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They had a fingerprint they had got from one the Huntingdale attempted break-ins. his guilty plea for those crimes locked in that connection.Did they get prints from the Huntingdale (kimono) attack though? And they still had prints on file from the HH attack, which was a 'simple' assault? It's not beyond belief that a family member or the ex helped police close in.
It could be that they wanted the ex to shush because she might have mentioned how she helped them get him, so they stopped her for her own good.
Did they get prints from the Huntingdale (kimono) attack though? And they still had prints on file from the HH attack, which was a 'simple' assault? It's not beyond belief that a family member or the ex helped police close in.
It could be that they wanted the ex to shush because she might have mentioned how she helped them get him, so they stopped her for her own good.
to me the issue is the timeline. we know the kimono was retested in 2013, and the DNA matched CG and KK. if this was such a big breakthrough in the CSK case, you would think WAPOL would have every man and their dog on it, and be checking the data bases to see what else happened in that area at the same time. they were apparently only on BRE for a couple of weeks before retrieving the sprite bottle, which was just prior to his arrest in December 2016. so we can conclude that BRE was only considered a strong suspect since about early November 2016 or later. this then begs the question - why did it take 3 and a bit years to link the kimono to BRE? the background crime check of the kimono incident highlighted a case with fingerprints, which matched prints already in the system to give them a name. we are led to believe this back ground check and computer check took 3 years? bit of a stretch in my book.
my thinking is the kimono matched, but the cops didn't know where to go from there, maybe the old case files weren't uploaded to the database along with the fingerprints. someone tips the bucket on BRE around 2015/2016 and mentions his past about stealing panties etc. (this could of been a known thing in his family, and a source of merriment or ridicule.) the cops check back through reports for those crimes and find the fingerprints which match, and also a flag on the kimono incident saying it was linked to the CSK. these cops pass on the info to macro, who suddenly get very interested in BRE. wife #2 could of been 'scared stiffless' as the cops may have asked her questions, and asked her to procure any details that can put BRE in the area at the time - hence the copying of the bank statements. prosecution and defence would also have cut her off before she revealed that she dropped old mate in it. this also fits in with the complete breakdown in the marriage, from what I remember she left around late 2015? (will need to find confirmation of this).
The only stickler in the above theory is what caused this person to drop BRE in to the old bill. it could of been something quite simple, such as a threat that drew likeness to the csk crimes, discovery of his stories, a slip of the tongue etc.
Maybe because in 2013 eitherwhy did it take 3 and a bit years to link the kimono to BRE?
I used to give them to people who were having some sort of personal problems or grief in their lives (wayward husband or children, loss of income, depression etc). It wasn't just protection it offered them, but support, strength and help to go on or deal with what ever their problems were. It was like knowing some one had your back.Ohhh thank you, I knew it was a Green something or other. Her post wasn't to do with physical healing, it was protection against a danger. Very, very early days it was that I found it. Then like most stuff, it vanished.
Exactly. Then re-open Huntingdale files 1st few days in December, find prints, load into system, get match to HH and finally they have a definite name.The kimono was put in a queue for retesting in 2013. It was tested on November 23, 2016 and the results came back on Dec 1.
I thought it was the Huntingdale Crimes that were under routine review and they got lucky when the DNA test results where put into the system and were found to match the DNA from Karrakatta and CG. That is how I interpreted what Ms Bargbagallo said in her opening statement, I may have it wrong.Exactly. Then re-open Huntingdale files 1st few days in December, find prints, load into system, get match to HH and finally they have a definite name.
Put him under surveillance, pick up Sprite bottle evening of 19Dec20, DNA test and waalaa. Killer in custody 3 days later.
Only niggling question ..... Why was the Kimono chosen as part of a review of potentially related crimes to CSK case specifically?
Another reporting error could explain it, but if not, I just think its too much of a stretch to believe that incidences of prowling, break & enters & clothing thefts in Huntingdale in 1988 were crimes that would jump out as being potentially related to a rape & 3 murders 7+ years later & particularly when there's no evidence of any of those crimes being remotely related to those committed in Claremont.
Either the Kimono was randomly put in for testing and they got lucky .....or...... someone dropped them something which caused them to re-look on the other side of town at far lesser offences specifically.
Either the Kimono was randomly put in for testing and they got lucky .....or...... someone dropped them something which caused them to re-look on the other side of town at far lesser offences specifically.
I don't know what the protocols generally are but the Kimono went over to the lab by special courier and investigators had a match within a day or so iirc, so this 'queue' wasn't actually in the lab. There's a reference to this somewhere.
So, it wasn't a matter of searching the data base, because documentation from 1988 was most likely still in an archive box. Thinking hundreds of individual police reports and witness statements, which needed to be looked at by hand. I understand now, why it would have taken three years, because it was such a labor intensive task. I also wonder if historic police reports and witness statements may have been saved, electronically under the persons address, making it even more difficult to locate. When I spoke to the Cold Case Squad about BREs juvenile antics, they weren't already aware - makes sense now, the documentation hadn't been scanned and uploaded onto the data base.to me the issue is the timeline. we know the kimono was retested in 2013, and the DNA matched CG and KK. if this was such a big breakthrough in the CSK case, you would think WAPOL would have every man and their dog on it, and be checking the data bases to see what else happened in that area at the same time. they were apparently only on BRE for a couple of weeks before retrieving the sprite bottle, which was just prior to his arrest in December 2016. so we can conclude that BRE was only considered a strong suspect since about early November 2016 or later. this then begs the question - why did it take 3 and a bit years to link the kimono to BRE? the background crime check of the kimono incident highlighted a case with fingerprints, which matched prints already in the system to give them a name. we are led to believe this back ground check and computer check took 3 years? bit of a stretch in my book.
my thinking is the kimono matched, but the cops didn't know where to go from there, maybe the old case files weren't uploaded to the database along with the fingerprints. someone tips the bucket on BRE around 2015/2016 and mentions his past about stealing panties etc. (this could of been a known thing in his family, and a source of merriment or ridicule.) the cops check back through reports for those crimes and find the fingerprints which match, and also a flag on the kimono incident saying it was linked to the CSK. these cops pass on the info to macro, who suddenly get very interested in BRE. wife #2 could of been 'scared stiffless' as the cops may have asked her questions, and asked her to procure any details that can put BRE in the area at the time - hence the copying of the bank statements. prosecution and defence would also have cut her off before she revealed that she dropped old mate in it. this also fits in with the complete breakdown in the marriage, from what I remember she left around late 2015? (will need to find confirmation of this).
The only stickler in the above theory is what caused this person to drop BRE in to the old bill. it could of been something quite simple, such as a threat that drew likeness to the csk crimes, discovery of his stories, a slip of the tongue etc.
Hi Deva,Just finished the Enigma of the Dark and i have to be honest , i reluctantly bought it not being a fan of Tim's during the trial pod casts. BUT... i really liked it!! It was very well written and very thorough, he covered a lot of just about everything from the very start of the hearings until the verdict. While a lot of us that have followed this trial closely there was nothing that we haven't heard before but to others it would be very informative. He certainly has a way with words and explained it all very well, highly recommend it.
Looking forward to Bret's book now in January.
Hi Deva,
I edited the book so I'm glad to hear you liked it. I'll pass that on to Tim. I'm the 'Niall' in the acknowledgements.
Why did it take 3 years?
How long does it take for DNA testing to be completed?
To find vehicles he owned during the crime period?
Trace his movement during the crime period?
How long does it take to do a thorough analysis on the vehicle, fibres etc?
How long does it take to find a source for them fibres?
How long to interview all them witnesses?
... to dig up as much evidence as possible?
How long does it take to put a concrete case together?
On CSI about an hour, in real life about 3 years perhaps?
Maybe because in 2013 either
- they did not ask Telstra for a list of all Telecom staff that lived around Huntingdale in 1988
- Telstra no longer had the residential addresses of any Telecom staff working in 1988.
- Telstra was asked for the residential addresses of any Telecom staff working in 1988 and refused to provide it
- Telstra provided the residential addresses of Telecom staff working in 1988, but BRE's name was for some reason missing from the results
Back in the threads and live blogs is info on what HR data Telstra had going back to what years of Telecom operations.
The kimono was put in a queue for retesting in 2013. It was tested on November 23, 2016 and the results came back on Dec 1.
interesting. will have to go back through the info to check that, i have it down as being retested in 2013. thanks rockman
Did you reach out to him or was it a random "calm your farm crew", coz I'm about to blow you fking socks off?Anyhow, I've had email from Bret Christian and he said I can tell you "all will soon be revealed". We're in for some surprises.
He has been checking in here.
WOW can't wait !!Anyhow, I've had email from Bret Christian and he said I can tell you "all will soon be revealed". We're in for some surprises.
He has been checking in here.
Is Bret waiting for appeal process before release? 21 days should work out to about then?Anyhow, I've had email from Bret Christian and he said I can tell you "all will soon be revealed". We're in for some surprises.
He has been checking in here.
Hi Niall, credit where credit is due it was really well written, enjoyed all of it and have lent it to a few friends that have enjoyed it too. Good job to both of you.Hi Deva,
I edited the book so I'm glad to hear you liked it. I'll pass that on to Tim. I'm the 'Niall' in the acknowledgements.
I used to give them to people who were having some sort of personal problems or grief in their lives (wayward husband or children, loss of income, depression etc). It wasn't just protection it offered them, but support, strength and help to go on or deal with what ever their problems were. It was like knowing some one had your back.