Recommitted Clayton Oliver [UFA 2030] - clubs are interested, Melbourne willing for the right price

[sydney_gws]

Already talks of F1, 20,25 for Chol and 4

Then on trade 4, 9 + McAdam
That suit ?

Why pay so much He is not Chris Judd.

 

[RUNVS]

Why pay so much He is not Chris Judd.

He has better hair than Judd, only just, but his hair is still better.

 

[Shadow89]

Club is putting said player in the shop window, no other club is going to pay picks 2+3 and take on his 7 year 7 mill deal. 1 top 10 pick max in the 5-10 range if everything is manageable with him

Flipside is, if Melbourne are only going to accept 2 top 3 picks, we'd be the only suitors in town.

Even if there were no due diligence problems besides Oliver cracking the shits with the medical team, its hard to see anyone paying much more than a top 5 pick, a lower first round pick, and a future first. Who has that kind of capital?

Makeshift Park your suggestion is much more reasonable than the other poster - but still not in the realms of possibility.

We're talking about a multiple B+F, AA, Premiership, AFLCA, Top 10 player in the game when on song - for either Pick 5-10 alone, or Pick 5, Pick 12-15ish and a Future 1st?

The thing that a lot of posters fail to realise when it comes to clubs trading a player, is that just because a player is rumoured as being 'pushed out' - doesn't meant that club will readily accept 'unders' either.

Also, a club will ALWAYS, go after the max capital - on the basis of market value for their player. Had we not landed all those picks for Tim Kelly, GWS may have just taken compo and not asked us to give up 3 1sts - which they could rightfully ask for. Now thankfully we got 2 seconds back and those firsts drifted out, but GWS asked us for everything we had, because they knew they could.

If North REALLY wanted Clarry, Melbourne would go 'yep we're happy for him to look around...but this is not a firesale and he is an elite player of the competition - and we want compensation that equals that standing.' If it's North they ask for Pick 2 and 3. If it's Hawks, they ask for Pick 3 and a Future 1st. If it's us they ask for 7, Max Holmes and a Future 1st.

There's no scenario where they will not ask for Picks 2 and 3. If Oliver really wants out and the club wants him gone, then he'll likely have to accept that he'll go where the club wants him to go (within reason and taking his wants into account) for max profit, rather than where he wants to go solely - given the massive contract he just signed.

17 other clubs would want him. This won't be a 'take it or leave it' situation involving one club. Not to mention the fact that Oliver would likely want to go somewhere he's in the window or where the club is on a decent trajectory - like an Adelaide, a GWS or the Dogs, for example.

Going to North who are still heavily rebuilding, losing their only half-decent KPD, and trading away all their assets for a player in a position they are incredibly well stocked in, would not look appetizing to a player like him in the prime of his career.

He may be mates with Simpkin, but that doesn't mean he's going to spend 3-5 years in the wilderness just so he can play with his mate. He'll go to a club where he can be well paid and have success and a fresh start - rather than just only well paid.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

The fact they are supposedly pushing him in the shop window his value drops significantly, worth 2 top 10 picks everyday if you poached him from Melbourne under contract, this is different

Even if his value has dropped significantly that still means pick 2 + something else.

 

[Sphynx]

Lol. If he went to North they’d be lucky if they didn’t lose both of their top two selections.

When did draft picks become so overrated? Oliver is the most consistent top liner in the game, has been in the best few mids for probably four seasons now, and is only 26 years old.

Dees could get two top 10 picks and still lose out.

They became overrated since Oliver turned up late to his exit interview, doing plenty, with no sleep from an all nighter.

 

[Shadow89]

Already talks of F1, 20,25 for Chol and 4

Then on trade 4, 9 + McAdam
That suit ?

That's not even close to what the Dogs are offering for just Pick 4 alone...so I don't know how you think that hand would land you Pick 4.

 

[Sphynx]

Makeshift Park your suggestion is much more reasonable than the other poster - but still not in the realms of possibility.

We're talking about a multiple B+F, AA, Premiership, AFLCA, Top 10 player in the game when on song - for either Pick 5-10 alone, or Pick 5, Pick 12-15ish and a Future 1st?

The thing that a lot of posters fail to realise when it comes to clubs trading a player, is that just because a player is rumoured as being 'pushed out' - doesn't meant that club will readily accept 'unders' either.

Also, a club will ALWAYS, go after the max capital - on the basis of market value for their player. Had we not landed all those picks for Tim Kelly, GWS may have just taken compo and not asked us to give up 3 1sts - which they could rightfully ask for. Now thankfully we got 2 seconds back and those firsts drifted out, but GWS asked us for everything we had, because they knew they could.

If North REALLY wanted Clarry, Melbourne would go 'yep we're happy for him to look around...but this is not a firesale and he is an elite player of the competition - and we want compensation that equals that standing.' If it's North they ask for Pick 2 and 3. If it's Hawks, they ask for Pick 3 and a Future 1st. If it's us they ask for 7, Max Holmes and a Future 1st.

There's no scenario where they will not ask for Picks 2 and 3. If Oliver really wants out and the club wants him gone, then he'll likely have to accept that he'll go where the club wants him to go for max profit, rather than where he wants to go - given the massive contract he just signed.

17 other clubs would want him. This won't be a 'take it or leave it' situation involving one club. Not to mention the fact that Oliver would likely want to go somewhere he's in the window or where the club is on a decent trajectory - like an Adelaide, a GWS or the Dogs, for example.

Going to North who are still heavily rebuilding, losing their only half-decent KPD, and trading away all their assets for a player in a position they are incredibly well stocked in, would not look appetizing to a player like him in the prime of his career.

He may be mates with Simpkin, but that doesn't mean he's going to spend 3-5 years in the wilderness just so he can play with his mate. He'll go to a club where he can be well paid and have success and a fresh start - rather than just only well paid.

I think you underestimate the issues.

This is closer to the Cousins situation than the Judd one.

 

[Shinboner roo]

I think it's clear Melbourne are still going to demand / get what he's worth, that's what teams are weighing up, whether they are prepared to do that. Treat him as uncontracted if it helps.

If he went to North you would lose pick 2, absolutely nothing surer

If he is happy to got to North and it is for pick 2 and on 7 year 7mill deal I'll be spitting chips, talent alone is one thing sure but major red flags with this one

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

They became overrated since Oliver turned up to his exit interview, doing plenty, with no sleep from an all nighter.

I think you underestimate the issues.

This is closer to the Cousins situation than the Judd one.

Baseless rumours at this point. Only fair to debate on what we know. Not what you think you have heard/made up.

 

[sharp450]

Dayne Beams 2.0

No chance Clarry is stealing money out his teammates lockers

 

[Shadow89]

I think you underestimate the issues.

This is closer to the Cousins situation than the Judd one.

And now you're trying to cash in on them by lowballing a club on the basis of those purported - and not substantiated at all - rumours.

Little odd.

 

[Mich0]

Makeshift Park your suggestion is much more reasonable than the other poster - but still not in the realms of possibility.

We're talking about a multiple B+F, AA, Premiership, AFLCA, Top 10 player in the game when on song - for either Pick 5-10 alone, or Pick 5, Pick 12-15ish and a Future 1st?

The thing that a lot of posters fail to realise when it comes to clubs trading a player, is that just because a player is rumoured as being 'pushed out' - doesn't meant that club will readily accept 'unders' either.

Also, a club will ALWAYS, go after the max capital - on the basis of market value for their player. Had we not landed all those picks for Tim Kelly, GWS may have just taken compo and not asked us to give up 3 1sts - which they could rightfully ask for. Now thankfully we got 2 seconds back and those firsts drifted out, but GWS asked us for everything we had, because they knew they could.

If North REALLY wanted Clarry, Melbourne would go 'yep we're happy for him to look around...but this is not a firesale and he is an elite player of the competition - and we want compensation that equals that standing.' If it's North they ask for Pick 2 and 3. If it's Hawks, they ask for Pick 3 and a Future 1st. If it's us they ask for 7, Max Holmes and a Future 1st.

There's no scenario where they will not ask for Picks 2 and 3. If Oliver really wants out and the club wants him gone, then he'll likely have to accept that he'll go where the club wants him to go (within reason and taking his wants into account) for max profit, rather than where he wants to go solely - given the massive contract he just signed.

17 other clubs would want him. This won't be a 'take it or leave it' situation involving one club. Not to mention the fact that Oliver would likely want to go somewhere he's in the window or where the club is on a decent trajectory - like an Adelaide, a GWS or the Dogs, for example.

Going to North who are still heavily rebuilding, losing their only half-decent KPD, and trading away all their assets for a player in a position they are incredibly well stocked in, would not look appetizing to a player like him in the prime of his career.

He may be mates with Simpkin, but that doesn't mean he's going to spend 3-5 years in the wilderness just so he can play with his mate. He'll go to a club where he can be well paid and have success and a fresh start - rather than just only well paid.

Great post but will be both sides of the coin in the end when it comes to peoples opinions. Price will be high if it happens as he is the top echelon. If Harley Reid gets close to Oliver’s calibre you would call it a win.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out however Neale’s impact will set a big precedent.

Thank god trade period spiced up.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

If he is happy to got to North and it is for pick 2 and on 7 year 7mill deal I'll be spitting chips, talent alone is one thing sure but major red flags with this one

Yeah I said there's either big winners or big losers from this, no in between but with all due respect you guys have some incredible drug addiction to draft picks. Like, quality contracted players cost a lot of draft capital and draft capital is something you arguably have too much of. If North kept pick 2, you've already lost the trade because clearly Oliver is an absolute headcase for Melbourne to let him go without getting it

 

[Foxx]

I'd sincerely hope Essendon don't chase him.
The trade bounty would be too much.

Even pick 1 (Harley Reid) wouldn't be enough to get it done.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Yeah I said there's either big winners or big losers from this, no in between but with all due respect you guys have some incredible drug addiction to draft picks. Like, quality contracted players cost a lot of draft capital and draft capital is something you arguably have too much of. If North kept pick 2, you've already lost the trade because clearly Oliver is an absolute headcase for Melbourne to let him go without getting it

Would rather McKercher or Curtin than a 26 year old Oliver.

Nuts.

 

[sharp450]

Do the Demons need anymore VFL ruckman

We should never trade with Collingwood again, Kennedy, Lumumba, Dawes

 

[Makeshift Park]

Makeshift Park your suggestion is much more reasonable than the other poster - but still not in the realms of possibility.

We're talking about a multiple B+F, AA, Premiership, AFLCA, Top 10 player in the game when on song - for either Pick 5-10 alone, or Pick 5, Pick 12-15ish and a Future 1st?

The thing that a lot of posters fail to realise when it comes to clubs trading a player, is that just because a player is rumoured as being 'pushed out' - doesn't meant that club will readily accept 'unders' either.

Also, a club will ALWAYS, go after the max capital - on the basis of market value for their player. Had we not landed all those picks for Tim Kelly, GWS may have just taken compo and not asked us to give up 3 1sts - which they could rightfully ask for. Now thankfully we got 2 seconds back and those firsts drifted out, but GWS asked us for everything we had, because they knew they could.

If North REALLY wanted Clarry, Melbourne would go 'yep we're happy for him to look around...but this is not a firesale and he is an elite player of the competition - and we want compensation that equals that standing.' If it's North they ask for Pick 2 and 3. If it's Hawks, they ask for Pick 3 and a Future 1st. If it's us they ask for 7, Max Holmes and a Future 1st.

There's no scenario where they will not ask for Picks 2 and 3. If Oliver really wants out and the club wants him gone, then he'll likely have to accept that he'll go where the club wants him to go (within reason and taking his wants into account) for max profit, rather than where he wants to go solely - given the massive contract he just signed.

17 other clubs would want him. This won't be a 'take it or leave it' situation involving one club. Not to mention the fact that Oliver would likely want to go somewhere he's in the window or where the club is on a decent trajectory - like an Adelaide, a GWS or the Dogs, for example.

Going to North who are still heavily rebuilding, losing their only half-decent KPD, and trading away all their assets for a player in a position they are incredibly well stocked in, would not look appetizing to a player like him in the prime of his career.

He may be mates with Simpkin, but that doesn't mean he's going to spend 3-5 years in the wilderness just so he can play with his mate. He'll go to a club where he can be well paid and have success and a fresh start - rather than just only well paid.

To be clear, my current thinking is that without a comprehensive account of what has been going on at the Dees this year, and one that's informed by multiple insiders, Oliver's basically impossible to value. I'm glad Todd Viney is in the big seat for this one.

Even if it came out that Oliver had "just" cracked the shits with the doctors, for a club in North's position, where we really need rock-solid leadership material to get contending again, and we obviously have critical list positions still to fill in the meantime, I'd struggle to justify much more than a top 3 pick and a late first rounder.

But who knows. Throw in Spargo and we might be able to cook something up.

 

[RUNVS]

We should never trade with Collingwood again, Kennedy, Lumumba, Dawes

Wasn't Dawes a pretty good choice for Melbourne given your list build position at the time? Did not need a great Key Forward, just one who provided a target.

 

[Ctl]

The Giants have the picks to make it happen could see them getting Oliver to replace Ward. It will be interesting though , given Grundy and Oliver are both Conor sports clients, as well as Harley Reid.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

There’s also the potential that Melbourne are doing this to give Oliver a massive rocket to get his shit together.

 

[sharp450]

Wasn't Dawes a pretty good choice for Melbourne given your list build position at the time? Did not need a great Key Forward, just one who provided a target.

True mate, didn't like it at the time but could understand it

 

[Lach72]

Can’t believe this became true, unreal.

Like I posted earlier, clubs don’t let top 5 AFL players contracted till 2030 go. The off field issues must be MASSIVE.

Feels like there’s only massive winners or massive losers in this trade

quite glad we:

1. Got rid of our stupids on Hogan
2. Don’t have the picks to give.

has the potential to be the best or the worst thing that ever happens to the trading club…guess which side we’d end upon…Dockery

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The Giants have the picks to make it happen could see them getting Oliver to replace Ward. It will be interesting though , given Grundy and Oliver are both Conor sports clients, as well as Harley Reid.

I dont think that's worth it when they've got a cheaper, younger version of him already. They also have to be very careful with salary space and getting Oliver would mean losing someone good at some point

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Fanciful talk.
He's signed up for the long haul until 2030 and the only way it could possibly work is if a club out there had a gun forward as part of the package because this year illustrated Melbourne's midfield can manage quite fine without Oliver but they cannot function without an elite key forward.

If there was no off field issues I could see a Naughton for Oliver happen, wouldn't say either side supporters would say yes to it, just it makes a bit of sense.

 

[Foxman98]

If there was no off field issues I could see a Naughton for Oliver happen, wouldn't say either side supporters would say yes to it, just it makes a bit of sense.

Makes no sense whatsoever for us