Opinion Colin Sylvia

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Hope you guys don't mind the intrusion but it's interesting to read the comments on this board about Sylvia. Very similar to comments on the Melbourne Board re him.
Personally I hope Lyon gets the best out of him as i for one enjoyed his best (although we rarely got to see it)
 
Just seems slow, and while im sure he does enough km per match, he just looks like he plods around when he hasn't got the ball (as opposed to others who show intensity)
 

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I thought he would be one of the missing pieces of the puzzle.. sadly I was wrong. Having said that, should be given more of a crack in the midfield especially the incumbents are getting smashed
 
Lach72 said:
I've Not watched the game but we lose the game against the bottom side by ten goals. Eleventy million and a thread gets started about a half forward being inadequate.

Excuse me for getting all pokerspiv but how the **** is Roo getting enough ball for 30 possessions?

How did they get 33 shots on goal?

Just lol.
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I'll join in too. Lol.

Seriously we got belted in the midfield, with zero pressure on the ball carrier but that hardly mattered anyway because St Kilda's forwards had a full 3 metres on our backs every time they lead at the ball in the first half. I'm not sure what their f50 entry to scoring shot stat was but it must have been through the roof.

Let's save the Sylvia bashing for when he was actually the worst or at least near worst on ground and if you're lost for who was worse I can even get you started. L.Neale 13 disposals as a mid who the last few weeks has been free on the outside of the chain. D. Mundy - 15 disposals as a leader around the ball, Dawson's opponent had 22 kicks 16 marks and kicked 4.1. McPharlin was led to the ball by his man on every occasion bar one in which his opponent was still able to mark, whether he was injured or not?, Johnson's disposal out of the backline was comical and...he got beaten by his man comprehensively. Crowley was very well beaten by Montagna, Griffin - :eek:, Morabito looked lost but worse than that he failed to back up for a second effort on several occasions. There were others too who could be considered at least as bad or worse than Sylvia today too but the above are far more culpable if we're looking for a goat.

That Sylvia kick that went out of bounds on the full was after he unselfishly passed to Pav earlier in the game too remember so it's hardly like he's a glory hunter.

Everyone knows that he's one of a number of players who are in the last couple picked of our very best 22 but that doesn't mean he's a crab and today was his fault at all. There will be plenty of opportunities to say OUT: Sylvia when we have Walters and Ballantyne available but seriously what could any forward have done today with that service or lack thereof?
 
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andrew99 said:
nah, don't be a sensationalist

Slyvia can't be blamed for a team's insipid performance, he's a forward playing the price for the bad delivery he's receiving.

This thread is just a continuation of a wider anti-Slyvia campaign based on emotion + a culture of hatred for new imports.

Sylvia is close to untouchable when in form, Ross knows this and he'll back Slyvia in, irrespective of his current form.
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Have to disagree, he is barely contributing and we have been carrying him. I think he has been getting games more in hope that he would show us what he's got but he hasn't been as hungry as Walters or Deboer who will replace him. His lack of input has been covered over by our usual dominance but against the likes of port hawks swans and cats we need everyone contributing. You give kids games on potential, you give veterans games on output. He may come good next year, but he may not.
 
Smoking jacket, you seem to be focussing on today's game and if I (or others) were only doing that I would concur with you. The problem is I'm commenting on his season and when he has played we have won but he still hasn't shown much of what I know he can produce...really disappointing.
 
FD2646 said:
Smoking jacket, you seem to be focussing on today's game and if I (or others) were only doing that I would concur with you. The problem is I'm commenting on his season and when he has played we have won but he still hasn't shown much of what I know he can produce...really disappointing.
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Not showing his potential is one thing but he's getting called everything from a pea-heart to a waste of space. He's been average yeah but today a bunch of our team were nearer to the far left of bell curve than the middle. As I said when we've got everyone available he will probably go but in a team with no Walters, no Ballantyne, Mayne being switched around in role, a very raw Key forward who else would you have preferred out there today?

Not Crozier btw, he's not the answer at this stage.
 
smokingjacket said:
Not showing his potential is one thing but he's getting called everything from a pea-heart to a waste of space. He's been average yeah but today a bunch of our team were nearer to the far left of bell curve than the middle. As I said when we've got everyone available he will probably go but in a team with no Walters, no Ballantyne, Mayne being switched around in role, a very raw Key forward who else would you have preferred out there today?

Not Crozier btw, he's not the answer at this stage.
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Yeh but as Sylvia is an experienced player you would think in the situation of us missing a few he would arc up and put in
I havent seen him put in yet for Peel or Freo.He has underperformed in both grades
He has been a waste of space
 

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salim malik said:
Yeh but as Sylvia is an experienced player you would think in the situation of us missing a few he would arc up and put in
I havent seen him put in yet for Peel or Freo.He has underperformed in both grades
He has been a waste of space
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salim I know exactly where you're coming from. I'm very disappointed so far too and I'm not some devotee but I just feel that today was not the game that he deserves to cop the flak for, in fact I think that to blame him for today would be a poor showing on the clubs behalf if they really want to accept the reality of the loss and what went wrong.

If I'm being honest I thought that today would have been the game that I went "nah not working Col, cya" but that was off of an expectation that we would have a reasonably healthy win. I thought that if he didn't contribute with Ballantyne out and more licence up front in a good win then...yeah sorry back to Peel until you can work it out or you force someone out the 22.

In this case though we got creamed in the middle, 59 inside 50's to 42 and most of ours were terrible entries. I hoped that he would kick a few today as well but for what we dished up that was always going to be a massive struggle. If we're using that same benchmark then our whole forward line was a waste of space because the mids couldn't get it down there with any sort of method. I'll say it again because I actually agree with you for the most part, Sylvia will struggle for a game when we have Walters and Ballantyne back because they are better players in that role. I'm just not so keen on everyone wheeling out the new guy to kick when the reason we lost had very little to do with him.
 
Today isn't the day to be singling anyone out, I agree.

That said I could understand to keep Sylvia if he at least looked like he had intent. Today really highlighted how far off he is.

He handballed with panic. On one occassion he stood there and had no idea who to kick to and got tackled and had to handball off.

Not worth 'another' week.

You play your way in, you play your way out.
 
To me the most important aspect of this thread is not Colin Sylvia, who occassionaly does some nice things, but his competition for the half/forward role. Within 2 minutes of Matt De Boer being on the ground, he ran full steam at a St Kilda player and laid a great tackle. Unfortunately for Colin, he has not shown that sort of intent.
It is a brutal game at this level, and if you can not put your body on the line, then unfortunately you must make way for another who can.
 
gungho said:
To me the most important aspect of this thread is not Colin Sylvia, who occassionaly does some nice things, but his competition for the half/forward role. Within 2 minutes of Matt De Boer being on the ground, he ran full steam at a St Kilda player and laid a great tackle. Unfortunately for Colin, he has not shown that sort of intent.
It is a brutal game at this level, and if you can not put your body on the line, then unfortunately you must make way for another who can.
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This.

Col will be selected for the Carlton game only if Gu and others are out with injuries and Hilly etc aren't yet right to come back. If Col boy does fluke a selection for the Carlton game he would want to play literally out of his skin (Walking Dead style) or he will be lucky to stay on our list, let alone play another game this year.

So far, right up there with the Jack Anthony signing as the worst ever acquisitions by FFC. I'd say I told you so but that would be tawdry and triumphialistic in defeat...
 
smokingjacket said:
salim I know exactly where you're coming from. I'm very disappointed so far too and I'm not some devotee but I just feel that today was not the game that he deserves to cop the flak for, in fact I think that to blame him for today would be a poor showing on the clubs behalf if they really want to accept the reality of the loss and what went wrong.

If I'm being honest I thought that today would have been the game that I went "nah not working Col, cya" but that was off of an expectation that we would have a reasonably healthy win. I thought that if he didn't contribute with Ballantyne out and more licence up front in a good win then...yeah sorry back to Peel until you can work it out or you force someone out the 22.

In this case though we got creamed in the middle, 59 inside 50's to 42 and most of ours were terrible entries. I hoped that he would kick a few today as well but for what we dished up that was always going to be a massive struggle. If we're using that same benchmark then our whole forward line was a waste of space because the mids couldn't get it down there with any sort of method. I'll say it again because I actually agree with you for the most part, Sylvia will struggle for a game when we have Walters and Ballantyne back because they are better players in that role. I'm just not so keen on everyone wheeling out the new guy to kick when the reason we lost had very little to do with him.
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Smokin I've seen a lot of Sylvia since he arrived late at Freo for the pre season.He has put himself behind the eightball from day one arriving at the club not in the condition necessary.I have watched him through all the pre season ,a lot of the regular training sessions and most of his Peel and all his Freo games and he has been underwhelming in all since day one.I'm not kicking Sylvia for todays effort but for his non effort since he arrived here
 
Not sure who should come in though that is fit?

Players do look average when their team is hammered by 10 goals, no point scape goating 1 bloke after what just happened.

Remember McPhee was average upon his return to us and everyone was hating on him. Things can shift quickly if you give them a run at it.
 
Freo88 said:
Not sure who should come in though that is fit?

Players do look average when their team is hammered by 10 goals, no point scape goating 1 bloke after what just happened.

Remember McPhee was average upon his return to us and everyone was hating on him. Things can shift quickly if you give them a run at it.
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McPhee always set high standards at training. One of the fittest and most meticulous preparers. Talent wise not fit to tie Colin's shoelaces, however will retire the much better player.
 
rgauci said:
McPhee always set high standards at training. One of the fittest and most meticulous preparers. Talent wise not fit to tie Colin's shoelaces, however will retire the much better player.
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Fair points. I'm just hoping that this isn't Jack Anthony MkII
 
salim malik said:
Smokin I've seen a lot of Sylvia since he arrived late at Freo for the pre season.He has put himself behind the eightball from day one arriving at the club not in the condition necessary.I have watched him through all the pre season ,a lot of the regular training sessions and most of his Peel and all his Freo games and he has been underwhelming in all since day one.I'm not kicking Sylvia for todays effort but for his non effort since he arrived here
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Yeah I know that salim and to tell you the truth, you're right about the preseason stuff and I'm not having a go at you in any way for your opinion on Sylvia because you contribute just about more than anyone on this board with training reports, Peel updates and first hand knowledge so I respect your opinion a lot.

I'm just frustrated at a number of things. Sylvia's output isn't where we would have liked it at this stage of the year but I don't think he's been as bad as some on here have made out. I wouldn't classify his effort as consistently good but we've got a few players who are rated highly on the board who are also in this category. Secondly, and I know this isn't you, but as a fan base we've had a tendency to go a bit feral on imported players before and I'm just trying to provide some counter points to why I don't think he was the worst player on the field in a game where we got absolutely smashed all over the park.

As I said earlier if we had of won by 100 points today and he didn't have a big game he was the first person I would have looked to chop. In this case though what I view to be kicking the new guy only serves to deflect blame away from our core group who barring Pav were incredibly poor today.
 
Saw a play where we were trying to lock ball in our fwd 50. Fyfe ran past col and pointed encouragingly to where col should run to apply pressure. Col ended up staying in roughly the same spot on the field and applied no pressure ball came out. He just doesn't look fit enough to apply pressure round the ground and only looks half okay with ball in hand. Don't reckon he is doing enough to keep his spot when others are fit. Can't see him staying in for Carlton based on his efforts to date!
 
smokingjacket said:
Yeah I know that salim and to tell you the truth, you're right about the preseason stuff and I'm not having a go at you in any way for your opinion on Sylvia because you contribute just about more than anyone on this board with training reports, Peel updates and first hand knowledge so I respect your opinion a lot.

I'm just frustrated at a number of things. Sylvia's output isn't where we would have liked it at this stage of the year but I don't think he's been as bad as some on here have made out. I wouldn't classify his effort as consistently good but we've got a few players who are rated highly on the board who are also in this category. Secondly, and I know this isn't you, but as a fan base we've had a tendency to go a bit feral on imported players before and I'm just trying to provide some counter points to why I don't think he was the worst player on the field in a game where we got absolutely smashed all over the park.

As I said earlier if we had of won by 100 points today and he didn't have a big game he was the first person I would have looked to chop. In this case though what I view to be kicking the new guy only serves to deflect blame away from our core group who barring Pav were incredibly poor today.
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He really hasn't done a thing since getting into the side. Not as if today was the exception.

When he got subbed in his first game he had 3 touches and people were saying he did ok. He had over 40 minutes in that game and as far as I'm concerned your sub should have more of an impact in whatever position they play. He got a full game for the following 5 weeks and in 4 of those we were big winner and he contributed little. 1 goal! I mean are you serious?

He laid 2 tackles today, to take his tally to 13 for the season. He is giving us nothing.

The play that summed up where he's at was he had 10m on his opponent running onto a loose ball and into 50m. He got chased down, kicked out on the full and had players streaming into space. Bloody useless. If it was just that one act, you could be forgiven.

Twice he handballed to nobody. I mean literally nobody. Just panicked handballs.

Finally if that wasn't enough he unselfishly chipped a ball (off the side of his foot) to put Pavlich deep in the pocket, when again he was clear, 40m out and running into goal.

Was he the worst today? No. Bottom 3-4 probably. Has he stored any credit points over the last 5 or so weeks? You got to be kidding me, hasn't done a thing.

He has to be gone, should be gone and either needs a big preseason or joins the group of Freo recruiting failures.

Am I being harsh? Perhaps, but if you come over on a 3 year deal with expectations you either deliver or GTFO.
 

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