Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

[Kurve]

Here is
- Claremont Murders - Part One and Part Two
- Media
- The Bunker
- Hey Bret? Stalking Claremont the book.
- Justice Hall's Decision 619 pgs

 

[BFew]

Absolutely no disrespect meant to Paul Yovich. He did a thorough job with what he had and ensured Edwards got an excellent defence. As the trial unfolded it became clear to me that there wasn’t a heck of a lot he could do to actually dispute the evidence for Ciara and Jane, and the evidence regarding Sarah was limited even without his input. I always felt the most important part of his role was disputing the admissibility of evidence prior to the trial, in which he was successful (although I don’t think there was much chance of it being admissible you still need someone to make the arguments). And I think the other important part of his role will be sentencing.

I’m also mindful of the fact that it can’t have been easy to defend one of the most hated people in WA. His role was important.

If Yovich hadn't assisted in getting a whole lot of evidence inadmissible, we might not have had sentencing until Easter 2021, and lost even more time in trying to get resolution for the Sarah Spiers presumed murder!

 

[Kurve]

I find this surprising. Majority of people are thinking it and would like to ask him the same thing as they think he is guilty as sin on Spiers, however as the verdict has came back not guilty, I'm surprised that someone like the Premier would actually go this far and make a statement like this.

Indications they might be prepared to offer him a chance at parole some time even if he's 85yo, rather than a no hope 'Never to be Released' if he tells them where Sarah is.

I suspect the Glennon and Rimmer families would be agreeable.

 

[BFew]

It will also be up on 9News timeline soon if anyone misses it. I'll keep an eye out for it and link in.

Here it is on Facebook live
Which means you can rewatch it there too later

 

[JezzaPerth]

Absolutely no disrespect meant to Paul Yovich. He did a thorough job with what he had and ensured Edwards got an excellent defence. As the trial unfolded it became clear to me that there wasn’t a heck of a lot he could do to actually dispute the evidence for Ciara and Jane, and the evidence regarding Sarah was limited even without his input. I always felt the most important part of his role was disputing the admissibility of evidence prior to the trial, in which he was successful (although I don’t think there was much chance of it being admissible you still need someone to make the arguments). And I think the other important part of his role will be sentencing.

I’m also mindful of the fact that it can’t have been easy to defend one of the most hated people in WA. His role was important.

Even worse, I'm pretty darned sure BRE confessed to the murders.

However, it's possible to defend someone who has confessed, but you are extremely constrained in what you can do - e.g. no alibi, and no defendant giving evidence. This perhaps made the defence's life easier because they didn't have to go to extremes in the defence because they weren't allowed by law to do so.

The real job of the defence in those circumstances is to make sure the prosecution prove their case. They did that in the case of Sarah Spiers; the evidence was always insufficient and all Yovich had to do was point that out. (Though whether BRE confessed to Sarah Spiers' murder is another thing to confessing to Ciara Glennon's murder)

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

Indications they might be prepared to offer him a chance at parole some time even if he's 85yo, rather than a no hope 'Never to be Released' if he tells them where Sarah is.

I suspect the Glennon and Rimmer families would be agreeable.

Public will be completely divided on this.
What is more important, see him rot or let him out for the final piece of the puzzle?

 

[Kurve]

Public will be completely divided on this.
What is more important, see him rot or let him out for the final piece of the puzzle?

I think the public would support the Glennon and Rimmer families.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

I think the public would support the Glennon and Rimmer families.

I would go pretty close to 50/50.
Many people want to know where Sarah is AND confirmation that he actually did it.

Mentalities will be different in 10-20 years.

 

[Power Raid]

Public will be completely divided on this.
What is more important, see him rot or let him out for the final piece of the puzzle?

I'm not interested in putting the community at risk, for a body and closure.

 

[Power Raid]

I would go pretty close to 50/50.
Many people want to know where Sarah is AND confirmation that he actually did it.

Mentalities will be different in 10-20 years.

Flip it another way...........would a minister issues release on ministerial approval? I bet if a government worked the phones to see how the electorate felt about a release, I bet it would have zero support.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

I'm not interested in putting the community at risk, for a body and closure.

I'm not interested in putting the community at risk, for a body and closure.

Exactly the point. People will celebrate this verdict now but sooner or later the knowledge of what happened to SS will become more important to some than the incarceration of an old man,

 

[JezzaPerth]

I sat in a row of all legals that used their phones at some stage and then when a girl from the public in front of me used hers she got told off.

Also the guards were much grumpier than at District court, and water was banned unlike District. They were also a lot fatter.

 

[BFew]

Premier Mark McGowen has just asked for Edwards to disclose where Sarah is for her family sake during his press conference as well.

The WA Premier's short press conference can be replayed at the WAtoday CSK live blog (2:05pm WST)

As it happened: Bradley Edwards guilty of Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer's murders, not guilty over death of Sarah Spiers

More than two decades after Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon vanished off the streets of Claremont, the fate of their accused killer, Bradley Edwards, will finally be decided today.

www.watoday.com.au

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

Flip it another way...........would a minister issues release on ministerial approval? I bet if a government worked the phones to see how the electorate felt about a release, I bet it would have zero support.

Give it a decade or so once the hysteria dies down. People will still want answers.

 

[Kurve]

I would go pretty close to 50/50.
Many people want to know where Sarah is AND confirmation that he actually did it.

It was heartbreaking to see the Spiers leave court today with nothing. They need support and if that means a small sacrifice I personally would give it to them in the hope he would give their daughter's body back.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

It was heartbreaking to see the Spiers leave court today with nothing. They need support and if that means a small sacrifice I personally would give it to them in the hope he would give their daughter's body back.

Correct.
After some time the attitude will be “alright we have him now so we’re happy with that. But we need to know about Sarah”

 

[BFew]

Even worse, I'm pretty darned sure BRE confessed to the murders.

BRE might forever never provide info on the whereabouts of Sarah Spiers body, or info on her abduction murder, if he and someone else were involved, and he is not wanting to ever implicate that person, or risk providing evidence that might lead to someone happening to someone he cares about, or who might be at risk of being harmed from anyone who has threatened him in some way if he ever does dob.

 

[BonzaRam]

Public will be completely divided on this.
What is more important, see him rot or let him out for the final piece of the puzzle?

Give up where SS is, his odds of surviving 30+ years in prison at the age of 51 are very slim anyway.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

He's probably never getting out anyway, he's over 50yo. Even on the chance of parole, he has to live that long in the big boys pen then the parole board has to approve it. And probably the AG.

Even if he got out someone would finish him. His best life for him is now in prison. I doubt he would accept release.

 

[JezzaPerth]

BRE might forever never provide info on the whereabouts of Sarah Spiers body, or info on her abduction murder, if he and someone else were involved, and he is not wanting to ever implicate that person, or risk providing evidence that might lead to someone happening to someone he cares about, or who might be at risk of being harmed from anyone who has threatened him in some way if he ever does dob.

Off topic, You need to change you avatar to a large GUILTY and a small not guilty

 

[Pamcake1]

In the Police presser currently on the Police Comissioners says that at no time did anyone ever nominate BRE as a suspect!

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

Give up where SS is, his odds of surviving 30+ years in prison at the age of 51 are very slim anyway.

That’s not the point tho.

 

[BFew]

The WA Police Commissioner just said in his Press Conference, that BRE's found guilty and publicised crimes go back for 32 years (to 1988 by my calculations).

No acknowledgement that there might have been crimes he committed prior to 1988.

 

[BonzaRam]

That’s not the point tho.

Yes it is, that other opposing 50 of the 50/50 need to see reason...

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

BRE might forever never provide info on the whereabouts of Sarah Spiers body, or info on her abduction murder, if he and someone else were involved, and he is not wanting to ever implicate that person, or risk providing evidence that might lead to someone happening to someone he cares about, or who might be at risk of being harmed from anyone who has threatened him in some way if he ever does dob.

He never gonna give her up. It’s of no use to him. He will be protected for the rest of his life in custody anyway.

 

[Deva]

Justice Hall asked for Victim impact statements to be done over the time too.
Wouldn’t it be great if they could read them out themselves to him and let him have it!