IMO your opinion is absolute rubbish.
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Chris Judd - Greatest player of the 21st Century (so far)
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IMO your opinion is absolute rubbish.
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I think nearly everyone would. There might be a few who go for Ablett as well, but if those three were available, I don't think one AFL team would select Judd over Buddy or Ablett.
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IMO so are yours.
You clearly have a man crush on Judd and ignore everyones opinion if it does not line up with yours.
You must be shattered he never won the umpires award on Monday night.
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A lot of people were questioning the brownlow's validity last year after Judd won. 3 Votes in a 50 points loss to the premier is laughable.
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If I had to choose Wayne Carey or Buddy Franklin at the same age, I'd take Carey every day of the week. Carey also played in the golden era of key defenders in the AFL, there has been scant quality defenders in the Buddy era compared to whom Carey faced.
And yes, I rate Simon Black's career higher then Cousins, cause he was more consistent over a longer period of time.
Back on topic Hawthorn fans have a warped and bitter hate for Judd for some reason.
And yes, I rate Simon Black's career higher then Cousins, cause he was more consistent over a longer period of time.
Back on topic Hawthorn fans have a warped and bitter hate for Judd for some reason.
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On the flip side, Judd should have won the brownlow this year, and didn't poll votes in games he should have, so it all balances out.
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No he shouldn't have. Mitchell should have won it followed by Dal Santo or Swan.
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Buddy at 24 stacks up to any CHF that has ever played the game. 19 possessions per game & 82 goals this year in the age of zones and presses where it is much harder for a KPF to play in, is as good as it gets ( well maybe Buddys 08 season of 200+ scoring shots on goal shades it ).
Games are now lower scoring, and there is less of a reliance on one key forwards in gameplans. That makes Buddys achievements all the more remarkable.
Cousins >>>>> Black. You say Black has better consistency? Cousins 6 x All Australian, 4x Best & Fairests, Brownlow medal and a MVP by 28 is as good as it gets. Black has played 5 or 6 more seasons and only managed half the AAs as Cousins. Your arguements are deeply flawed.
Look, nobody is saying Judds not a gun. People are just saying Ablett & Buddy will be better by careers end. There's no shame in that.
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I rated Pendlebury's season ahead of Swan and Mitchell, but you have to be taking the piss if you think Dal Santo had a better season than Judd.
Dal Santo had the luxury of not having any teammates steal votes off him, but how he managed to rack up 28 votes this season in a average season does show the flaws of the current voting system
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^ How Swan was better than Pendlebury has me beat...
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In hindsight this season as far as midfielders go -
1. Swan
2. Mitchell & Pendlebury
3. Ablett
4. Judd
5. Dal Santo
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As Judd did in 2010.
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Oh the irony.
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Looking back, he was tearing teams apart. What was it, 13 straight games of 30+ touches or something silly like that
Guy is a freak. A very underrated one at that.Imo, over the last 3 years, only Ablett has been a better midfielder than Swan. Easily the 2nd best mid the last few years.
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Dal Santo was the shining light for St Kilda this year. Speaking of average players, do I need to point out all the years when an arguably average player has won the Brownlow? I could start with Woewodin.
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Yep but do you really think Pagan's paddock where Carey had the whole 50 metre arc to hismelf would exist today?
Carey had to deal with better defenders, but had more isolation and space - it's what makes Cloke's year so great IMHO - all those contested marks.
No hate, I just think Judd is over-rated by the media and the AFL pumps up its calendar marketing boys. Judd's a very good player, but his strengths as a footballer are offset in some way by his marking and disposal weaknesses, and so is well behind Hird, Voss and Bucks for mine and obviously GAblett. I'd suggest Goodes and Scarlett have also had better centuries as well.
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Which gets back to the bane of these debates, comparing eras. I saw G Ablett senior play as well as Dermie as well as Carey as well as Blight so for me, at least Franklin is not as good as Carey nor others.
As for Judd, he has one premiership and 2 Brownlows. There are some Geelong boys who have 2 premierships as well as a Brownlow who might also get a third this weekend. So on achievements alone not the greatest.
Then if you want to point to Judd being the main man for Carlton in years when he had no one else to take the pressure off him, look at Ablett at Gold Coast this year. Playing with kids he was paid a bomb and earnt every cent of it and he has 2 premierships and a Brownlow.
Then if you want to put at how much Judd has achieved since playing at a young age, look at J Selwood, how many premierships does he have, how many wins/losses has he played in and how old is he.
Make no mistake Judd has been a very good player and is still a very good player but if I was to ask the question, if you could sign Murphy or Judd from Carlton now, how many would sign Judd.
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That's a funny one. Because Franklins 2008 and 2011 rate almost better than any season Carey had stats wise. Franklin did this in the days of lower scoring games where key forwards have less of an impact, because of zones and presses. It's much, much, much harder for a key forward these days in a lot ways. Gameplans are also geared as to not have a heavy reliance one player, unlike Pagans Paddock.
I mean, could you imagine Franklin and Cloke being left one out with all that space Carey, Dunstall, Lockett and co got, and were also left one out like those guys. I daresay, that Cloke & Franklin would run absolutely riot, season after season. If Franklin got 200+ socring shots on goal in 2008 whilst being mostered, double teamed and zoned off on, he would prbably shatter every record known to man if he was just left one out on a defender like Carey and co were in the 90s.
I have little trouble ignoring opinions where a guy who won a B&F in a finals team, clearly his teams best for the year to the point of wide acknowledgement of carrying them into finals post-Fev, was his teams only AA rep, had a bloody ripping year for those bothering to actually watch football games, voted a top 5 player by his peers, a top 5 mid by coaches and was in pretty much every BF All Australian team doesn't "deserve" to make the final 22. Yes. I think that's one of the daftest opinions I've seen on BF for some time and it's pure a re-write. Seems his surprise Brownlow win has become contagious for his whole 2010 for a few hindsight nellies with hang-ups. Any objective assessment as to why you think that may I ask? Or you just shooting off at the mouth ... again
Didn't phase me. I've said it for some time now, those super surprised at Judd's Brownlow win and even worse, those outraged by it, don't understand the award for shit. The Brownlow thread last year postulated a week out that Ablett or Judd would take out the medal and Swan would poll 3rd. It's not Juddy's fault most of the football community don't actually watch games or keep tallies, rather relying on consensus of opinion and media vibe to ascertain the winner.
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But in the days of Carey, the defenders could near kill a key forward without conceding the free kick. If Franklin played on the defenders in those days, then he would have to play to entirely different rules.
Also the sports science in Carey's days was basic, if at all existent, so how much better would he have been these days. Nobody can say.
I'm happy to say that if Carey played today, he would do well and if Franklin played in Carey's time, he'd do okay.
That's why comparing eras is flawed. It's like saying Fred Fanning or Gordon Coventrywould be a champion today. Their performances would say yes but there's no way to compare them adequately.
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Oh no.
Another of the Carlton "if you don't say Juddles is the best you must hate him" brigade.
Why no mention of all the non Hawk supporters who say Judd is overated.
So you're saying that because Carlton lost and because it was against the side that won the GF 5 months later, Judd's performance shouldn't be taken on face value by the umps? I thought you're either the best performed player on the ground or you're not. Did you see the game live may I ask? Did you even watch it on TV? I thought Judd was BOG. My Magpie mate had him BOG as well.
The 50pts issue firmly puts you in the hindsight only category, as the Blues were well in the game during the 3Q and a lot of that had to do with Judd. Seems you've decided it was unfair and trawled through his games with the hindsight goggles on. Not a good look mate I can tell you
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Good points. I agree. Comparing eras is almost impossible.
It's called Luke Hodge mate. They copped it for years for selecting him over Judd. Probably the first of the big draft **** ups. They've never recovered it seems, as it's a common vein with most Hawk fans to have this intense opposition to the man. Even on BF it's rare in its consistency across all boards.
