Certified Legendary Thread Chapman, Roo, Fagan all of board must announce they will depart end of year.

[hey shorty]

This is scaremongering. Up front scaremongering.

Dont ever tell me you are not embedded within the club.

I actually think the AFL will want their cash back quicker rather than draw out the loan.

 

[Deaneus!]

What'[s the format for emails at the Crows? I'm getting bounce backs.

 

[Deaneus!]

Who made the decision that this was the right guy for the board? Oh, the same people that make the current decisions that got us where we are? Cool.

Or he couldnt be arsed hanging around doing the hard yards

declaring the task to turn their fortunes around would be too “significant and time-consuming”

Vicinity CEO and Adelaide 36ers owner Grant Kelley said he wouldn’t progress his interest in joining the Crows board, warning the next chair would be taking on a long-term role in steering the bottom-placed club back to success.

“My analysis, and my concern in taking on the role, is not based on what’s happening off the field but based on what’s happening on the field – which tells me the turnaround of the club will be significant and very time-consuming for whichever individual takes on the role,” he told InDaily.

This job is too hard, but thanks! Righto

It sickens me to see the links Randall has with Chapman and Trigg. I'd really like to know the process in appointing board members. Shouldn't there be some nomination process? Seems like Chappy just shot an email out to his mates at Westpac house.

The AFL have to sign off I'm sure, I'll have a quick skim of the Constitution for fun

If our football club has board rot, can someone explain to me how we have produced such an exceptional women's football program?

Everything has been executed to perfection. We have an elite program. We have won two of the three available premierships so far. We are seeing astronomical growth in support from women and girls in South Australia. We have done it entirely by ourselves. Not with AFL help, as the two minnow clubs in Victoria did pre-AFLW.

Meanwhile Collingwood's program is fifth rate. An afterthought. Almost insulting. Half the big Victorian clubs showed little interest at all. If these clubs have better admin, it would be in their DNA, part of their charter, to make an elite, professional execution of every club endeavour. There is no evidence of that. Our program is better.

I suspect Fagan went with a plan, they signed off and weren't particularly interested because it wasn't the men's team, so the AFLW program proceeded unmolested without any hiccups as it were and suddenly we were winners! (I have no proof but choose to believe this)

What are their plans I wonder?

I don't remember what smart arse comment I planned to type when i quoted this. But it would have been gold.

Those clubs probably prioritise their men's team.

Credit to us for taking the lead and investing. In time hopefully other clubs will follow our example and the competition will grow/strengthen.

It also diminishes our accomplishment though if part of the reason we've been successful is that other clubs aren't taking it seriously (or participating at all). That's no fault of ours of course but it would be disingenuous to think otherwise.

Yet I don't see a asterix, I only see a cup. Everyone else had the same rules. Why didn't they work harder?

From inDaily;

... With no accountability at executive/management level for any of these massive blunders.

InDaily really doing well on this issue. And yes management skate along.

I thought it weak. Premise was good. Stick a quick jab into Fagan but didn't work the body after that. Failed to ask why the financial controller sits on both football strategy and list management committees. If you want to identify a clear cultural and structural problem, having the head bean counter involved in football direction, both being regulated by spending limits, is where you start.

Of all the parts of the Crows, I've followed the financial controller - because I wanted his job! And by and large Mr Shane Smallacombe has done a good job. Had a couple of chats with him about the financial statements, I'd expect he's in the room to point out in real time the implications of the decisions people are making about who to pay when and how much. I've done much exactly the same thing in my old industry - do you really want guys who only know football running spreadsheets that calculate how much $$$ is being paid out? I've seen the kinds of spreadsheets non-finance people make and the correct answer is "no ****ing way"

 

[dude316]

What'[s the format for emails at the Crows? I'm getting bounce backs.

Try: poorlyrunorganisation@boysclub.com

 

[1970crow]

Even Noble back as CEO has its merits. Probably wouldn't do it, but he's qualified

Our football dept was nothing but mediocre under Noble. That said, he's no pie in the sky snake oil salesman, so I expect our footy dept to not be hamstrung by having to prop up cash draining dalliances if he was CEO. But I do worry that he's too Neil Craig football philosophy and we know that he has failed at every club that he's been at. This is why I'd remove admin from football, 2 arms reporting directly to the board.

Admin side is purely commercial, tasked with generating the cash flow, at a minimum, to fully fund the footy spending caps. Admin staff assist where requested, but otherwise have little to no influence. Footy dept gets the money and spends it how it sees fit, no involvement from Admin whatsoever.

Expecting an elite commercial operator and elite football operator in the one package is delusional. They come along very rarely. Best to isolate the 2 and assume neither has any value getting involved in each other's business. There is nothing being lost doing this. And the mere fact that both Fagan and his CFO sit on footy strategy and list management committees shows how influential non-football people are in setting that direction.

 

[hey shorty]

Our football dept was nothing but mediocre under Noble. That said, he's no pie in the sky snake oil salesman, so I expect our footy dept to not be hamstrung by having to prop up cash draining dalliances if he was CEO. But I do worry that he's too Neil Craig football philosophy and we know that he has failed at every club that he's been at. This is why I'd remove admin from football, 2 arms reporting directly to the board.

Admin side is purely commercial, tasked with generating the cash flow, at a minimum, to fully fund the footy spending caps. Admin staff assist where requested, but otherwise have little to no influence. Footy dept gets the money and spends it how it sees fit, no involvement from Admin whatsoever.

Expecting an elite commercial operator and elite football operator in the one package is delusional. They come along very rarely. Best to isolate the 2 and assume neither has any value getting involved in each other's business. There is nothing being lost doing this. And the mere fact that both Fagan and his CFO sit on footy strategy and list management committees shows how influential non-football people are in setting that direction.

That's a fair point you raise, I merely bring him to the discussion due to his football knowledge. Seems to be doing a fine job in Brisbane along with a quality football department.

I'd like to know how they got there, because they were an absolute shambles 3 years ago.

 

[1970crow]

This job is too hard, but thanks! Righto



The AFL have to sign off I'm sure, I'll have a quick skim of the Constitution for fun



I suspect Fagan went with a plan, they signed off and weren't particularly interested because it wasn't the men's team, so the AFLW program proceeded unmolested without any hiccups as it were and suddenly we were winners! (I have no proof but choose to believe this)



I don't remember what smart arse comment I planned to type when i quoted this. But it would have been gold.



Yet I don't see a asterix, I only see a cup. Everyone else had the same rules. Why didn't they work harder?



InDaily really doing well on this issue. And yes management skate along.



Of all the parts of the Crows, I've followed the financial controller - because I wanted his job! And by and large Mr Shane Smallacombe has done a good job. Had a couple of chats with him about the financial statements, I'd expect he's in the room to point out in real time the implications of the decisions people are making about who to pay when and how much. I've done much exactly the same thing in my old industry - do you really want guys who only know football running spreadsheets that calculate how mchy $$$ is being paid out? I've seen the kinds of spreadsheets non-finance people make and the correct answer is "no ******* way"

If they can't run a simple spreadsheet, given Fagan is in there plus highly paid footy admin people, then they're employing the wrong people. They should be free to spend however they like within the cap, it's very simple. They deal with the stupidity or otherwise of those calls. And nothing is enacted until he runs the numbers in his spreadsheet. There is no need for him or Fagan to be involved in these committees as they have nothing to bring to discussions. They most certainly have a financial review role post decisions though. But if the spreadsheet is designed properly with the appropriate protections in place even that is unnecessary.

I've seen plenty of spreadsheets that are complicated but largely meaningless as a tool for decision makers. It's the job of the accountant to provide reports in a usable and understandable form for those requiring them. And we're not talking about a complicated tool at all, very simple really. And we're not talking about your average plodder using them, these are highly paid and in Kelley's case, highly business credentialled. A simple spreadsheet designed to avoid overspend against a defined limit, simply can't be beyond him.

No, my firm view is that Fagan and Smallacombe sit on these committees to reduce total spend at every turn, not ensure that total spend remains within the AFL set limits. 2 spreadsheets, 3 worksheets in total and entry level cell protection instead of wasting those guys valuable time sitting in meetings doing nothing that the head of footy can't do.

 

[Deaneus!]

Try: poorlyrunorganisation@boysclub.com

Should I be concerned that I can't even find the email of the member-elected board members?

Sent an email to the club general address and told them to pass it on

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Even Noble back as CEO has its merits. Probably wouldn't do it, but he's qualified

You would do it and then he'd do his multitasking thing and sort out the foot dept. on top of his CEO duties. He's a freak like that.

 

[1970crow]

That's a fair point you raise, I merely bring him to the discussion due to his football knowledge. Seems to be doing a fine job in Brisbane along with a quality football department.

I'd like to know how they got there, because they were an absolute shambles 3 years ago.

I don't think Brisbane's turnaround is too much of a mystery. They got their talent ID right after years at the bottom, got a very good coach, traded in a couple of great players in their roles, sacked an incompetent fitness dept and most importantly, started keeping their young talent. Dream job walking in as head of footy there. No major changes were required, Fagan on his final interview, list manager, fitness and talent ID in place, the building was built. Credit where due, he's not screwed it up, but he hasn't been involved in any of those changes. But he probably has learned what a high performing organisation looks like.

 

[Pugsley]

What'[s the format for emails at the Crows? I'm getting bounce backs.

They need to keep Phil away from it.

 

[dude316]

Should I be concerned that I can't even find the email of the member-elected board members?

Sent an email to the club general address and told them to pass it on

All this kind of stuff will change when you’re chairman.
Didn’t it use to be “first initial then last name @ afc.com.au ?”
Like: afagan@afc.com.au

 

[jenny61_99]

If Trigg was brought in to replace Chapman, that'd be it for me. I'd never support the club again.

Luckily, Trigg turned them down.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Luckily, Trigg turned them down.

That's just as bad as if he was coming back

 

[jenny61_99]

That's just as bad as if he was coming back

How so?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How so?

Because the people in charge think that getting him back is a good idea

So their other ideas, decisions and choices that affect our club will likely be of similar standard

 

[Murray2503]

Inside the Crows' downfall: Rebuilding a team - and repairing a club

Inside the Crows' downfall: Rebuilding a team - and repairing a club - InDaily

Never before in its 30 years as an AFL powerhouse has the Adelaide Football Club faced so many questions on its future. In the concluding part of his review, <strong>Michelangelo Rucci</strong> seeks some answers.

indaily.com.au

 

[Scrogdogg]

I've never accepted the anti Noble slant. I knew he would make Brisbane work once he was hunted and appointed.

We need a big clean out at board level . Unfortunately we are fragmented as a club. great corporate, diverse interests, splintered efforts, unsatisfactory time-passed club location, complicated controlling structure. We've been going down this blurred road for ten years.

 

[hey shorty]

Because the people in charge think that getting him back is a good idea

So their other ideas, decisions and choices that affect our club will likely be of similar standard

I think it was a final attempt of the Chappy/Hazel ticket to bring someone in in their mould.

 

[1970crow]

Any coincidence that Caro says on AA that Fagan possibly on his last legs and McDowell resigning. There's a Commercial Innovation and Growth Committee which he chaired and the only other executive on it is Fagan. We know the likelihood that our growth strategy into esports, baseball and productions will be draining cash. I think the production business just gets wound down without fanfare, it's not like we even know much about it anyway. Can't exit out of the other 2 as quietly, but I exoect they're working on exit strategies now and this will be on the cards over the next 12 months I expect.

 

[Pugsley]

Any coincidence that Caro says on AA that Fagan possibly on his last legs and McDowell resigning. There's a Commercial Innovation and Growth Committee which he chaired and the only other executive on it is Fagan. We know the likelihood that our growth strategy into esports, baseball and productions will be draining cash. I think the production business just gets wound down without fanfare, it's not like we even know much about it anyway. Can't exit out of the other 2 as quietly, but I exoect they're working on exit strategies now and this will be on the cards over the next 12 months I expect.

A spring clean out of administration and the board. I highly endorse this product.

 

[jackster83]

A spring clean out of administration and the board. I highly endorse this product.

More likely we push Fagan out and Chappy uses it as an excuse to stay on for another year.

 

[Pugsley]

More likely we push Fagan out and Chappy uses it as an excuse to stay on for another year.

Chappy's word is as good as a used car salesman. Can't be trusted.

 

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Any coincidence that Caro says on AA that Fagan possibly on his last legs and McDowell resigning. There's a Commercial Innovation and Growth Committee which he chaired and the only other executive on it is Fagan. We know the likelihood that our growth strategy into esports, baseball and productions will be draining cash. I think the production business just gets wound down without fanfare, it's not like we even know much about it anyway. Can't exit out of the other 2 as quietly, but I exoect they're working on exit strategies now and this will be on the cards over the next 12 months I expect.

FFS you and other have constantly ask me to provide Proof, for any of my Comments,,
Well, Can you Provide proof, for your Statements?

 

[1970crow]

FFS you and other have constantly ask me to provide Proof, for any of my Comments,,
Well, Can you Provide proof, for your Statements?

why does it upset you so much that we've lost money on these 'revenue' streams? I know someone is pissing in your ear and you're doing your best to turn your head and drink it as if it's lemonade, but seriously, what proof do you have to the contrary? Plenty of overt evidence for mine, none for your's and yet you get so upset. We know these dalliances will be wound back over the coming months. The board member involved has already resigned and word is that Fagan in his last year as well. Fagan's only redeeming output is financial performance and yet our performance given our crowds and membership headstart is wholly pedestrian. And you can't tell me that he'd managed to assemble the best people in the right seats. And given that we've gone with rookies in every position from line coach up, you can't argue that we even spend the full cap on our footy dept. Until we had to come to terms with the 3 most highly paid last year that is. Decisions and extensions all carried out under your mate's $million leadership.