Injury Christian Petracca's injury - A disgrace he was allowed to come back on the field

[Gavin Excell]

They really couldn't diagnose a punctured lung? SURELY they could've tested that he wasn't breathing properly?

Possibly not on the boundary line without an xray

 

[Gavin Excell]

If you've ever copped a big knee to the ribs, it's difficult to get a full breath of air in even without a punctured lung.
The punctured lung is said to have been relatively minor - the spleen copped the brunt of the impact and there's no real way to diagnose that without equipment.

It's easy to criticise the doctors (and I agree they deserve some in this instance) - but the criticism isn't based on not being able to diagnose the punctured lung or lacerated spleen, it's based on not identifying that he was generally unwell and unfit to continue.

How long was he on the field before he/they pulled the plug?

 

[GFrost35]

He has been moved to the Alfred… this is fing serious!
Disgraceful.

 

[Toump Ass]

Hopefully the AFL takes this seriously and enforces a rule where all players must receive an x-ray, MRI and colonoscopy before they re-enter the field after a bump.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

So we get fined a squillion dollars, and rightly so, for sending a bloke back out who had a head knock that may, as a result, one day develop CTE.
Yet Trac could have died from playing on after having his spleen torn off and the AFL give it the tick of approval.

 

[RAPPA]

Some hindsight heroes here. So if Trac didn’t sustain the injuries he did from the same incident would there be the outcry or just lauding him for his bravery? Either way, he was acutely aware of the pain he was in and could have at that time elected to return to the ground. At some point the adult needs to bear some responsibility.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Some hindsight heroes here. So if Trac didn’t sustain the injuries he did from the same incident would there be the outcry or just lauding him for his bravery? Either way, he was acutely aware of the pain he was in and could have at that time elected to return to the ground. At some point the adult needs to bear some responsibility.

So a concussed player can say im right to go too then yeah?
And that should clear the club of responsibility yeah?

 

[12kilos]

its a ruthless game a game of gladiators
Brereton , Dipierdemenico in grand finals are 2 other examples. there is many more
It Happened and it will happen again
No blame to the Melbourne medicos , the desicion would have been Petraccas .
Petracca too me proved , he has a heart as big as the MCG.
Balls of steel a true warior , but an unfortunate outcome.
Our game is ruthless, thats the beauty of it
Respect to the Collingwood players for not targeting his ribs when he came back on the field, which imho they could have.

 

[Xtreme]

This is a bit of an after the event/benefit of hindsight thread
They wouldn't have known at the time the extent of the injury and may have thought he could run it out

He should have come off after 1 minute if that was the case. Melbourne are a horribly run organisation.

 

[Kappa]

Hopefully the AFL takes this seriously and enforces a rule where all players must receive an x-ray, MRI and colonoscopy before they re-enter the field after a bump.

Perhaps only for players who have to crawl off the field they're in so much agony.

 

[Dustland_fairytale]

Ridiculous to suggest the AFL couldn't find 9 doctors to do some hours on the weekend. The doctors wouldn't need to be employed full time by the AFL.

There is more than enough money in the game to afford 9 doctors for 3 hours a week. Even if they were paid $3000 per game, that's $27k a round. Let's round it up to $30k. If the AFL can't afford that, we have big big issues. And that's being very generous on the pay - much higher than club doctors currently make if you look at it on a per hour basis.

I work with many trauma/ED docs that i reckon would be up for this - plus give them some portable USS machines (their favourite pieces of equipment) and they would be fast scanning everything. Watching the CP incident it was only ever going to be a bad injury - car crash level - scary to think of how bad this could have got very quickly!


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[RAPPA]

So a concussed player can say im right to go too then yeah?
And that should clear the club of responsibility yeah?

There’s a big difference between a head knock - in which now, any such contact is under scrutiny and a test can be administered - as against a body knock. Don’t dramatize.

 

[Toump Ass]

Perhaps only for players who have to crawl off the field they're in so much agony.

But that would be really unfair to all the marshmallows who aren't tough like Christian Petracca.

So we get fined a squillion dollars, and rightly so, for sending a bloke back out who had a head knock that may, as a result, one day develop CTE.

$100,000 actually, so just short of a squillion.
Also, you probably wouldn't have been fined if you hadn't already ignored concussion protocols several times before.

Pretty sure this is the first time we've sent someone out with a ruptured spleen, happy be corrected on that though.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

But that would be really unfair to all the marshmallows who aren't tough like Christian Petracca.


$100,000 actually, so just short of a squillion.
Also, you probably wouldn't have been fined if you hadn't already ignored concussion protocols several times before.

Pretty sure this is the first time we've sent someone out with a ruptured spleen, happy be corrected on that though.

Without googling, Lloyd at least

Dusty with a kidney, too - he was immediately taken from the field post injury with near identical post incident behaviours and ruled out even though Richmond had already used their sub

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Yeah okay so don’t contribute to any discussion ever again unless you have complete context and knowledge? I dunno man, I think it’s good to speculate and discuss with a grain of salt

Of course we are missing context and are speculating but what is overly apparent is that this was a life threatening injury and the guard rails of the AFL were insufficient in properly protecting him

Could apply the same “nuffie” benchmark to any discussion here of coaching, playing ability, tactics, tribunals, commentary, sports journalism, broadcast rights, guernsey design, administration of football clubs, legal issues, drafting, trading, stadium management and marketing.

You solved it. Close BigFooty down. It’s all pointless.

People’s knowledge and opinions on footy varies.

I think it’s safe to say that medicine is a far different beast in terms of importance, expertise, sensitivity, ethics and professionalism.

I wouldn’t put medicine in the same bucket as footy when it comes to laymen’s opinions. You might.

Nuffies have absolutely no idea and I’m comfortable saying that on medical issues. It’s between him and his doctor, and maybe the club as their employer. All the opinions from people who wouldn’t have the slightest clue doesn’t change that. Doctors know their role.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

"Is he dead?"

"No, I can feel a pulse"

"Well....get him back out there....snap snap....let's ****ing go!"

"Yes, Simon"

 

[mxett]

After given pain relief. The guy has four broken ribs, a punctured lung and lacerated spleen. Like they wouldn't have known the extent of his injury after he was given the all clear to come back on the field. Win at all costs is all clubs care about and not the players well being.

A disgrace.

fair chance his ribs were fracture and spleen lacerated in the impact, and by playing on his ribs moved and punctured his lung. I cant imagine he would have been able to play with an existing pneumothorax.

Rib fracture and solid organ injury can be difficult to diagnose without imaging

 

[mxett]

I think it's something that we should learn from.

I don't think that it's out of the question that you could have imaging equipment at AFL grounds. The Tour de France for example have a portable x-ray machine in one of their buses. They are relatively small, just basically wheel them out.

true, but obviously wouldnt have seen his lacerated spleen. A colleague of mine used to perform plain imaging at the moto GP on Philip Island

 

[mxett]

Oh I know. But you can diagnose fractured rips and a punctured lung from an xray.

clinically he would have been short of breath if he had a pneumothorax at the time, so I cant imagine he would have been able to run at anything more than a slow jog. I'd say his pneumothorax developed after he went back on the field and displaced the ends of the fractured ribs

 

[Fadge]

What were Collingwood's crowds like the last time they had a stint at the bottom?

N/A

The Magpies don't do stints at the bottom.

 

[Consolaçao]

The real question is, why would the Melbourne Football Club attempt to murder their best player? Life insurance payout probably.

 

[fusion]

Without googling, Lloyd at least

Dusty with a kidney, too - he was immediately taken from the field post injury with near identical post incident behaviours and ruled out even though Richmond had already used their sub

Can't remember the name of the player, but had a really serious kidney injury and needed emergency surgery. Played for Geelong I think (more recently than Sam Newman). And Leigh Colbert had a pancreas injury.

Contrast that to the number of concussions, or ACLs that occur, and thankfully it's not too common.

Edit - just remember Phil Davis also had a very serious kidney injury needing surgery. Played out the game, but felt unwell afterwards.

 

[Kipz]

Anyone else think the card Darcy gave him was pretty nice? Love the culture Fly has created.

 

[Kipz]

Can't remember the name of the player, but had a really serious kidney injury and needed emergency surgery. Played for Geelong I think (more recently than Sam Newman). And Leigh Colbert had a pancreas injury.

Contrast that to the number of concussions, or ACLs that occur, and thankfully it's not too common.

Edit - just remember Phil Davis also had a very serious kidney injury needing surgery. Played out the game, but felt unwell afterwards.

Lonergan

 

[Lockyer24]

This is a bit of an after the event/benefit of hindsight thread
They wouldn't have known at the time the extent of the injury and may have thought he could run it out

Disagree. He was dead set ratshit at QT and it was obvious