Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[UpTheGuts]

I'm not sure Ellis would be in gws top 12-15 players

SOS also delisted Miles.

Fanks Steve

 

[My name geoff]

SOS also delisted Miles.

Fanks Steve

Behind Shiel, Treloar, Ward, Griffen, Coniglio, Whitfield, Green, Scully, Kelly. Not sure anyone at gws is losing sleep over that one either

 

[THE_GUN]

Jesus christ there is a lot of shit written in this thread thats not worth reading but for some stupid reason i have wasted the last 2 hours reading this crap.

Richmond wont get #17 for Astbury, Even if they did it would include #31 going the other way, But Brisbane know that both Carlton and Richmond need to get this trade done so will only give up #21 even if they did take astbury - which i doubt will be done tbh

Let me just tell you people something, Why has carlton not traded their #20 to GWS for the 3/4 gws kids yet ??
Because the default trade is already clear , If these is no better outcome achieved then the deal is simple

#12 + # 31 Will go to Carlton
Yarran + # 20 Will go to Richmond

Making the trade Value for Yarran @ #18/#19 which Carlton and all the supporters were more than happy to accept when it was rumoured that Hawks were interested in him.

I just cant believe how much people think that what they post here is going to influence the outcome of this trade FMD

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

Jesus christ there is a lot of shit written in this thread thats not worth reading but for some stupid reason i have wasted the last 2 hours reading this crap.

Richmond wont get #17 for Astbury, Even if they did it would include #31 going the other way, But Brisbane know that both Carlton and Richmond need to get this trade done so will only give up #21 even if they did take astbury - which i doubt will be done tbh

Let me just tell you people something, Why has carlton not traded their #20 to GWS for the 3/4 gws kids yet ??
Because the default trade is already clear , If these is no better outcome achieved then the deal is simple

#12 + # 31 Will go to Carlton
Yarran + # 20 Will go to Richmond

Making the trade Value for Yarran @ #18/#19 which Carlton and all the supporters were more than happy to accept when it was rumoured that Hawks were interested in him.

I just cant believe how much people think that what they post here is going to influence the outcome of this trade FMD

This is most likely how it will play out, which is a fair result for all parties.
I really don't mind giving up pick 12 if we get pick 20 in return as well as Yarran.
For what it's worth, I think Yarran will prove to justify giving up a first round selection for him.
He will absolutely tear it apart at Punt Road next season and could prove to be the recruit of the off-season.
Bookmark it.

 

[KnobHead]

Jesus christ there is a lot of shit written in this thread thats not worth reading but for some stupid reason i have wasted the last 2 hours reading this crap.

Richmond wont get #17 for Astbury, Even if they did it would include #31 going the other way, But Brisbane know that both Carlton and Richmond need to get this trade done so will only give up #21 even if they did take astbury - which i doubt will be done tbh

Let me just tell you people something, Why has carlton not traded their #20 to GWS for the 3/4 gws kids yet ??
Because the default trade is already clear , If these is no better outcome achieved then the deal is simple

#12 + # 31 Will go to Carlton
Yarran + # 20 Will go to Richmond

Making the trade Value for Yarran @ #18/#19 which Carlton and all the supporters were more than happy to accept when it was rumoured that Hawks were interested in him.

I just cant believe how much people think that what they post here is going to influence the outcome of this trade FMD

here what you're saying Gun, but problem with that scenario from a blues viewpoint is that while we "effectively"
get 17 or 18, there's no longer a 20 to go with it.

reckon blues will push for 12 and a swap of 3rds, and Tiges a swap of 2nds.

a lot depends on the strength of the draft after 12

 

[hench]

Jesus christ there is a lot of shit written in this thread thats not worth reading but for some stupid reason i have wasted the last 2 hours reading this crap.

Every thread in this sub forum is nonsense.

 

[El Topo]

Jesus christ there is a lot of shit written in this thread thats not worth reading but for some stupid reason i have wasted the last 2 hours reading this crap.

Richmond wont get #17 for Astbury, Even if they did it would include #31 going the other way, But Brisbane know that both Carlton and Richmond need to get this trade done so will only give up #21 even if they did take astbury - which i doubt will be done tbh

Let me just tell you people something, Why has carlton not traded their #20 to GWS for the 3/4 gws kids yet ??
Because the default trade is already clear , If these is no better outcome achieved then the deal is simple

#12 + # 31 Will go to Carlton
Yarran + # 20 Will go to Richmond

Making the trade Value for Yarran @ #18/#19 which Carlton and all the supporters were more than happy to accept when it was rumoured that Hawks were interested in him.

I just cant believe how much people think that what they post here is going to influence the outcome of this trade FMD

It's the obvious trade, but Carlton are still sorting out second rounders with the Bell deal to go through and trying to get the GWS crew with a pick in the 30s. If the Bell pick is between 20 and 30 the Blues would obviously rather that one be involved. Posters with good mail are suggesting that the GWS kids are a done deal so expect the state of play to become clear early in the week.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Jesus christ there is a lot of shit written in this thread thats not worth reading but for some stupid reason i have wasted the last 2 hours reading this crap.

Richmond wont get #17 for Astbury, Even if they did it would include #31 going the other way, But Brisbane know that both Carlton and Richmond need to get this trade done so will only give up #21 even if they did take astbury - which i doubt will be done tbh

Let me just tell you people something, Why has carlton not traded their #20 to GWS for the 3/4 gws kids yet ??
Because the default trade is already clear , If these is no better outcome achieved then the deal is simple

#12 + # 31 Will go to Carlton
Yarran + # 20 Will go to Richmond

Making the trade Value for Yarran @ #18/#19 which Carlton and all the supporters were more than happy to accept when it was rumoured that Hawks were interested in him.

I just cant believe how much people think that what they post here is going to influence the outcome of this trade FMD

Has always been a logical trade but for the sticking point where we were told 12 will not be involved at all.

As to why Blues haven't done the GWS deal, there is also the possibility that we want to use 12 or 17 for Tomlinson and are hoping that 12 would enable us to use our 3rd rounder or Bell pick for the others instead of 20.

 

[HARKER]

#12 + # 31 Will go to Carlton
Yarran + # 20 Will go to Richmond

Making the trade Value for Yarran @ #18/#19 which Carlton and all the supporters were more than happy to accept when it was rumoured that Hawks were interested in him.

I just cant believe how much people think that what they post here is going to influence the outcome of this trade FMD

I just can't believe that we're now using some fancy new points system to determine a trades value.

There's likely to be a good player at #12 and maybe not such a good player at #20 in this draft.
Carlton would be very happy with this deal as it slots right in to what we need to finish off some of our work.

I don't think Richmond will do it, unless nothing else happens for them or pressure comes on from elsewhere.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I just can't believe that we're now using some fancy new points system to determine a trades value.

There's likely to be a good player at #12 and maybe not such a good player at #20 in this draft.
Carlton would be very happy with this deal as it slots right in to what we need to finish off some of our work.

I don't think Richmond will do it, unless nothing else happens for them or pressure comes on from elsewhere.

There should be rated players at 20.

 

[HARKER]

There should be rated players at 20.

I'm not so sure. A 20 will likely be the 25th best player in the draft and there aren't too many good players involved.

Could be a 2011 draft where it had very slim pickings after about pick 17. GWS had the cream through their pre-selections and top order picks and left little for anyone else.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'm not so sure. A 20 will likely be the 25th best player in the draft and there aren't too many good players involved.

Could be a 2011 draft where it had very slim pickings after about pick 17. GWS had the cream through their pre-selections and top order picks and left little for anyone else.

So the draft is crap even getting towards 20 so 17 would have been a risk for us but you are worried the Tigers lose out in dealing a first rounder to us as they might not get anything good with the pick coming back.

So really they get a proven AFL talent in Yarran and keep their safe first rounder and we get a risky pick.

You are either saying we shouldn’t trade at all or telling Richmond to screw us over, not sure which.

 

[HARKER]

So the draft is crap even getting towards 20 so 17 would have been a risk for us but you are worried the Tigers lose out in dealing a first rounder to us as they might not get anything good with the pick coming back.

So really they get a proven AFL talent in Yarran and keep their safe first rounder and we get a risky pick.

You are either saying we shouldn’t trade at all or telling Richmond to screw us over, not sure which.

I'm discussing the relative use of these new numbers to determine a worthwhile trade.
That may be fine for us but clubs wouldn't be as silly as to use them as a gauge of an equitable trade.

If Richmond feel they could get the best of Yarran, then shell out the #12 and if they don't......then a #17 doesn't make it right either.....or whatever back-ended pick swaps....that's just posturing.

 

[TiggerMan22]

It says a bit that our entire midfield missed large chunks of games and with 23 games under his belt Griggg would still only come fifth in contested possessions.

I am impressed that he managed to lay a few tackle this year, doubling his average from last year. If memory serves he was playing to trigger a contract extension yes?

No. As a Carlton supporter I understand why you think every player only plays well to get another contract.
But you know at other clubs they play well to help the team.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'm discussing the relative use of these new numbers to determine a worthwhile trade.
That may be fine for us but clubs wouldn't be as silly as to use them as a gauge of an equitable trade.

If Richmond feel they could get the best of Yarran, then shell out the #12 and if they don't......then a #17 doesn't make it right either.....or whatever back-ended pick swaps....that's just posturing.

There you have it Tiges fans. Hand over pick 12 and stop posturing! ☺

 

[HARKER]

There you have it Tiges fans. Hand over pick 12 and stop posturing! ☺

Well, it's like that. Best of Yarran is well worth a #12 in this draft but a 2015 Yarran is worth #120
Geelong backed themselves handing over a future first round selection, with the confidence they're not picking up the 2015 Henderson. Bold but honest.

No juggling of points will make sense of a trade unless there is a particular need for those points in an Academy or F/S scenario.
I don't think Richmond will be open to handing over the #12 (effectively #15) though, as they know they'll get a good player at that pick but may likely be not so sure that there are good players around that #20 (effectively #25) mark.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Bottom line. If people think it is a weak draft, there is no point Carlton trading for anything around 20 and Yarran being a proven quality AFL player is more of a guarantee than anything outside the top 6-10 players in the draft.

I'd say both teams will lay odds to doing those pick swaps and backing recruiters in with 20 and 31 anyway.

 

[blaisee]

I am already sick of Yarran, and I hope he changes his mind and stays at Carlton. They can keep him and pay him $450k to play in the reserves

This has huge bust written all over it.

Only finished top 10 in the best fairest once in his career and dropped from the team that finished last.

Yet he is worth pick 12? Give me a spell. Much better options out there, younger with less baggage and less mental issues.

Pass.

 

[nineteen eighty]

And you base the value of a draft pick based on the quality of a crop coming through, there isnt any which is why everyone is happy to throw around first round draft picks for fringe players let alone proven ones.

I think it was Jake Niall from the age talk about how trades should be valued. If Yarran was to go into the draft this year, where would he get picked up?

Would he be a top 10 like a Treloar? Unlikely.

Would he go around the 12 mark? Unlikely.

Would he go around mid teens to late teens? Yeah I think so.

So the Tiges need to make the call as to whether they are prepared to part with 12 to get Yarran (assuming we aren't able to contrive a late teens selection). Based on language used by Richardson the other day, I don't think there is a doubt that if nothing else crops up, the Tiges will part with 12 for Yarran.

I think 12 is slightly overs for him. If we had 15+, I wouldn't really have an issue. So for the sake of 3 spots, it's not that big a deal IMO...unless we have someone in mind. Then it becomes a game between us and the Blues.

Now it could be an inspired choice as we have never had a gun small forward in our team. He won't be the missing link but could be a tremendous player for us. He is easily capable of 30 goals a year. We still need a big bodied inside mid...anyone know where we can get one of those?

And I piss myself laughing when some Blues supporters go on about keeping him. The Blues are a seller as much as the Tigers are a buyer. That's why we have a stalemate...as the Tiges know this. If the Tiges knew he was a required player, we more than likely would have already handed over 12.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I am already sick of Yarran, and I hope he changes his mind and stays at Carlton. They can keep him and pay him $450k to play in the reserves

This has huge bust written all over it.

Only finished top 10 in the best fairest once in his career and dropped from the team that finished last.

Yet he is worth pick 12? Give me a spell. Much better options out there, younger with less baggage and less mental issues.

Pass.

The biggest favour Richmond could do us is to walk away. We never wanted Yarran to go anywhere else and play well. If the Tigers walk away from him, he learns a valuable lesson about the grass not always being greener and knuckles down.

 

[blaisee]

The biggest favour Richmond could do us is to walk away. We never wanted Yarran to go anywhere else and play well. If the Tigers walk away from him, he learns a valuable lesson about the grass not always being greener and knuckles down.

completely agree, Richmond is much better off without this basket case, you can keep him.

Let it be so

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

And I piss myself laughing when some Blues supporters go on about keeping him. The Blues are a seller as much as the Tigers are a buyer. That's why we have a stalemate...as the Tiges know this. If the Tiges knew he was a required player, we more than likely would have already handed over 12.

Only a forced seller because he basically walked out on us. If he went about his normal business this year, do you think we'd be looking to trade him out, even for a late first rounder, rebuild or not? Not a chance.

We talked to him to get him to stay. We said he was required and in contract.

 

[blaisee]

We should totally walk away from this deal if its for pick 12.

Just wait 12 months and pick him up for free as a free agent.

Too risky for pick 12, just sit it out Blair.

 

[Kramer1]

No. As a Carlton supporter I understand why you think every player only plays well to get another contract.
But you know at other clubs they play well to help the team.

You are wrong, but let's not drift this thread any further.

 

[Rich01]

We should totally walk away from this deal if its for pick 12.

Just wait 12 months and pick him up for free as a free agent.

Too risky for pick 12, just sit it out Blair.

Won't work that way. Yarran could go either way if he stays at the blues. If he gets his head right he will cement his spot in the 22 and sign another contract. If he continues down his current path he will be playing twos most of the year and his flakiness exposed over a longer term.