Collingwood List Management Thread

[Kirby]

Thanks Beamer. That's a shame for Tom but I can't say I'm all that surprised.

Yeah I'm hoping Bolton stays too. I'll guess we'll find out very soon.

 

[HFF]

If we are seriously scrapping the entire rookie list it means we will not be using many selections at all in the upcoming draft for the senior list- probably the mandatory 2 only.

Probably means Jarrod Witts will most likely enter via the rookie list, ditto Hartley to fill up the numbers we are slashing too.

Out of all the rookies to retain, I too agree Jye Bolton would be very stiff to be cut completely. He should be retained for at least another year on the rookie list if he ain't promoted.

 

[TradeDraft]

I spoke to one of Tom's close friends yesterday who was told personally from Tom. However, I'm personally hoping Bolton isn't included in the delistings. So yeah 100% sure Gordon is gone.

So they are just going to Reload in the Rookie Draft

 

[HFF]

So they are just going to Reload in the Rookie Draft

As I posted above Dave, not so much reload but they have probably already planned and decided that Hartley and Witts will be placed on the rookie list meaning there will only be a couple of more spots available for current or other rookies.

Will be interesting to see how many changes the club makes (I can't see many off the senior list to be honest) considering we made wholesale changes last season.

If all the current rookie listed players receive the chop I wouldn't be disappointed at all. To be honest, there isn't too much to like about them at all- Bolton showed the most though. Not Hine's finest hour looking for diamonds in the rough.

 

[TradeDraft]

If we are seriously scrapping the entire rookie list it means we will not be using many selections at all in the upcoming draft for the senior list- probably the mandatory 2 only.

Probably means Jarrod Witts will most likely enter via the rookie list, ditto Hartley to fill up the numbers we are slashing too.

Out of all the rookies to retain, I too agree Jye Bolton would be very stiff to be cut completely. He should be retained for at least another year on the rookie list if he ain't promoted.

I would think that Bolton would be Promoted.

Yeah IF the rest of the Rookie list was given the Ass. Witts and Harley wouuld be going on there and Taking Some Projects and only using the 3 Picks we have to use

 

[Quicky]

I had us down to get rid of everyone except Bolton Cribbin and Gordon and I was very dubious on Gordon.

Bolton would be a big shock and Cribbin a surprise after just the one season. But the Bolton rumour was going around before this one.

I try not to buy into rumours too much and let my common sense decide but you can never be certain.

It wouldn't be totally without logic to take advantage of the extended 8 man rookie list in the last year we can do so before the rules change. With Hartley and Witts able to be listed outside the list of 8 we have only committed to adding Caolan Mooney to the list so we'd have 7 live rookie picks.

Perhaps we intend to try and re-rookie some of our senior listed guys like Dick and Farmer to create senior list positions?

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Perhaps we intend to try and re-rookie some of our senior listed guys like Dick and Farmer to create senior list positions?

I think this makes the most sense.
If you look at our list and have to identify the 2 worst performing senior list players this season, they would be Stubbs and Farmer.
First year senior players get a minimum 2 year AFL contact (Rookie list only 1 year).
Therefore if you are going to delist a couple of first year senior list players like Stubbs and Farmer you are obligated to pay if they aren't picked up by another team and therefore given you are paying them for their final year, it makes sense to bring them back as a rookie.
The club did this not long ago when they delisted Toby Thoolen after one year on the senior list but then re-drafted him as a rookie.

 

[Knightmare]

Really disappointing if we have indeed delisted our rookies.

Pretty extreme approach given the relative lack of depth in this years draft.

Tom Gordon we might have delisted because we have enough KPD depth and rate Hartley higher and don't see him as a future best 22 player - which is fair enough. But would still have retained him for that extra year. Can play forward and could have been made into a key forward. Better than many of the KPPs in this years draft.

Cribbin as an Irish rookie after the first year. Very stiff! Never looked out of place and probably deserved that 2nd year also. Again like Gordon where does he fit long term since there are better young talents? Think there is space for a back flanker of his type and think improvement over season 2 would be good.

Bolton delisting is questionable. Should be promoted for mine. Ball use not always 100%. But hard worker. Produces at VFL level and didn't look out of place at AFL when given the opportunity over the preseason either. Carrys a footy everywhere. Wants to make it at the next level. Keeper. Would be in my best 25/26 next year and think he would break through for some senior games.


Anyway. Let's hope the rumours are false re. our rookies. Certainly don't believe it to be the right decision. Particularly Bolton.

 

[Reykjavik]

If we are seriously scrapping the entire rookie list it means we will not be using many selections at all in the upcoming draft for the senior list- probably the mandatory 2 only.

Probably means Jarrod Witts will most likely enter via the rookie list, ditto Hartley to fill up the numbers we are slashing too.

Out of all the rookies to retain, I too agree Jye Bolton would be very stiff to be cut completely. He should be retained for at least another year on the rookie list if he ain't promoted.

Witts and Hartley are irrelevant when it comes to the question of how many rookie spots we will be filling - they are NSW rookies and outside the quota for their first season. So, there should really be no direct link between a need to accomodate them and a decision to terminate rookies from the current list. Delisting then rookie listing some from the current senior list may be on the cards and would have some effect.

I'm more inclined to think Witts will go straight onto the senior list because they may want to use him in the seniors without resorting to LTI list lotto.

If we have taken a razor to the rookie list its likely that part of the thinking is driven by age profiling. We took an awful lot of players last season in what was not considered a particularly deep draft due to an unexpectedlly high number of retirements and the last minute walking of Jack Anthony. Hence a lot of speculative picks and we probably never intended to keep more than a few past the year unless they showed exceptional promise.

History suggests you are doing very well to nail 2 - 3 long term solid players from a draft like that and we entered very late (remember 2007 anyone?). Realistically in Fasolo, Seedsman, maybe Young we probably have the 2-3, and waiting around for the likes of Gordon/Perham/Reilly etc etc will probably have less probablility of a successful outcome than reloading. Higher turnover/fast fail is likely to be the norm for us till the 2012 draft which has the depth to make persistence worthwhile.

 

[Reykjavik]

Really disappointing if we have indeed delisted our rookies.

Pretty extreme approach given the relative lack of depth in this years draft.

Tom Gordon we might have delisted because we have enough KPD depth and rate Hartley higher and don't see him as a future best 22 player - which is fair enough. But would still have retained him for that extra year. Can play forward and could have been made into a key forward. Better than many of the KPPs in this years draft.

Cribbin as an Irish rookie after the first year. Very stiff! Never looked out of place and probably deserved that 2nd year also. Again like Gordon where does he fit long term since there are better young talents? Think there is space for a back flanker of his type and think improvement over season 2 would be good.

Bolton delisting is questionable. Should be promoted for mine. Ball use not always 100%. But hard worker. Produces at VFL level and didn't look out of place at AFL when given the opportunity over the preseason either. Carrys a footy everywhere. Wants to make it at the next level. Keeper. Would be in my best 25/26 next year and think he would break through for some senior games.


Anyway. Let's hope the rumours are false re. our rookies. Certainly don't believe it to be the right decision. Particularly Bolton.

On Bolton and Cribbin, I also hope the rumour is not true. The only thing that comes to mind is Bucks desire to emphasise disposal by foot. Both (particularly Cribbin) looked questionable on this score for mine. Particularly what I saw of Cribbin suggested he was unusually good for an Irish rookie in terms of his understanding of the flow of our game and positioning etc and unusually bad in his disposal skills.


With Hartley and Keeffe I am not sure we need a speculative KPB, though agree Gordon could easily turn out OK.

 

[Number 10]

If we kept Reed on our list for 3 years, I don't think they would be inclined to delist Bolton and Cribbin - two more promising players than Reed. Chill the **** out everyone

 

[Crazy Tails]

Would be very surprised if they had a mass cleanout of the rookie list.

When is this meant to have happened? As before the WC game I saw Farmer, Gordon and Perham all arriving to the game in their official Pies polo shirts.

Just a question but are we sure that the reference to these guys getting "cut" and not being required is not just them being left out of the senior finals squad?

 

[TradeDraft]

Would be very surprised if they had a mass cleanout of the rookie list.

When is this meant to have happened? As before the WC game I saw Farmer, Gordon and Perham all arriving to the game in their official Pies polo shirts.

Just a question but are we sure that the reference to these guys getting "cut" and not being required is not just them being left out of the senior finals squad?

Well maybe the club wants them to stay to the end of the Season

 

[standingroomonly]

The club has done what they did last year and reduced the squad to a 30 man training group, so if you're not in that you're no chance of playing friday or in a grand final if we make it.

Makes sense that the rookies wouldn't be included in this. Gordon and some others may very well have been delisted as well but to say the whole rookie list has been cleaned out is ridiculous.

 

[Crazy Tails]

I call BS on the entire rookie list being given the flick. Maybe a couple but not all of them.

Tom Gordon was in the rooms after the loss yesterday. Can be seen walking behind Luke Ball in the post match CTV interview in Pies suit and tie. Not sure he would be in there if he was not part of the plan moving forward. Just my 2 cents. I suppose we will have to wait and see.

 

[danielnajdek]

Should have a go at one of the 17 yr olds in that mini draft

Like I said earlier in the year only way we would get one is to throw up a player like Didak. Although his currency would've dropped from his shocking year.

 

[TradeDraft]

I call BS on the entire rookie list being given the flick. Maybe a couple but not all of them.

Tom Gordon was in the rooms after the loss yesterday. Can be seen walking behind Luke Ball in the post match CTV interview in Pies suit and tie. Not sure he would be in there if he was not part of the plan moving forward. Just my 2 cents. I suppose we will have to wait and see.

Could be True - Though the Club might want tall the 2011 Players List There

 

[Stifler's mom]

Should have a go at one of the 17 yr olds in that mini draft

Like I said earlier in the year only way we would get one is to throw up a player like Didak. Although his currency would've dropped from his shocking year.

Didak not even in the ballpark to get 1 of the 17 year olds.

Would need to be Sidebottom at a minimum.

 

[Ed D]

Didak not even in the ballpark to get 1 of the 17 year olds.

Would need to be Sidebottom at a minimum.

You never know. Which clubs are going to offer good players or picks to get these 17 year olds? We won't trade Didak but I'm sure someone like him would do the job.

 

[Number 10]

Can we sign 2 international rookies and put them straight on our senior list?? I have a strong belief this will happen.

 

[TradeDraft]

Sounds Like Clarke might be coming back to collingwood with another Un-Named Kid

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ar-martin-clarke/story-e6frf9jf-1226156483453

 

[Number 10]

Mooney, he will go to the senior list straight away I reckon

 

[Ed D]

Can we sign 2 international rookies and put them straight on our senior list?? I have a strong belief this will happen.

I'm pretty sure if you pick them up in the rookie draft they go on your rookie list, and then you can upgrade them from there if there are injuries etc. But there wouldn't be any point, they'd just stay on the rookie list until they're needed.

 

[Trojan Pies]

If we kept Reed on our list for 3 years, I don't think they would be inclined to delist Bolton and Cribbin - two more promising players than Reed. Chill the **** out everyone

Actually spoke with someone on the inside at the GF dinner post-match on Satruday. We were talking about the list and he menioned that he was surprised at the delisting of Bolton. I nearlly fell over when he mentioned it as I really rate the kid - he then back tracked saying he wasn't certain if he had.

I'd be SERIOUSLY disappointed if he is...

Looking at the entire rookie list, he is the one I would name as most secure so if he is going then I wouldn't be surprised to see all of them go.

FWIW - I reckon Gordon also deserves another crack. Could be a future FB and is KP so takes time to develop. Presti or Pods anyone?

 

[Shade]

Interesting it seems all our rookie list has been culled except for Cribbin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collingwood_Football_Club#Current_playing_list