Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

[Kurve]

Here is
- Claremont Murders - Part One and Part Two
- Media
- The Bunker
- Hey Bret? Stalking Claremont the book.
- Justice Hall's Decision 619 pgs

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

Justice Hall didn't entirely dismiss the probability BRE killed Sarah Spiers. He said there was not evidence beyond reasonable doubt, but that it was possible, indeed probable BRE had done so.

In legal speak there are two different tests. Beyond Reasonable Doubt, and On the Balance of Probabilities

On the balance of probabilities is allowed in a number of laws where beyond reasonable doubt isn't mandated.

When Hall used the word probable it was deliberate and was strongly hinting the Balance of Probabilities criteria had been met. That is enough for all sorts of legal options.

For example in the New Zealand Bain family murder case, the accused was acquitted on a retrial, but when he tried to get compensation for the time served he didn't get any because on the balance of probabilities he was guilty. (Though he was paid out money to stop being a nuisance but it wasn't in any way compensation for being imprisoned)

Oh hall knows he did it but legally speaking he cannot say it.

 

[JezzaPerth]

Oh hall knows he did it but legally speaking he cannot say it.

In the format of this trial and W.A. law it is not a judgement option for him. If it was Scottish law he could also come up with a not proven verdict. In a civil case, say the parents of Sarah Spiers sued BRE for damages, he could judge that as well.

I'm not full bottle on it, but there is now the possibility of a Coroner's investigation on Sarah Spiers which may come to a conclusion about BRE that doesn't require beyond reasonable doubt.

As I said, I'm not full bottle, and it's not clear if a coronial inquiry will be needed after the judgement today that she is dead.

 

[Eaglette01]

Rifle and baseball bat under BRE's bed - there we go - ONE QUESTION ANSWERED BY WIFE 1's LOVER

edit: aluminium baseball bat to be precise

 

[javaguice]

Really want to know what was in his bedroom that spooked the other bloke so bad.

Also why the wife/gf was stopped by Hall when on the stand during her questioning.

Sandwich bag full of jizz?

I can handle my, but if a dude had a sandwich bag full of jizz.... I don't actually know what I would do.

Enough to scare any man

 

[FeelingThroaty]

I think it went over their head when very early in the investigation it was reported that Ferguson drew a line with his finger on the map between the Eglington and Wellard and said "mirrored sites, the only thing we have to go on" or something similar. We know what that meant.

This is not over for alot of us I imagine. A guilty verdict was expected but without any answers to go with it, are we any further along than we were yesterday. Not in my eyes. I feel sadder today than I have in a long time. I want answers. I want to know what happened. Theres no closure just because he was found guilty. He knew he was guilty. He needs to be stripped naked and left in a 2x2 room without anything at all except a tree branch for cover until he confesses and explains exactly what happened to get each girl in his car and where Sarah is.
I will be so annoyed if he gets knocked before we know exactly what happened & how it came to be that the girls were in his car to begin with.

One eye spy, I so agree with everything you have said.

 

[javaguice]

It’s not uncommon for men who see sex workers to go for something completely different to what they do in their personal lives (as in, almost opposing). For the same reason it has never surprised me that the women Edwards abducted and killed looked completely different to his partners. There is actually a psychology behind it that has been studied, although I’ve never read the literature.

I think his first wife really broke him.

He was borderline before her, but I reckon she broke him and the unfortunate girls were an avenue for retribution.

 

[Deva]

Really want to know what was in his bedroom that spooked the other bloke so bad.

Also why the wife/gf was stopped by Hall when on the stand during her questioning.

The boyfriend said tonight on channel 9 that BRE had a rifle and baseball bat under his bed, that’s what he was afraid of.

 

[Chameleon75]

I think his first wife really broke him.

He was borderline before her, but I reckon she broke him and the unfortunate girls were an avenue for retribution.

he’s been snow dropping since he was a teenager, nobody “broke” him.

 

[javaguice]

he’s been snow dropping since he was a teenager, nobody “broke” him.

Borderline... ie a weird campaigner but not a murderer.

My opinion.

 

[Chameleon75]

Borderline... ie a weird campaigner but not a murderer.

My opinion.

And yet broke into a girls home and assaulted her before he knew his wife.

He’s a psychopath, those characteristics are established before adulthood. It’s just a tired old trope, that when a guys killing women, there must still be a women that’s ultimately to blame.

 

[javaguice]

And yet broke into a girls home and assaulted her before he knew his wife.

He’s a psychopath, those characteristics are established before adulthood. It’s just a tired old trope, that when a guys killing women, there must still be a women that’s ultimately to blame.

That wouldn't explain why he didn't kill the 18yo or the karrakatta victim.

Maybe the escalation was due to something internal.

Again... my opinion.

 

[Willow weeps]

Wow, Jane told a friend she was going to meet a friend named Bogsy that night

 

[javaguice]

And yet broke into a girls home and assaulted her before he knew his wife.

He’s a psychopath, those characteristics are established before adulthood. It’s just a tired old trope, that when a guys killing women, there must still be a women that’s ultimately to blame.

Cheating partners can really mess with your head. The dishonesty and conniving behavior will do strange things.

That's reality, not tired old tripe. In my opinion

 

[javaguice]

Wow, Jane told a friend she was going to meet a friend named Bogsy that night

Where's this?

 

[JezzaPerth]

That wouldn't explain why he didn't kill the 18yo or the karrakatta victim.

Maybe the escalation was due to something internal.

Again... my opinion.

Maybe when push came to shove he couldn't get the bottle at Karrakatta?

And for the later ones he'd had seen more trigger material (this is internet 0.1 but still full of shit) and got pushed over the edge.

Also, he clearly has some mental pathology, so perhaps it was stronger in the killing period?

 

[Willow weeps]

And yet broke into a girls home and assaulted her before he knew his wife.

He’s a psychopath, those characteristics are established before adulthood. It’s just a tired old trope, that when a guys killing women, there must still be a women that’s ultimately to blame.

& don't forget he cheated with her when she was his coworker's gf. He wasn't broken at all by any woman

 

[Willow weeps]

Where's this?

She was on channel 7 news tonight. They were only now able to release that tonight

 

[Belnakor]

I understand that and having a glimmer of hope after all is said and done might be agreeable for him to spill the beans.

However I found it strange that a Premier would say that when he had been found not guilty of the murder of Sarah (as opposed to if he was found guilty when the comment wouldn't be controversial). By saying what he did, the Premier is inferring that the court got it wrong and it could be interpreted as meddling in the affairs of the legal profession which I thought was a huge no no on the part of politicians.

mate were you not across the way he rushed through the clive palmer stuff? he has zero respect for the courts.

 

[Belnakor]

18000 suspects and BRE wasn't on any list in-spite of trying to rape a woman at work. in claremont.

This on top of them not linking the rape to the murders until someone external came in and told them.

seriously the WA cops are on another planet. Only caught this bloke from complete dumb luck.

 

[javaguice]

18000 suspects and BRE wasn't on any list in-spite of trying to rape a woman at work. in claremont.

This on top of them not linking the rape to the murders until someone external came in and told them.

seriously the WA cops are on another planet. Only caught this bloke from complete dumb luck.

Telstra really stuffed up by not having him on the list of vs drivers. What a terrible error. He would have been on the map in 1998

 

[Chameleon75]

Cheating partners can really mess with your head. The dishonesty and conniving behavior will do strange things.

That's reality, not tired old tripe. In my opinion

He’s a psychopath, they have shallow emotions, this wasn’t done to him. He escalated over time and got bolder.

It was in one of the articles today, that the last edit of the chloe story was 4 days before his arrest. Violent sexual themes are what gets him off.

 

[zacz]

She was on channel 7 news tonight. They were only now able to release that tonight

Unless there is a police report or statement of this from years ago I wouldn't put too much stock in it. I'm not saying that she is lying but after so many years its easy to 'remember' things once you hear something that may not have happened (or may have happened slightly differently).

 

[javaguice]

He’s a psychopath, they have shallow emotions, this wasn’t done to him. He escalated over time and got bolder.

It was in one of the articles today, that the last edit of the chloe story was 4 days before his arrest. Violent sexual themes are what gets him off.

I'm not arguing against any of that (except it was 8 days).... but not all psychopaths are murderers.

 

[BFew]

Wow, Jane told a friend she was going to meet a friend named Bogsy that night

See the bunker for the West's article on this tonight

 

[Chameleon75]

I'm not arguing against any of that (except it was 8 days).... but not all psychopaths are murderers.

Yes and very few heartbroken men become serial killers.