Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

[Kurve]

Here is
- Claremont Murders - Part One and Part Two
- Media
- The Bunker
- Hey Bret? Stalking Claremont the book.
- Justice Hall's Decision 619 pgs

 

[Hai_Newman]

You know whats really sad, Jane telling her friend that meeting Boggsy was a genuine reason to trust and stay,
he obviously impressed her enough for her to hang around...then he killed with no mercy.

That's as evil as it comes.

 

[javaguice]

She was on channel 7 news tonight. They were only now able to release that tonight

Stunning new claim Claremont victim Jane Rimmer 'knew her killer'

Jane Rimmer may have known the man who, on Thursday, was convicted of killing her: Bradley Robert Edwards.

7news.com.au

 

[Priddis Is Done]

18000 suspects and BRE wasn't on any list in-spite of trying to rape a woman at work. in claremont.

This on top of them not linking the rape to the murders until someone external came in and told them.

seriously the WA cops are on another planet. Only caught this bloke from complete dumb luck.

His fellow daily workmate, they worked in pairs, interrogated hard... yet they completely passed over him.

 

[javaguice]

Secret lover of Claremont killer's first wife speaks out

www.google.com

 

[BFew]

His fellow daily workmate, they worked in pairs, interrogated hard... yet they completely passed over him.

Remind me the year that they interviewed this workmate?
Is there a media article on this?

 

[BFew]

18000 suspects and BRE wasn't on any list in-spite of trying to rape a woman at work. in claremont.
This on top of them not linking the rape to the murders until someone external came in and told them.
seriously the WA cops are on another planet. Only caught this bloke from complete dumb luck.

Pretty unbelievable isn't it.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Remind me the year that they interviewed this workmate?
Is there a media article on this?

No article.

Friend (me) of a close friend to the man interrogated. Relayed to me a few days after Edwards arrest. Beside himself in shock that it was his work colleague.

 

[pinkcatlady]

Me

I sat in a row of all legals that used their phones at some stage and then when a girl from the public in front of me used hers she got told off.

Media rooms out side of the court room

 

[javaguice]

His fellow daily workmate, they worked in pairs, interrogated hard... yet they completely passed over him.

Go on...

 

[Crankitup]

FWIW the boyfriend thinks he's not guilty...

Makes sense. Probably couldn't live with himself if he thought he was guilty and his adulterous actions might have been the catalyst for tipping BRE over the edge.

 

[zedx]

Wow, Jane told a friend she was going to meet a friend named Bogsy that night

and '7NEWS has known about this claim for many years but only now can it be legally reported. '
So now do we think think MM was BRE?

 

[javaguice]

and '7NEWS has known about this claim for many years but only now can it be legally reported. '
So now do we think think MM was BRE?

I'd roll with that conclusion... especially if the bogsy story is true!

 

[Hawks_4478]

Is there a video up on the Supreme Court website of Hall giving the verdict?
I read an article a couple of days ago and it said it would be uploaded.

 

[Crankitup]

Is there a video up on the Supreme Court website of Hall giving the verdict?
I read an article a couple of days ago and it said it would be uploaded.

#211

Also viewable here. Though probably not for long.

 

[javaguice]

 

[javaguice]

Is there a video up on the Supreme Court website of Hall giving the verdict?
I read an article a couple of days ago and it said it would be uploaded.

I must admit, I have been impressed with the coverage we have got throughout the whole trial.

Bar the OJ trial, it's been second to none

 

[Rockman928]

Rick Arden is so awkward in the channel 7 coverage...

True, but the manner by which he was being fed the information meant that was always going to be the case. Considering he was winging it without much to work with I think he did alright, especially when announcing the actual verdict. Michael Thomson's was a fair bit less professional IMO. Asked the guy to repeat himself about 5 times in a row (yes I know he just wanted to be sure) and just gave off an informal type of vibe.

Unless there is a police report or statement of this from years ago I wouldn't put too much stock in it. I'm not saying that she is lying but after so many years its easy to 'remember' things once you hear something that may not have happened (or may have happened slightly differently).

^ Agree. Especially with the part about how JR's mother said that he had 'moved'.

 

[MightyFreo]

Justice Hall didn't entirely dismiss the probability BRE killed Sarah Spiers. He said there was not evidence beyond reasonable doubt, but that it was possible, indeed probable BRE had done so.

In legal speak there are two different tests. Beyond Reasonable Doubt, and On the Balance of Probabilities

On the balance of probabilities is allowed in a number of laws where beyond reasonable doubt isn't mandated.

When Hall used the word probable it was deliberate and was strongly hinting the Balance of Probabilities criteria had been met. That is enough for all sorts of legal options.

For example in the New Zealand Bain family murder case, the accused was acquitted on a retrial, but when he tried to get compensation for the time served he didn't get any because on the balance of probabilities he was guilty. (Though he was paid out money to stop being a nuisance but it wasn't in any way compensation for being imprisoned)

Did he say "probably"?
Thought it was "more likely"
Doesn't it mean the same thing?

 

[JezzaPerth]

Did he say "probably"?
Thought it was "more likely"
Doesn't it mean the same thing?

"The evidence of [Edwards'] propensity to kill may make him a likely suspect, or even the probable killer, but it does not exclude the real possibility that some other person killed her," Justice Hall wrote in his judgement.

 

[MightyFreo]

See the bunker for the West's article on this tonight

Wasn't there discussion on here a while ago that she might have met him at the lunch bar on Carrington St near Karrakatta cemetery? Didn't she work at a daycare not far way?

 

[zedx]

Wasn't there discussion on here a while ago that she might have met him at the lunch bar on Carrington St near Karrakatta cemetery? Didn't she work at a daycare not far way?

Jane worked at a childcare center opp Karracatta cemetery, there was a discussion about the possibility of them running into each other when BRE was working nearby.

 

[Visions]

I notice in the video summary that Justice Hall only mentioned the fibres found from a VS commodore being used as part of the his reasoning for guilt of the accused, but no mention of fibres from a Telstra uniform.

Does that mean the defence reasonably argued against that?

 

[JezzaPerth]

I notice in the video summary that Justice Hall only mentioned the fibres found from a VS commodore being used as part of the his reasoning for guilt of the accused, but no mention of fibres from a Telstra uniform.

Does that mean the defence reasonably argued against that?

2276 in the judgement

... I am satisfied that the fibres on Ms Glennon are
derived from a VS Commodore and Telstra clothes. They are likely to
have come from the same source and to have been transferred into her hair
in the hours before her death. From this can be drawn a conclusion that
sometime shortly before she died she was in a VS Commodore that was
habitually driven by a Telstra employee. The fibres cannot be directly or
exclusively linked to the accused or the particular car he was driving.
That does not mean they do not have probative value in identification.

 

[Visions]

2276 in the judgement

... I am satisfied that the fibres on Ms Glennon are
derived from a VS Commodore and Telstra clothes. They are likely to
have come from the same source and to have been transferred into her hair
in the hours before her death. From this can be drawn a conclusion that
sometime shortly before she died she was in a VS Commodore that was
habitually driven by a Telstra employee. The fibres cannot be directly or
exclusively linked to the accused or the particular car he was driving.
That does not mean they do not have probative value in identification.

Thanks. Must have missed it. Only heard the part about the being habitually driven by a Telstra employee.

 

[craigos]

Wow, Jane told a friend she was going to meet a friend named Bogsy that night

I just can't believe this to be true. There is no way that after all this time that this piece of information wouldn't have been publicised.

On the flipside, the incompetence of WA Police is probably only just about to be exposed once this is all wrapped up so who knows.