Coach Clarkson has left the building

[Buzz Hawk]

You sound exactly like Caroline Wilson with your crap about someone you don’t know

Let that sink in for a moment

Actually numbskull, I have come across David King, in various corporate and coterie situations in his roving ambassadorial role for the NMFC.
Good bloke for sure, but fortnite would be the extent of his pc abilities.

Let that sink in for a moment.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Actually numbskull, I have come across David King, in various corporate and coterie situations in his roving ambassadorial role for the NMFC.
Good bloke for sure, but fortnite would be the extent of his pc abilities.

Let that sink in for a moment.

I’ve been mates with him for 35 years

You have no idea

Numbskull, something my old man says, I like it!

 

[Buzz Hawk]

I’ve been mates with him for 35 years

You have no idea

Numbskull, something my old man says, I like it!

Birds of a feather.

 

[Dipper]

You see a lot of arguments and fallings out on this board but a stoush that gets a bit personal on the subject of David King's IT capabilities really is something else.

I'd describe myself as an absurdist but even for me it's a bit WTF.


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[Accipiter]

You know what I want purely for selfishly trivial reasons?

Clarko to sign a one-year extension in a coaching director role at the end of 2022. Not because he owes us anything or because I don't think Mitch will be ready to take over, but after a year of fever-pitch media Clarko conspiracies seeing egg on so many faces would be absolutely exquisite.

During one of Clarko's interviews he did say that his coaching career was coming to an end at Hawthorn, but I got the feeling that there was an emphasis on the word coaching as opposed to Hawthorn. I've got a sneaking suspicion that there may be some other appointment in the Hawthorn system waiting when he hangs up the clipboard .... Has anybody else sensed this???

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

During one of Clarko's interviews he did say that his coaching career was coming to an end at Hawthorn, but I got the feeling that there was an emphasis on the word coaching as opposed to Hawthorn. I've got a sneaking suspicion that there may be some other appointment in the Hawthorn system waiting when he hangs up the clipboard .... Has anybody else sensed this???

Agree, an that what the extra two is about in his contract.

 

[jerry_atrick]

I’ve been mates with him for 35 years

You have no idea

Numbskull, something my old man says, I like it!

Birds of a feather.

Now, now fellas.. shake hands and make up ;-)

Clarko doesn't owe the Hawks a thing, yet he is resolute to honour his obligations regardless of the manner in which he is being retired.. #Respect. How many other coaches would do the same? Worsfold's rants of press conferences led me to believe he was a very angry man. Instead, Clarko, who will probably be remembered much more as a Hawk than a Roo, has publicly declared an ongoing dedication in circumstances that, well, if I were in them, I can't say I would be so honourable!

Is it Clarko's time at the coaching helm of Hawthorn? Well, it depends on your outlook; for me it was at the end of the 2017 season where I thought there were similarities to Sheedy at Essendon creeping in - something I hadn't thought of previously. However, if you asked me today, I may not be so sure.. Not that I don't think at the end of 2017 things weren't looking rosy, but, apart from this latest development, with his back against the wall in terms of a bottom 2 side, would it be enough to kick him into gear and get back on track?

What irks me about all of this is not that Clarko has been given his marching orders, although, as Hawthorn owes him far more than he owes Hawthorn, I would have preferred it more on his terms as to how to end it (based on what I have seen in the press.. and from c. 16,000km away, that is all I have to rely on except for this most illuminating board). It is the succession plan..

It seems, Kennett et al have got into their head Sam Mitchell is to be the next coach, come what may. If you look atr Clarko's legacy, it isn't just 4 grand finals (including the three-peat).. it is much more. His willingness to impart his knowledge and style on others, I would contend have led to at least another 5 GFs; Footscray (et. Western Bulldogs) x 1, West Coast x 1, and Richmond x 3; all coaches that are prodigees of Clarko. And Brisbane has had a decent crack.. All coaches were assistants under Clarko.. and all took personnel with them (off and on field), but importantly, they all took a bit of Clarko with them, too.

Bevo, Simpson, Dimma, and Pops were all identified as potential serious coaches outside the halls of Hawthorn. And, so too was Bolton (well, at least by Carlton). I don't see the same accolades being accorded to Mitchell (admittedly, I may be missing something). An, to be honest, I don't see him doing anything special with Box HIll.. We're an OK list and we're OK on the ladder.

My concern as a Hawks member is that, while it has been identified that Clarko's time is up (which is up for debate itself), some dipship has decided that Mitchell is the successor without due process to determine who would be the best successor. It may well be Mitchell, but it may be someone else. Cast your mind back to the race to replace Schwab (at least I think it was Schwab). It came down to Ayres (championed by Brereton from memory), and Clarko (championed by Dunstall).. It was a due process, and, although I think Ayres would have made a fantastic coach, I think the better coach won. We are denied the ability to determine who is the best, and it appears el-presidento has decided in his own mind (which seems to have some shortcomings) who is best ahead of everyone else.

My recollection of historical events may be blurred (you can thank a fine Yarra Valley wine for that tonight), but I am clear on the sentiment..

 

[flinchfree]

I’ve been mates with him for 35 years
.....

Tough times between the two of you when he kept predicting our downfall year after year?
BTW, love seeing someone stand up for their mates.

 

[The hands of stone]

You see a lot of arguments and fallings out on this board but a stoush that gets a bit personal on the subject of David King's IT capabilities really is something else.

I'd describe myself as an absurdist but even for me it's a bit WTF.


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Damian Barrett's sliding doors this week

IF David King chose Iphone over Andriod

THEN he would have better IT knowledge

 

[Carl Spackler]

You know what I want purely for selfishly trivial reasons?

Clarko to sign a one-year extension in a coaching director role at the end of 2022. Not because he owes us anything or because I don't think Mitch will be ready to take over, but after a year of fever-pitch media Clarko conspiracies seeing egg on so many faces would be absolutely exquisite.

He's already signed on with the club in an unspecified role for 2023 and 2024. We've got two more years of him post coaching. That role? Who know? It could be football director but I don't know if we need that being we've got one already who seems to do all right. It will be something like that, I suspect, though.

 

[Big Hotdog]

Not according to Clarko yesterday, no. Which is the point. Both of them will be involved in both.

Which isn't the end of the world; it doesn't mean we're f’ed, but it WAS a change

And the only reason he kept 'harping' on about it was because Dermie couldn't even acknowledge that there was any change.

Let's not look for enemies where there aren't any.

Dont make me get Dermott on here.

 

[Big Hotdog]

Whateley labels modern media "jarring" following Mitchell discussion

“That’s not how I think our profession should operate.”

www.sen.com.au

Throughout the speculation surrounding Mitchell, Whateley described the response of the modern media as “jarring”, especially the notion that Mitchell needs to be careful about what he says.

“That’s not how I think our profession should operate,” Whateley said.

“There’s just a couple of layers in this which probably tells you the evolution of the modern football media.

“I’m absolutely happy to sit here and say that there are elements of it that I’m just not comfortable with, and have never believed that’s part of our role.”

Taking the high road...

 

[Steven Tyler]

Tough times between the two of you when he kept predicting our downfall year after year?
BTW, love seeing someone stand up for their mates.

Tough for him maybe , although he looks to be spot on this year

I don’t care if he cops sh#t for his football comments ………………

 

[MrPremiership]

Does Caro double-down again (will this make it a triple down?) on Classified tonight?

 

[Carl Spackler]

Does Caro double-down again (will this make it a triple down?) on Classified tonight?

Her choices are either to stubbornly stand by her source (likely never mentioning it again), ignore it completely (I doubt her fellow panelists will let her but you never know), or admit she got it wrong (likely throwing her source under the bus).

I put it a 90% chance at the first option, a weak triple-down. 9% chance at the second option. 1% chance of the third (throwing a source under the bus will threaten all her other gossip mongering contacts so this won't happen unless she really, really, really feels her credibility is being challenge by her journalist friends).

EDIT: A fourth option which I didn't consider is that she claims a new source and breaths life into the whole thing again. A strong triple-down, so to speak. This source would have to be a primary, in-the-room type of person for her to go this route. From everything that's been said by the Hawthorn types you have to rate this chance as virtually zero. But then Bradbury is a gold medalist, so nothing is completely zero.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Does Caro double-down again (will this make it a triple down?) on Classified tonight?

She addressed it all on 3AW on Saturday and basically stood by it all, and almost suggested she'd been vindicated. She did say however, that Clarko on Friday was "his finest moment", and that she believes he will stay at Hawthorn now, likely next year. But also said that all the behind the scene tensions were 100% real, and that the club are lucky to have such a high quality individual such as Clarko who was willing to be above all the bullshit politics.

 

[bris tarangau]

She addressed it all on 3AW on Saturday and basically stood by it all, and almost suggested she'd been vindicated. She did say however, that Clarko on Friday was "his finest moment", and that she believes he will stay at Hawthorn now, likely next year. But also said that all the behind the scene tensions were 100% real, and that the club are lucky to have such a high quality individual such as Clarko who was willing to be above all the bullshit politics.

Wow! She said all that about Clarko? Who would have thought?

 

[Carl Spackler]

She addressed it all on 3AW on Saturday and basically stood by it all, and almost suggested she'd been vindicated. She did say however, that Clarko on Friday was "his finest moment", and that she believes he will stay at Hawthorn now, likely next year. But also said that all the behind the scene tensions were 100% real, and that the club are lucky to have such a high quality individual such as Clarko who was willing to be above all the bullshit politics.

Her specific behind-the-scenes contention was that Mitchell wanted Clarkson gone and it was an unworkable situation. The extent of her claim was not that the club was unsettled or that the decision had shocked some, but that specifically Mitchell/Clarkson would not work. And more, she had a warning to Mitchell that he was white-anting Clarkson and he had better stop.

All of that was 100% denied by both Mitchell and Clarkson. Denied before the Caro claim by Kennett, Mitchell and Clarkson and also denied after the claim by Mitchell and Clarkson again live and Kennett in an email to the membership.

So other than being exactly wrong with nothing but nameless rumour to supporter her claim, yes, he's vindicated.

 

[MrPremiership]

I hope the Club has at least identified her source

 

[Mercy Seat]

Her specific behind-the-scenes contention was that Mitchell wanted Clarkson gone and it was an unworkable situation. The extent of her claim was not that the club was unsettled or that the decision had shocked some, but that specifically Mitchell/Clarkson would not work. And more, she had a warning to Mitchell that he was white-anting Clarkson and he had better stop.

All of that was 100% denied by both Mitchell and Clarkson. Denied before the Caro claim by Kennett, Mitchell and Clarkson and also denied after the claim by Mitchell and Clarkson again live and Kennett in an email to the membership.

So other than being exactly wrong with nothing but nameless rumour to supporter her claim, yes, he's vindicated.

I'm not defending her here, but her reporting for weeks has been that it is the board that wanted Clarko out asap, and that there were significant tensions between Clarko and the likes of Reeves and Kennett, stretching back to the hubs last year. Also that despite the succession plan being something that had been talked about, Clarko was expecting one more contract and had been gutted that it hadn't come, and disgruntled that he had not been included as part of the planning moving forward. True? Yes / no? She seems to think so. The Sammy stuff came for the first time last week, and on the back off that meeting. She claims she has multiple sources within the club, including people supposedly at the meeting.

 

[Qlder_19]

I hope the Club has at least identified her source

Might be a tad tricky in this world I'm sure hawthorn corporate email wasn't used

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Flukey!]

I agree Patton and Scully were mistakes but both were "moneyball" decisions that ultimately only cost us list spots.
Scully was arguably better than a young 4th rounder would have been.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Risk v Reward of a 4th round pick, you do the Scully and Patton trades every time.

No one was to know Scully’s family situation would deteriorate to the point that he’d retire, nor did anyone know Patton would come undone due to some unforeseen sexting/harassment scandal.

And take anything Kornes has to say about Chad with a huge grain of salt, considering the history there with him and his brother.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Risk v Reward of a 4th round pick, you do the Scully and Patton trades every time.

No one was to know Scully’s family situation would deteriorate to the point that he’d retire, nor did anyone know Patton would come undone due to some unforeseen sexting/harassment scandal.

And take anything Kornes has to say about Chad with a huge grain of salt, considering the history there with him and his brother.

Didn’t Cornes also want us investigated for the Scully deal as we got him too cheap? Now we paid too much for him....