Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[Stevi_Tigers]

From a neutral point of view I'd rate Yarran higher than Lennon.

lennon is a second year player who has shown a lot. most people in the industry say lennon>>> yarran

 

[Space Cadet]

For those saying Yarran isn't quality, in 2014 Yarran was one of our most consistent players. If you look at the bnf votes he came 4th, 4 votes behind Simpson who was 4 votes behind Murphy. The next best player was 20 votes below Yarran.
Here's a nice stat he had for the year :
"The West Australian was also extremely effective hitting targets in attack, with 41 per cent of his kicks inside 50 resulting in a Carlton mark, clearly the best percentage of the top 100 players for kicks inside 50"
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-08/your-teams-surprise-stats
Richmond aren't trading for him for his 2015 form (though I accept his value has decreased this year, he still holds good value)

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

From a neutral point of view I'd rate Yarran higher than Lennon.

Yarran is 4/5 years older than Lennon. That fact is very important not to forget. Half of Yarran's career is gone.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Both Lennon and pick 12 are overs.

But don't think you'll get away with giving up a shit second rounder and a twos player for a player who is contracted and of value.

If you can nab Brisbanes second rounder and maybe do us an upgrade in the 3rd/4th it'd be fairer. We can't afford to be pushed around when we don't need to.

a deal will get done were not Essendon. and we wouldn't be speaking to yarran if carlton didn't say we could benny gale and dan Richardson aren't morons. a deal will get done in some form only way I see lennon leaving isn't for yarran but a pick. has a shit load of talent but its his 2nd year and if he has cracked the shits about being dropped for the final he can piss off its a team sport

 

[Hagla]

lennon is a second year player who has shown a lot. most people in the industry say lennon>>> yarran

I wouldn't say he's shown a lot. Yarran and Lennon have very similar stats at the same age with Yarran being slightly better stat wise at the same point. Not only that but Yarran is a quick run and carry player which is a bit rarer than your average player. I'm not saying Yarran is a superstar but I think a change of scenery in a winning team could be just what the doctor ordered. He could also continue on with the same inconsistent career but it's no certainty that Lennon will be a become a better player either.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

I wouldn't say he's shown a lot. Yarran and Lennon have very similar stats at the same age with Yarran being slightly better stat wise at the same point. Not only that but Yarran is a quick run and carry player which is a bit rarer than your average player. I'm not saying Yarran is a superstar but I think a change of scenery in a winning team could be just what the doctor ordered. He could also continue on with the same inconsistent career but it's no certainty that Lennon will be a become a better player either.

That's not the point though Hagla. Let's agree they are close on ability with Yarran better right now. Richmond are only interested in 'adding significant extra' quality to their tilt towards a flag. Swapping Yarran/Lennon is very close to pointless in terms of net gain. Yes, Yarran is slightly better next year on what he has shown but jury would be out for 2017-19 as Lennon hits his strides.

 

[Hagla]

That's not the point though Hagla. Let's agree they are close on ability with Yarran better right now. Richmond are only interested in 'adding significant extra' quality to their tilt towards a flag. Swapping Yarran/Lennon is very close to pointless in terms of net gain. Yes, Yarran is slightly better next year on what he has shown but jury would be out for 2017-19 as Lennon hits his strides.

Yeah maybe I'm overrating just how much a change of scenery could help Yarran then, because I don't see them being close in output next year. I think he could go to a level that would have quite a few people questioning whether or not Lennon could get there. Anyway, I guess all I'm really trying to say is that I don't think Richmond would regret trading for Yarran and I don't think pick 12 or Lennon would be massive overs. If we had anything left to give in a trade I'd like him at Collingwood but since I know I'll overrate our players and make myself look stupid if I try to come up with what I think a fair trade to Collingwood would be, I won't even try.

 

[Hagla]

*Having said that, I do pick Yarran in fantasy footy every year only to drop him by about round 5

 

[doona]

I would say, as an impartial verdict that Yarran for Lennon would be a win/win.

Richmond get Yarran, who with a change of scenery could add to their finals window with their current list. Carlton would get Lennon, a quality youngster that cant quite break into the richmond team on a permanent basis but has the potential to be quality. Especially when their next window will be when lennon is hitting his straps, rather then when yarran is over the hill.

 

[Keystone agony]

Some are saying that richmond need to offer more than just Lennon. Alot of richmond fans crying wolf over that.

As a neutral id also value Yarran more. Must say didnt get to see too much of Lennon in the last 8 games he played though.

I think Yarran for Lennon straight swap is pretty bloody fair both sides. Let's not get pedantic over minscure amounts of being over or under when both sides are arguing their own way. Remember the media is talking up that a 3rd round pick needs to be added and also that Lennon could walk to the PSD. It seems Carlton are now 3rd in line for Carlisle behind Saints/Dogs without the hawks/freo showing their hand yet

 

[Blue_sunday]

Should make an interesting trade week....

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Some are saying that richmond need to offer more than just Lennon. Alot of richmond fans crying wolf over that.

Is that what 'crying wolf' means?

Let's not get pedantic over minscure amounts of being over or under when both sides are arguing their own way.

Minscure?

 

[RichoRocks2006]

I'm guessing anyone who is saying Lennon for Yarran is fair didnt see his last 8 weeks. Should Lennon have played to his previous output over that period, even that I would consider overs for Yarran considering he is a former pick 12 2 years in the system. His last 2 months were super impressive, I believe dropping him was a major contributing factor to us losing to North. Our attack was breaking down at hf/attacking wing where lennon was averaging 6/7 marks per game. His hands are elite, his kicking is elite, we have put a lot of work into getting his body and mind to were it needs to be. I will be super P*ssed off if we dont get to realise the return on investment! Pay the kid marginal overs Tiges, he will be worth it in a year or 2.

 

[Colonel]

Can Carlton please keep Yarran?

 

[Heisenberg_]

As I said there's a reason the likes of Lennon and pick 12 are even being spoke about. As well as the reported contracts being offered being over 450k.

He's a need for you, I don't agree pick 12 is fair but a crappy pick and an average KPF won't cut it quite frankly.

The reason Lennon and pick 12 is spoken is delusion. Because not a hole in hell he is worth that much or Richmind will offer that much.

 

[The full package]

Carlton are in a tough position, he had a bad 2015, he is contracted but that doesn't seem to mean jack these days. He's a restricted free agent at the end of 2016 so Carlton have the pressure to get a deal done and the final ingredient we know his best is good but I don't think he is a A grader like Judd was. I still think his value is a second round draft pick. I would rather not trade Lennon for Yaz unless there is something we don't know about as Lennon has the same amount of quality about him.

 

[HBF]

If lennon was to leave which i doubt happens it would be a straight swap. Also asbury might be going to Brisbane with our second pick also meaning we get there pick at around pck 20 which is fair for yarran

I would do that as well. It would be a win win for both clubs and the players.

 

[calman]

Carlton are in a tough position, he had a bad 2015, he is contracted but that doesn't seem to mean jack these days. He's a restricted free agent at the end of 2016 so Carlton have the pressure to get a deal done and the final ingredient we know his best is good but I don't think he is a A grader like Judd was. I still think his value is a second round draft pick. I would rather not trade Lennon for Yaz unless there is something we don't know about as Lennon has the same amount of quality about him.

The bit in bold says why richmond will have to deal with 1st round pick or decent player
This is acknowledged as a weak draft
Next years draft is considered a strong one
As yarran is contracted , richmond will need to make a better offer this year than what carlton would get as compo for a restricted free agent in the 2016 draft, or carlton can just keep him and get a compo pick in 2016
while yarran watches richmond play finals in 2016 from the stands
We are not in a flag window, so time on carlton side
richmond playing finals and yarran adds quality to thier side , ( provided his head is right)

 

[HBF]

The reason Lennon and pick 12 is spoken is delusion. Because not a hole in hell he is worth that much or Richmind will offer that much.

I don't think anyone thinks Lennon and #12 would need to get the deal done. But if Lennon wants to come to Carlton then I think its a fair deal.

 

[captain cotch 9]

If Lennon played the final would anyone be talking about him leaving Richmond? IMO no...
He will re-sign imo.

 

[HBF]

If Lennon played the final would anyone be talking about him leaving Richmond? IMO no...
He will re-sign imo.

Well he didn't play and he is yet to sign. Any player who is out of contract this time of year is open to speculation.

 

[captain cotch 9]

Well he didn't play and he is yet to sign. Any player who is out of contract this time of year is open to speculation.

We also have Shaun Grigg out of contract?
Want him back for Yarren?

 

[HBF]

We also have Shaun Grigg out of contract?
Want him back for Yarren?

No thanks.

 

[DrMike]

I don't think anyone thinks Lennon and #12 would need to get the deal done. But if Lennon wants to come to Carlton then I think its a fair deal.

He has a number of offers in front of him, not just Carlton

 

[juss]

I don't think anyone thinks Lennon and #12 would need to get the deal done. But if Lennon wants to come to Carlton then I think its a fair deal.

Richmond won't trade Lennon unless he wants to leave. If he does, then he might be involved in the Yarran trade, but imo we'd be getting screwed in a straight swap. Lennon will be a much better player than Yarran.