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I don't see anyone claiming Judd can't play, or is anything less than a great player.
Only an avalanche of people stating Ablett is better.
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Chris Judd - Greatest player of the 21st Century (so far)
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I don't see anyone claiming Judd can't play, or is anything less than a great player.
Only an avalanche of people stating Ablett is better.
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Is Tom Rockliff a better footballer than Judd was at his peak because he averages 27 touches a game?
Did Geelong over possess the ball given Collingwood average 30-40 touches less than the Cats did under Bomber Thompson?
Your argument makes no sense. You can only compare a player against the standard at the time and 22 possessions put you in the upper echelon back in 2004. These days, it'd be lucky to have you in the top 50 for possessions average.
I was actually responding to a post saying Judd isn't considered Elite. So there you go.
I think it's fair to say Ablett is a better player. But Judd is, and has been, a model for an Elite mid of this century and is easily a champion. I also strongly oppose the calls that Judd is consistently having his mistake written off. While it's certainly true how often do you hear about Swan's equally poor disposal? Judd is not at all a poor decision maker, generally. Either is Swan. Judd's main assets are his ability to win the ball at ground level, repeated efforts, ability to win the contested ball, breaking packs and centre clearances.
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Buddy does not have the respect of the football community, considering his unsavoury off field activites.
Ooops. Don't go there l_l
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Well it annoys the bejesus out of me how some fans seem to question Judd's character and intergrty, esp to the role he has with Visy.
Buddy Franklin as a person/footballer is similar to Wayne Carey, supremely talented but tainted by off field issues.
For the record Buddy Franklin does nor come close to Wayne Carey at the height of his powers.
And although Wayne Carey and Ablett Snr are still the two best players I have seen in my lifetime, i cannot hold the same amount of respect for them like i do for champions like Robert Harvey and Jimmy Stynes.
Donk's comment about 'respect' in the football community is arrogant and deeply flawed
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Sorry what are Buddy's unsavoury off field activities?
**** it's nothing to do with the fact Ablett went to the midfield in 07 does it?
Do you think it has nothing to do with the fact Judd stuffed his groins?
Why was it that it took until 2007 for Ablett to make this shift?
Why would one but not the other of these points be deemed valid?
From my perspective, Judd has performed higher, longer. Ablett has recently been the much better player - although not this season IMO - and Judd had easily been much better prior to that. Now there might be reasons each way for why this is the case ... but that doesn't change the fact that this is the case.
Hahaha. Don't let it get to you mate, especially from Donk; the dude's just a poker player FFS. Judd was also the Rudd governments environmental ambassador in an unpaid role and has been speaking out for environmental issues since early WCE days. People just got massive offended - and Donk is an obvious one - from Judd coming to the Blues and Visy belonging to Pratt. That it's probably the most well aligned ambassadorship in the whole AFL is something lost on most, coz they can't see past there outrage. I say they're welcome to it. They probably think J Brown is a life-ling diesel train enthusiast. lol
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No he won't. Will be remembered as a champion though
That is one of the poorest attempts of a troll, ever. Take it to the bay
Ablett has 3 MVP's............that screws up your arguement.
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Judd was destroyed by his groin injuries, and yet he is still top 2-3 in the league for sure.
If he had never lost his pace we wouldn't even be discussing whether Ablett is as good.
I'd say that Ablett is ahead now, and has been for a couple of years, but Judd was easily ahead before that. I still rate Black, Hayes or Reiwoldt as better players over the decade. But Judd's years at West Coast were by far the best of any player in the last ten years.
If he had never lost his pace we wouldn't even be discussing whether Ablett is as good.
I'd say that Ablett is ahead now, and has been for a couple of years, but Judd was easily ahead before that. I still rate Black, Hayes or Reiwoldt as better players over the decade. But Judd's years at West Coast were by far the best of any player in the last ten years.
I'd rate Ablett ahead easily. Thought Cousins was a better player than Judd. We are forgetting Judd probably shouldn't have made AA last year.
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What an absolutely stupid comment to make. Carey was lucky to escape prison time in the US, and the Stevens' wife/Carey issue is one of the most distasteful stories in AFL history. Wiki dedicates a thousand words to Carey's 'off field' issues. What controversy has Franklin ever caused? Tell a girl to piss off in a night club? Or run on a three meter arc?
So the myth grows another leg ...
Top 5 MVP, top 5 mid AFLCA, B&F winner in a finals team, Brownlow winner.
Yep, my bullshit detector just shat itself
Biggest mistake in Judd's AA selection last year was Montagna in the 18 over him. Leaving Judd out would've been another Lenny.
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What? Montagna was outstanding last year.
Biased much? What you said is like saying Tom Collier will become a decent defender and will have Multiple AA selections by the end or him career
, It just wont happen.
Goodesy all day every day. You just can't buy that mixture of versatility skill and above all, loyalty.
Many young footballers (and especially indigenous footballers) idols.
Many young footballers (and especially indigenous footballers) idols.
So the myth grows another leg ...
Top 5 MVP, top 5 mid AFLCA, B&F winner in a finals team, Brownlow winner.
Yep, my bullshit detector just shat itself
Biggest mistake in Judd's AA selection last year was Montagna in the 18 over him. Leaving Judd out would've been another Lenny.
Not to mention he missed 3 H&A games.
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Yeah I know, I wasn't even going to bother responding to it. Buddy by all reports is a genuine person, who doesn't even go out to pubs/clubs anymore. The worst thing he did was telling a girl to piss off, correct. But the kind of people you are dealing with here.....
And it also very ironic a Carlton supporter trying to belittle a cleanskin. Considering what has went on at their club the last 50 years. But you are dealing with a guy who thinks Cousins is no better than Scott West, who thinks Simon Black is more decorated than Cousins and who thinks Judd is the greatest player in the last 10 years.
I really just wouldn't respond to him anymore. Just let him be.
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Not once have I questioned anyones integrity in this thread. I have simply stated, like nearly everyone else, that Ablett & Buddy will be remembered as better players than Judd.
Anyway, what's wrong with being a poker player? Good poker players often make anywhere between 5x to 500x, what the average person would make. Are you saying it's a bad thing being good at maths and being able to pick up on tells? Is it a bad thing being able to earn good money doing something you enjoy? What's the downside of it?
Please explain.
So was Judd. IMO he even was better. Same as the player, coaches and umps it appears, but now his season is being re-written that he didn't even deserve All Australian selection; when he really did deserve a starting spot.
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Biased much? What you said is like saying Tom Collier will become a decent defender and will have Multiple AA selections by the end or him career
Yeah except Swan has been the best midfielder in the league for two years running now with no sign of slowing down. He wasn't a pimple on Judd or Abletts arse when he started but in the last 3 years he's caught up at a rate of knots, their accomplishments in that time are all even, so it's not a stretch to say that Swan will continue ahead and be the best of the 3 by the time they're all retired. Swan is a natural footballer, he could be playing at his current level til he's 30+. Judds best is already well behind him.
He's still got a bit to do, but he'll get there.
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IMO Judd did not deserve AA last year, just like he did not deserve the Brownlow.
IMO he is not even the best player at his club, let alone in the AFL.
Judd kicking skills are rubbish, its just that Carlton supporters and the silly media ignore this.
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If Judd, Ablett & Buddy were available in a trade, most Carlton supporters would take Buddy 10/10 times. As a Collingwood supporter, I'm jealous that Hawthorn supporters get to enjoy watching him.
As for Judd & Ablett, the minimal difference b/w them & Pendlebury & Swan is minimal.
As for Judd & Ablett, the minimal difference b/w them & Pendlebury & Swan is minimal.
Only the future answers that question. All you're talking about is the current prevailing opinion and mostly then just BF opinion and not even a concensus. While it is very fashionable to dislike Judd atm, I'm not sure that will hold forever in more mature forums. I'd say there are a number of seasons remaining that will determine what you consider a forgone conclusion.
I won't answer all your questions, but I will explain. Who the hell would let themselves get perturbed in any way by the musings of a poker player; a game where deceiving your opponent can be a key strategy in achieving desired outcomes? Nah, you've already got your cards re. Judd & the Blues and you're simply play them the way you will. Nothing more.
