Compare Port's coaching panel to our's. FFS, we just employed one of their assistants as our senior coach based upon his entire coaching CV being at Port apart from 1 year under Cameron.

The self preservation identified in the unwanted footy dept review isn't isolated to only that area of the club. It exists everywhere.

 

[1970crow]

Have we lost Money, and were your Proof, I doubt whether you would Find any Proof.

where's the proof you demand of me to the contrary?

 

[hey shorty]

This discussion is going around in circles.....

 

[1970crow]

This discussion is going around in circles.....

I'm happy, AdV is getting a little hot under the collar. We know that prior to sackings, we haven't employed a coach with valued experience since Teague. Well, maybe Francou. Everyone else an existant or a newbie to role. I think it's obvious. I'm not sure why AdV seems to think I need to provide actual facts when he's providing none and he's on record as saying he has access to the club.

 

[ad victoriam]

I'm happy, AdV is getting a little hot under the collar. We know that prior to sackings, we haven't employed a coach with valued experience since Teague. Well, maybe Francou. Everyone else an existant or a newbie to role. I think it's obvious. I'm not sure why AdV seems to think I need to provide actual facts when he's providing none and he's on record as saying he has access to the club.

Employing coaches and gain value experience has nothing to do with, the statement you keep making about the Esport, Baseball and media groups Costing the Crows Money,
Even when the financial statements show no money lost to these venues. you still persist.
The Crows are known to fully fund the Football department mention several times in the media,
The reason we have been performing shithouse is not due to a lack of finance, but due to the People responsible for the running the Football Department,
Yet you constantly blame the finance for our Shithouse performance.
Yes, You also blame the People I will acknowledge that.

Our club has performed badly due to the wrong People leading the Club at all levels from the Football Depart to the Board.

 

[Pugsley]

I was a club apologist for a long time because I didn't want to believe our club was being poorly run. I am no longer an apologist and can't stand the incompetence with how it is managed.

 

[Doctor B]

Collingwoods 2020 coaching panel

Nathan Buckley - Senior Coach
Robert Harvey - Senior Assistant
Brenton Sanderson
Matthew Boyd - replacing Justin Longmuir
Anthony Rocca
Garry Hocking
Scott Selwood
Brad Gotch
Tarkyn Lockyer


This is pre CV19, I'm not sure who is there now.
Compare that coaching panel with ours. Do these 3 muppets and the rest of the board truly believe their members think they are competent?


I know we are rebuilding, but looking at the ladder we've kicked 249 points and conceded 470 points in 6 games.
North in 17th position on the ladder have kicked 364 points and conceded 474 points, but have played an extra game!
Collingwood have conceded 298 points in 7 games.

The stagnant 22 over the last few years has been a huge mistake, I'm worried that in the next few years we will be the new Carlton/Melbourne/Gold Coast basket case club.

 

[Cap]

There was a tweet about Fagan going for the Broncos job

 

[Cole Dammett]

Officially denied.... So probably bang on the money then

 

[1970crow]

Officially denied.... So probably bang on the money then

Nobody with a brain is giving him a gig at an equivalent level. He'd be leaking this shit himself to get some vibe out there that he's in demand.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Fages rejected for another job again

 

[Vhaluus]

It's very easy for the club to hide how much they're losing on these other ventures in the annual report we have access to.

The reason they're able to do that is that a significant portion of the spend for these areas is hidden under our general spending.

Nigel smart despite being COO is 100% focused on the esports for example, but his salary wouldn't be attributed to that program. Also I feel the need to mention again how utterly bizzare it is that our chief operating officer is only involved in a side venture and none of our main business activites.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

That's just as bad as if he was coming back

How so?

Because the people in charge think that getting him back is a good idea

So their other ideas, decisions and choices that affect our club will likely be of similar standard

Never mind the fact he was one of the main players in the Tippett affair which is a big part of the reason our list is the mess it is now.

 

[Murray2503]

Real risk there, it's been every man for himself ever since Roo told customers to go and buy another product. If the footy dept was described as having a culture of self survival, what would you expect from the crew that put it in place and endorsed it wholeheartedly even after the review was called.

Fagan is a snake. He's screwed the pooch by burning cash on his business models and needs to survive to get an equivalent gig elsewhere. He knows that he's done here. We can't afford a decent football dept despite league leading season ticket holders and crowds and uplifting from the Trigg negotiated SMA deal. But he needed to throw the grenade hopeful that he can then isolate himself from the sh*t show that he allowed to be created.

What's happened is that each side is pointing the finger at each other and neither has the credibility or power to blame the other. It's a stand off. Fagan has gone to great lengths to chew the ear of anyone that will listen that he's not involved in the footy dept, despite his committee roles that set that direction. But at the same time, the board knows that his cashflow boost businesses have done nothing but drain resources from the footy dept which resulted in us continuing to only have the cash to recruit rookies into all roles. Compare Port's coaching panel to our's. FFS, we just employed one of their assistants as our senior coach based upon his entire coaching CV being at Port apart from 1 year under Cameron.

The self preservation identified in the unwanted footy dept review isn't isolated to only that area of the club. It exists everywhere.

This can very easily be sorted by a strong Chairman with total authority to make sweeping changes to the board and SLT. The only way for Chapman to be forced out is through the AFL becoming involved and or people not turning up which is generally the only thing they truly care about. The next task is finding the right Chairman. This is critical and likely the most important decision at the club since its inception. The next step is to dismantle the two factions and move out Riccuito and Fagan closely followed by Reid, Hass, Hart, Godden, Clarke.

 

[Cap]

It's very easy for the club to hide how much they're losing on these other ventures in the annual report we have access to.

The reason they're able to do that is that a significant portion of the spend for these areas is hidden under our general spending.

Nigel smart despite being COO is 100% focused on the esports for example, but his salary wouldn't be attributed to that program. Also I feel the need to mention again how utterly bizzare it is that our chief operating officer is only involved in a side venture and none of our main business activites.

Reviewing the financials they are pretty clear
Footy income and footy expenses and the other income and general expenses which gives us a chance to guesstimate


You can see other revenue went from circa $700k and other expenses $1.4 m in '16 to revenue circa $1.9m expense $3m in '19

This includes a big jump between 18 and 19 when the Bite was acquired.

So if you ignore any other benefits it looks like the Bite cost $1.4M and created Revenue of $1.1m in year 1.

This assumes AFLW is considered Footy revenue.

 

[Vhaluus]

Reviewing the financials they are pretty clear
Footy income and footy expenses and the other income and general expenses which gives us a chance to guesstimate


You can see other revenue went from circa $700k and other expenses $1.4 m in '16 to revenue circa $1.9m expense $3m in '19

This includes a big jump between 18 and 19 when the Bite was acquired.

So if you ignore any other benefits it looks like the Bite cost $1.4M and created Revenue of $1.1m in year 1.

This assumes AFLW is considered Footy revenue.

and again, this ignores the fact they can hide significant non AFL spending under AFL spending via 'creative' accounting. Which is the opposite of what a good club would be doing.

 

[Cap]

and again, this ignores the fact they can hide significant non AFL spending under AFL spending via 'creative' accounting. Which is the opposite of what a good club would be doing.

Which good clubs are reporting different?

They've split out non football expenses pretty clearly.

Apart from breaching soft caps, what's the point of doing what you have suggested?

Apart from create a conspiracy for a few fans of course

 

[Vhaluus]

Which good clubs are reporting different?

They've split out non football expenses pretty clearly.

Apart from breaching soft caps, what's the point of doing what you have suggested?

Apart from create a conspiracy for a few fans of course

hiding how poor the investments are

 

[Cap]

hiding how poor the investments are

So, KPMG, the AFC and AFL are all colluding to hide how badly the Bite, The esports team and the media company are doing so members can't see it?

Don't get me wrong, there maybe some playing around the edges, but have you ever considered that those investments aren't doing as badly as you think and that are Men's football department issues are related to bad decision making within those divisions?

 

[mort0089]

Fagan is a snake. He's screwed the pooch by burning cash on his business models and needs to survive to get an equivalent gig elsewhere. He knows that he's done here. We can't afford a decent football dept despite league leading season ticket holders and crowds and uplifting from the Trigg negotiated SMA deal. But he needed to throw the grenade hopeful that he can then isolate himself from the sh*t show that he allowed to be created.

I can’t like this post enough! The fact that nobody else wants him speaks volumes. We’re ****ed only going to slide further backwards - just like the Brumbies after his reign of terror.

The man is toxic and destroys what he touches.

 

[Vhaluus]

So, KPMG, the AFC and AFL are all colluding to hide how badly the Bite, The esports team and the media company are doing so members can't see it?

Don't get me wrong, there maybe some playing around the edges, but have you ever considered that those investments aren't doing as badly as you think and that are Men's football department issues are related to bad decision making within those divisions?

Who pays KPMG? These big firms are very well known for being willing to be guided on their outcome. They won't break the law or lie but they get creative about what they deliver.

The afl don't have to collude. We just took a much more unfavorable loan for the entire purpose of keeping them ignorant.

 

[Scrogdogg]

This can very easily be sorted by a strong Chairman with total authority to make sweeping changes to the board and SLT. The only way for Chapman to be forced out is through the AFL becoming involved and or people not turning up which is generally the only thing they truly care about. The next task is finding the right Chairman. This is critical and likely the most important decision at the club since its inception. The next step is to dismantle the two factions and move out Riccuito and Fagan closely followed by Reid, Hass, Hart, Godden, Clarke.

Yep. It is not a great leap of logic to conclude that the longer term people running the club have crashed us. We are damaged. We sack coaches. We have fizzled embarrassingly with recruiting. Culture is burned. There is nothing from the past decade plus that we can hang our hat on.....'cepting an embarrassing GF. The only saving grace is the large bunch of come what may allegiance/support by members of the public who are kept at arms length by an inclusive management. And that comes to the club for free ! There is nothing of achievable note that I can bring to mind of this management. Only mistakes. Now the instigators and easy riders will ask that we further support their passionate desires to put the club back on its feet again 5years down the track. Just get out Chapman, and any boys club remnants.

 

[jenny61_99]

Never mind the fact he was one of the main players in the Tippett affair which is a big part of the reason our list is the mess it is now.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked. I asked why was it a bad thing that Trigg turned our approach down? Surely that's a good thing?

 

[Pugsley]

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked. I asked why was it a bad thing that Trigg turned our approach down? Surely that's a good thing?

I think its a good thing he turned it down.