Injury Christian Petracca's injury - A disgrace he was allowed to come back on the field

[BringFevBack2021]

No, I think people should have some trust in the processes and experts put in place when they clearly don’t have the knowledge.

If there’s things they can do better I’m sure they’ll do them. They are medical professionals and they do the job for a reason.

I don’t think they owe an explanation to footy nuffies in the media or on the internet who don’t actually understand the role and actually don’t know how it played out.

Yeah okay so don’t contribute to any discussion ever again unless you have complete context and knowledge? I dunno man, I think it’s good to speculate and discuss with a grain of salt

Of course we are missing context and are speculating but what is overly apparent is that this was a life threatening injury and the guard rails of the AFL were insufficient in properly protecting him

 

[Muddiemoose]

Maybe they just got it wrong. Doctors get things wrong all the time, they’re just doing the best they can. They don’t get hanged for it unless there clear evidence they were actually trying to do harm, which is incredibly rare.

If clubs have issues or need to make changes with their employees (doctors, players) etc then that’s their call, I’ve got no problem with that.

But it’s the one area of footy where people clearly know absolutely **** all, yet there’s nonstop commentary about what should happen… new measures to put in place, everything.

Medicine is a highly complex and specialised field.

If the doctors, club and the player themselves are okay with how it all took place, how is it anybody else’s place to make comment?

The doctors know their role and their ethical obligations. Petracca pretty clearly insisted on going back on the field and coach put him out there.

What’s the doctor supposed to do?

Cigarettes slowly kill people, but it’s not a doctor’s role to follow you around and rip them out of a patient’s gob.

I think the doctors probably know their role far better than all the nuffies commenting.

This is how I see it, no doubt the doctor even suspected a fractured or broken rib at the very least and relayed that to Christian along with other possible injury outcomes but as it’s been highlighted it’s not uncommon for players to play with similar issues (May, Cox and Howe off the top of my head with plenty of other examples) so if that was the diagnosis of the doctor based on all the evidence at the time I really don’t see the issue, once he went back out and continued to struggle they realised it was worse than initially suspected and he was taken to hospital for further assessment

 

[Hollow Knight]

I think the doctors probably know their role far better than all the nuffies commenting.

Could apply the same “nuffie” benchmark to any discussion here of coaching, playing ability, tactics, tribunals, commentary, sports journalism, broadcast rights, guernsey design, administration of football clubs, legal issues, drafting, trading, stadium management and marketing.

You solved it. Close BigFooty down. It’s all pointless.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

This is how I see it, no doubt the doctor even suspected a fractured or broken rib at the very least and relayed that to Christian along with other possible injury outcomes but as it’s been highlighted it’s not uncommon for players to play with similar issues (May, Cox and Howe off the top of my head with plenty of other examples) so if that was the diagnosis of the doctor based on all the evidence at the time I really don’t see the issue, once he went back out and continued to struggle they realised it was worse than initially suspected and he was taken to hospital for further assessment

If we operate purely on precedent we will never progress

“It’s always been done that way”

 

[Hollow Knight]

No, I think people should have some trust in the processes and experts put in place when they clearly don’t have the knowledge.

“Whatever it takes?” ring any bells?

 

[Muddiemoose]

If we operate purely on precedent we will never progress

“It’s always been done that way”

If it isn’t broke, why fix it?

I’m curious as to the actual process that you want in place?

After every big bump or soreness a player automatically gets subbed out of the game so they can be scanned just in case?
Pain is subjective so what is the threshold that we can universally apply to these incidents in determining who gets substituted and who doesn’t

 

[BringFevBack2021]

If it isn’t broke, why fix it?

I’m curious as to the actual process that you want in place?

After every big bump or soreness a player automatically gets subbed out of the game so they can be scanned just in case?
Pain is subjective so what is the threshold that we can universally apply to these incidents in determining who gets substituted and who doesn’t

To answer your first point, you can always make it better - the first IC engine worked so why “fix it”?

Secondly, you don’t diagnose a broken rib with imaging, the doctors have an extremely high level of confidence based on initial observations. Stethoscopes, localised pain and other observations can be used to make this diagnosis. If in doubt, rule em out.

Your thorax is compromised when your ribs are broken, so are all the organs behind them. Those organs are pretty important too.

Fairly simple I would’ve thought?

 

[Toump Ass]

Could apply the same “nuffie” benchmark to any discussion here of coaching, playing ability, tactics, tribunals, commentary, sports journalism, broadcast rights, guernsey design, administration of football clubs, legal issues, drafting, trading, stadium management and marketing.

I can watch a football match and make judgements on the commentary I hear and the guernseys being worn, I can form an opinion on the skills I see the players demonstrate.

I've got absolutely no idea what tests the medical team did or didn't perform, or what was said between Christian and the doctors.

I also don't think sports journalism is quite as complicated as medical science. They are probably not comparable.

 

[Muddiemoose]

To answer your first point, you can always make it better - the first IC engine worked so why “fix it”?

Secondly, you don’t diagnose a broken rib with imaging, the doctors have an extremely high level of confidence based on initial observations. Stethoscopes, localised pain and other observations can be used to make this diagnosis. If in doubt, rule em out.

Your thorax is compromised when your ribs are broken, so are all the organs behind them. Those organs are pretty important too.

Fairly simple I would’ve thought?

So in 2017 you aren’t happy that Cripps played 6 games with broken ribs?

 

[BringFevBack2021]

So in 2017 you aren’t happy that Cripps played 6 games with broken ribs?

Clearly not based on the above? Why does my supported club of choice even come into the equation? My opinions are not representative of the sum of their actions.

Weird post

 

[Hollow Knight]

I can watch a football match and make judgements on the commentary I hear and the guernseys being worn, I can form an opinion on the skills I see the players demonstrate.

I've got absolutely no idea what tests the medical team did or didn't perform, or what was said between Christian and the doctors.

I also don't think sports journalism is quite as complicated as medical science. They are probably not comparable.

I can watch a football match where a player is allowed to come back on the field to play with medical issues that end up with him spending multiple days in the ICU ward and then ponder if/what processes have failed.

I don’t think you need a medical degree to have your eyebrows raised by this story, just like you don’t need a MBA to discuss the financial performance of your club, or need to be a QC to discuss a tribunal outcome.

You’ve kind of missed the broad point. This is a forum where 98 percent of discussion is people commenting, critiquing or speculating on things done by people more credentialed than them. We know that going in.

There is nothing inappropriate or unique about the discussion in this thread.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

You’ve kind of missed the broad point. This is a forum where 98 percent of discussion is people commenting, critiquing or speculating on things done by people more credentialed than them. We know that going in.

There is nothing inappropriate or unique about the discussion in this thread.

It’s pretty straightforward I would’ve thought. Unless everyone here is a total nihilist in which case why are they on a forum of any description to begin with?

 

[The Hobo]

Good luck finding 9 doctors to essentially do this over the weekend. We don't even have full time umpires, or the same setup for goal reviews at each ground. I just don't think there's enough money in the game that can afford this.

Those doctors are going to have their own practices to attend during the week, and are unlikely to be employed full time by the AFL.

Ridiculous to suggest the AFL couldn't find 9 doctors to do some hours on the weekend. The doctors wouldn't need to be employed full time by the AFL.

There is more than enough money in the game to afford 9 doctors for 3 hours a week. Even if they were paid $3000 per game, that's $27k a round. Let's round it up to $30k. If the AFL can't afford that, we have big big issues. And that's being very generous on the pay - much higher than club doctors currently make if you look at it on a per hour basis.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Clearly not based on the above? Why does my supported club of choice even come into the equation? My opinions are not representative of the sum of their actions.

Weird post

It’s to highlight how common it is for players to play with rib injuries even after a formal diagnosis and the risk evaluated by medical professionals and not just a call made on gameday and players themselves would also be clearly explained of the risks involved , I dare say afl lists will need at least 10 extra spots per team if we are scrubbing players with similar injury’s

 

[VinnieB]

I can watch a football match and make judgements on the commentary I hear and the guernseys being worn, I can form an opinion on the skills I see the players demonstrate.

I've got absolutely no idea what tests the medical team did or didn't perform, or what was said between Christian and the doctors.

I also don't think sports journalism is quite as complicated as medical science. They are probably not comparable.

The simple 'eye' test suggested there was something seriously wrong around the rib cage area. He could have been pulled after the 1st contest when he came back on. He looked like he was seriously hurt.

 

[VinnieB]

It’s to highlight how common it is for players to play with rib injuries even after a formal diagnosis and the risk evaluated by medical professionals and not just a call made on gameday and players themselves would also be clearly explained of the risks involved , I dare say afl lists will need at least 10 extra spots per team if we are scrubbing players with similar injury’s

So what was the formal diagnosis?

 

[BringFevBack2021]

It’s to highlight how common it is for players to play with rib injuries even after a formal diagnosis and the risk evaluated by medical professionals and not just a call made on gameday and players themselves would also be clearly explained of the risks involved , I dare say afl lists will need at least 10 extra spots per team if we are scrubbing players with similar injury’s

Look man, I’m a layman with an interest in the human anatomy and how things interface with eachother. When Trac got hit there my immediate concern was internal bleeding, I refuse to believe a doctor was unable to suspect that in addition to the easily diagnosable broken ribs.

Richmond were clearly suspect of internal damage when Dusty injured his kidney. He was ruled out despite their substitute being used already.

I’m not suggesting the Melbourne medicos are incompetent I just don’t understand those that are completely okay with how the situation was handled. If he copped one big hit to that area after the initial injury we could be having a far more somber conversation today.

 

[bzparkes]

That question can easily be answered by a thorough read of the rule book

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The same one that let off Hall, Cotchin, Maynard, etc?

 

[Toffee Lion]

I can watch a football match and make judgements on the commentary I hear and the guernseys being worn, I can form an opinion on the skills I see the players demonstrate.

I've got absolutely no idea what tests the medical team did or didn't perform, or what was said between Christian and the doctors.

I also don't think sports journalism is quite as complicated as medical science. They are probably not comparable.

I'm sure you held this same view point when speculation was rife about what Dayne Zorko said to Petty to make him cry.

As you said, we all had absolutely no idea, right? So surely you wouldn't engage in discourse without information?

 

[windyhill]

Mark of the man to come back on. The pain would’ve been ridiculous. See you next year Trac.

 

[Osho]

Because she was sleeping on my arm

Bite it off and sneak away.

 

[Taylor]

Mark of the man to come back on. The pain would’ve been ridiculous. See you next year Trac.

This is the story out of this all for me, what a warrior.

 

[The 747]

Ridiculous to suggest the AFL couldn't find 9 doctors to do some hours on the weekend. The doctors wouldn't need to be employed full time by the AFL.

There is more than enough money in the game to afford 9 doctors for 3 hours a week. Even if they were paid $3000 per game, that's $27k a round. Let's round it up to $30k. If the AFL can't afford that, we have big big issues. And that's being very generous on the pay - much higher than club doctors currently make if you look at it on a per hour basis.

Well the AFL would need to find nine doctors who are in the boys club and willing to take direction when required.

 

[Kappa]

They really couldn't diagnose a punctured lung? SURELY they could've tested that he wasn't breathing properly?

 

[The Hobo]

They really couldn't diagnose a punctured lung? SURELY they could've tested that he wasn't breathing properly?

If you've ever copped a big knee to the ribs, it's difficult to get a full breath of air in even without a punctured lung.
The punctured lung is said to have been relatively minor - the spleen copped the brunt of the impact and there's no real way to diagnose that without equipment.

It's easy to criticise the doctors (and I agree they deserve some in this instance) - but the criticism isn't based on not being able to diagnose the punctured lung or lacerated spleen, it's based on not identifying that he was generally unwell and unfit to continue.