News Coaching Thread: The Hardwick Era

[SunsBhoy]

Stuart Dew for mine

Dew has been highly touted for a number of years now ala Bolton , agree would be perfect.


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[Bazza37]

Where's Cochrane????
Gone quiet
Where did his loyalty go ??
Haven't heard from him for a while
Is it because he has been told to shut up or is it because he doesn't want to answer questions about wholesale changes at the club at end of the season.


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[GcSunsfan]

Where's Cochrane????
Gone quiet
Where did his loyalty go ??
Haven't heard from him for a while
Is it because he has been told to shut up or is it because he doesn't want to answer questions about wholesale changes at the club at end of the season.


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Are you for real ? Why dose our lord in savior The Coch have to say anything ?
We are 5-7 and one win and a bit of percentage out of the 8.
Come on mate the clubs not in crisis

 

[Iva Bigun]

Agree to disagree no dramas,however, I'll make the point that when u get older and in your 50s etc, you mellow naturally and u do think very carefully about your retirement nest egg. He's human.

Are you in your 50's because you certainly mouth off like your an expert on the subject, multiple times you have played the old is weak and disinterested card in recent weeks, maybe I find this grating as I am now on my late 40's but regardless I think your doing Rocket a great disservice.

 

[Iva Bigun]

I call BS on the Clarkson rumour, if he was in negotiations he would have us go to him, not fly up here knowing he would be seen. One thing the man is not is stupid.

 

[SandyToes]

Are you in your 50's because you certainly mouth off like your an expert on the subject, multiple times you have played the old is weak and disinterested card in recent weeks, maybe I find this grating as I am now on my late 40's but regardless I think your doing Rocket a great disservice.

Yeah Arsene Wenger, Bill Belichick Gregg Popovich wave from their pensioner seats
This obsession we have in AFL with turning over coaches as too old in their 50's is bizarre
This is what weak old and disinterested looks like as a 70 year old champion NBA coach
By all accounts he was geating ready to say "Fffffine decision ref"

 

[Mini GF]

Are you in your 50's because you certainly mouth off like your an expert on the subject, multiple times you have played the old is weak and disinterested card in recent weeks, maybe I find this grating as I am now on my late 40's but regardless I think your doing Rocket a great disservice.

No I'm not in my 50s but yeah I see it a lot over the years in the workplace.
Blokes hit their 50s and become totally obsessed with their Super.

 

[Iva Bigun]

No I'm not in my 50s but yeah I see it a lot over the years in the workplace.
Blokes hit their 50s and become totally obsessed with their Super.

Can't say I've seen the same but just as not every millennial is Obsessed with sharing every boring detail of their life on social media, not every older man is obsessed with super

Rocket is a very good coach that wants success for our club, is he still the right man? Maybe not, but disinterested and just there to top up his super is just rubbish IMO

 

[Mini GF]

Can't say I've seen the same but just as not every millennial is Obsessed with sharing every boring detail of their life on social media, not every older man is obsessed with super

Rocket is a very good coach that wants success for our club, is he still the right man? Maybe not, but disinterested and just there to top up his super is just rubbish IMO

You asked me why I thought that and I answered you about where I was coming from.

To you and all the others who hit the like for that retort it's called courtesy.

 

[SnusCG]

Whoever the coach is that we get. I just pray that they can enforce some kind of defensive mindset in the group which it appears that we just lack in games. Sick of seeing teams kicking high scores against us. We need more emphasis on contested ball, tackling and team defense.

Hoping that we can get any of Roos, Dew, Clarkson, B.Scott, Voss or Barker. In saying that though, theres still a lot left to play out this season. Rocket may well be able to turn it around

 

[JRyan23]

Whoever the coach is that we get. I just pray that they can enforce some kind of defensive mindset in the group which it appears that we just lack in games. Sick of seeing teams kicking high scores against us. We need more emphasis on contested ball, tackling and team defense.

Hoping that we can get any of Roos, Dew, Clarkson, B.Scott, Voss or Barker. In saying that though, theres still a lot left to play out this season. Rocket may well be able to turn it around

This is very true. 10 rounds to go, we'll all look silly if they turn this season around

 

[Stroppy]

I do agree though that Eade is way too old for them to relate to. I don't think even I can relate to him. It's a Superannuation top up for him. He's not passionate about the club.

Blokes hit their 50s and become totally obsessed with their Super.

It is the comments about this job being a super top up for him that annoy me (and obviously others). Yes you answered the original query but it was a generic response and not about Rocket himself.

Rocket actually had a relatively cushy and well paid job as Director of Coaching at the most well funded club in the land (the Pies) when we came knocking at his door. The Pies pay well.

If he is getting paid more with the Suns than his old job then he has also had to put up with rubbish facilities for 2.5 years (did not move in to the new digs until February this year), a lot more stress, a lot more responsibility, less free time, and a lot more travel.

And iirc we are in the bottom 2 in total football club spending. We are short staffed compared to pretty much every other club, especially in his 1st 2 years. It was a very hard road to travel and he earned his dough to this point.

I agree that this year with a fit list his coaching has not worked well enough, the team are not performing as well as they can, and he should be let go. He may well be past it. But I disagree with the comments about him taking the job for the money.

When you have been a senior coach for a long time, there a lot easier ways to make a quid in the AFL industry than be the senior coach again.

 

[Mini GF]

It is the comments about this job being a super top up for him that annoy me (and obviously others). Yes you answered the original query but it was a generic response and not about Rocket himself.

Rocket actually had a relatively cushy and well paid job as Director of Coaching at the most well funded club in the land (the Pies) when we came knocking at his door. The Pies pay well.

If he is getting paid more with the Suns than his old job then he has also had to put up with rubbish facilities for 2.5 years (did not move in to the new digs until February this year), a lot more stress, a lot more responsibility, less free time, and a lot more travel.

And iirc we are in the bottom 2 in total football club spending. We are short staffed compared to pretty much every other club, especially in his 1st 2 years. It was a very hard road to travel and he earned his dough to this point.

I agree that this year with a fit list his coaching has not worked well enough, the team are not performing as well as they can, and he should be let go. He may well be past it. But I disagree with the comments about him taking the job for the money.

When you have been a senior coach for a long time, there a lot easier ways to make a quid in the AFL industry than be the senior coach again.

Good reply
He's still cooked though
Inconsistency of effort
Poor starts
Questionable game plan
Clubs going past us
Not good enough

 

[supernova_]

Good reply
He's still cooked though
Inconsistency of effort
Poor starts
Questionable game plan
Clubs going past us
Not good enough

That's not entirely on the coach? Effort is players, poor starts is players, questionable game plan is irrellevant if there is no effort. What clubs have gone past us when we have been quite poor and near the bottom of the table? IF you're suggesting Carlton from 1 win, thats over reaction.

Don't forget we beat Geelong, West Coast, Hawthorn x2, Carlton. We've never beaten Hawthorn or West Coast in 7 years until this year? I think it's naiive to think it's all on Rocket. Out of all our off field staff, I actually think he is one that should stay before the likes of Clayton, Ashcroft, some assistant coaching. Why do they select the types of characters/players in the recruitment/trade periods? We can go round in circles for months on this

Can you elaborate as to why he is cooked, other than the points you raised above? What do you think he is not doing that he should be as a senior coach, be mindful he can't kick the ball during play

 

[Mini GF]

I'm disappointed in the players too for sure
GAJ with his distractions
Hall is so soft
Players are terrible at tackling
Lynch/Wright gone backwards
So many midfielders haven't kicked on
GAJ should be a permanent forward now but the mids can't win the hard ball
Yeah sign me up for criticism of the players

I think each club is entitled to a maximum of 2 poor starts or insipid efforts in a season

Sadly under Rocket it happens all too regularly.

I'm not a Robinson Crusoe on this, stacks of people are over it.

I made the decision after the Port Adelaide game and once I decide a coach is done, nothing changes it.

Once again though-I'm not alone, not one of my mates support him anymore.
There's plenty of grumpiness in here too.
Some people are already disscussing who the replacement will be.

Down at my local watering hole too which is an AFL club it's all over red rover there for Rocket.

 

[supernova_]

I hear you, but just not getting your reasons. Out of all our off field staff Rocket the one to go?? I actually think he needs to be given a go, he has been under Ashcroft. Poor facilities to deal with, drug and culture issues to clean up. In my view he has had 10 games, as he had to deal with all the shit he started with.

I want Ashcroft and/or Clayton to go, plus an opportunity for Rocket to hire his own staff, which he hasn't been able to do.

 

[SunnerSS]

What Do you guys think if rocket signed on for another year as a mentoring role for a coach like Barker a scenario like roos and Goodwin.

 

[vide0n]

What Do you guys think if rocket signed on for another year as a mentoring role for a coach like Barker a scenario like roos and Goodwin.

It has been mooted a bit, most people seem to be comfortable with it and I like it, the big question is if Rocket is interested in doing that, as he could probably take a similar role anywhere

I personally think it could never happen mostly because it seems like rubbing a bit of salt into the wound for me, but I'm not Rodney Eade so he might see it differently. Don't see how it could hurt

 

[Mini GF]

I hear you, but just not getting your reasons. Out of all our off field staff Rocket the one to go?? I actually think he needs to be given a go, he has been under Ashcroft. Poor facilities to deal with, drug and culture issues to clean up. In my view he has had 10 games, as he had to deal with all the shit he started with.

I want Ashcroft and/or Clayton to go, plus an opportunity for Rocket to hire his own staff, which he hasn't been able to do.

There definitely needs to be major changes

I am too new to afl to have an opinion on Scott Clayton so I'm going to pass on that one

I really like the idea of Ashcroft being boned and Eade taking over his job actually.

That way Eade gets to continue doing the work that all you gents give him credit for.

 

[eppo67]

I hear you, but just not getting your reasons. Out of all our off field staff Rocket the one to go?? I actually think he needs to be given a go, he has been under Ashcroft. Poor facilities to deal with, drug and culture issues to clean up. In my view he has had 10 games, as he had to deal with all the shit he started with.

I want Ashcroft and/or Clayton to go, plus an opportunity for Rocket to hire his own staff, which he hasn't been able to do.

Much better available players this year and virtually no improvement. In fact ‰ wise in relation to players available we have gone backwards IMO.
Agree with your ideas re Ashcroft and Clayton though and being able to bring his own staff.
The whole football department needs a clean out.
AND IT'S COMING

 

[Cochblocked]

I hear you, but just not getting your reasons. Out of all our off field staff Rocket the one to go?? I actually think he needs to be given a go, he has been under Ashcroft. Poor facilities to deal with, drug and culture issues to clean up. In my view he has had 10 games, as he had to deal with all the shit he started with.

I want Ashcroft and/or Clayton to go, plus an opportunity for Rocket to hire his own staff, which he hasn't been able to do.

Clayton seems very hit or miss with his picks but i don't think he should be sacked unless there is really a person out there is better than him. A lot of his failed picks have come down to poor development which isn't really his fault. You can still contribute some of the Dogs success last year to his recruiting.

 

[Dammit]

I hear you, but just not getting your reasons. Out of all our off field staff Rocket the one to go?? I actually think he needs to be given a go, he has been under Ashcroft. Poor facilities to deal with, drug and culture issues to clean up. In my view he has had 10 games, as he had to deal with all the shit he started with.

I want Ashcroft and/or Clayton to go, plus an opportunity for Rocket to hire his own staff, which he hasn't been able to do.

they both need to go, along with the rest. I'm with you - rocket should be last one out the door, if at all.

 

[OB11]

This will sound silly - if you are going to bring someone in for Eade to groom what about Luke Hodge? Probably his last year playing, open up the cheque book and sign him up to learn the reigns in the next year or two, surround him with Eade and best assistant coaches that money can buy (e.g. Brendan McCarthy type). I'm sure Hodge could build his own football department with the contacts he has.

Hate the Hawks but him and Joel Selwood are the players that demand the ultimate respect and would teach the players to play hard and smart footy.

 

[Sunraysia]

This will sound silly - if you are going to bring someone in for Eade to groom what about Luke Hodge? Probably his last year playing, open up the cheque book and sign him up to learn the reigns in the next year or two, surround him with Eade and best assistant coaches that money can buy (e.g. Brendan McCarthy type). I'm sure Hodge could build his own football department with the contacts he has.

Hate the Hawks but him and Joel Selwood are the players that demand the ultimate respect and would teach the players to play hard and smart footy.

Love it - Even though I hate Hodge - our players definitely need a physical dimension. If Eade wants to stay - he would be great in a role similar to his old Collingwood role.

 

[supernova_]

Hodge is not a coache's a$$hole. The bloke is as rough as guts, drink drives as a senior player in 2015 right before finals, missed training earlier this year and got suspended.

If at his mature level can't do the simple discipline things, how the hell would you expect him to be a coach of a footy club?

Plenty of other potential players that would be better suited to groom.