Collingwood player involved in alleged sexual assualt

[didak04]

Were the Collingwood legal eagles present in this thread anywhere to be seen when a certain player from another club was being labelled a rapist?

You'd hope for consistency's sake they were.

Legal experts pop up in all threads of this nature.

Your pot shots at Collingwood fans are pretty pathetic considering how serious this situation is.

 

[tarks24]

yes it's 2 collingwood players who may have stuffed up but their actions are no reflection on the club, if this did happen then it was their own stupid individual choice. NOT THE CLUB

 

[Haduken]

Legal experts pop up in all threads of this nature.

Your pot shots at Collingwood fans are pretty pathetic considering how serious this situation is.

We already know how you feel about this kind of thing..

I'm happy for the incident to get as much coverage as possible.

Show the clip over and over again, it just reminds everybody what Milne supposedly did in the past.

From the classic and now sadly locked thread on the Malthouse/Milne confrontation. I would direct all Collingwood supporters posting here to check that thread for consistency's sake before posting again in this one.

Just, you know, so they don't wind up looking silly.

 

[WALL-e]

Thats funny... theres a distinction between the two?...

Yep, things get posted on BF first, then on the HS.

 

[Waverley73]

It is astounding how many Bigfooty posters who have law degrees when something like this hits. Sort of like how many surgeons who also post here when talking about someones injury or the number of qualified psycologists when squabbling over a players well being. It is truely a hotbed of overqualified intellects. Amazing stuff.

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

We already know how you feel about this kind of thing..



From the classic and now sadly locked thread on the Malthouse/Milne confrontation. I would direct all Collingwood supporters posting here to check that thread for consistency's sake before posting again in this one.

Just, you know, so they don't wind up looking silly.

Dont expect anything less from Collingwood fans really, they all wanna be big footy police when it involves one of their players, but are happy for other clubs players to cop it unfairly

 

[peter_ford]

two young lives could possibly be ruined, i feel for the player and girl involved. no matter what happens with the police investigation, their lives will never be the same. look at the milne/montagna allegation. i just hope collingwood don't make the same mistake as st. kilda in how they handled the whole case.

 

[didak04]

We already know how you feel about this kind of thing..



From the classic and now sadly locked thread on the Malthouse/Milne confrontation. I would direct all Collingwood supporters posting here to check that thread for consistency's sake before posting again in this one.

Just, you know, so they don't wind up looking silly.

I don't condone what Milne supposedly did, nor do I condone what the Collingwood player involved supposedly did. As far as I am concerned both are open to and deserve all the criticism that they get.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

yes it's 2 collingwood players who may have stuffed up but their actions are no reflection on the club, if this did happen then it was their own stupid individual choice. NOT THE CLUB

I agree. One thing that really annoys me on BigFooty is when a player stuffs up, posters think it's a chance to get stuck into the club he plays for. Clubs aren't kindergartens, they can't be watching over these players 24/7.

These are football issues, not club issues. I've given up ever thinking the message will get through to some of these players. Let's face it, some footballers are just plain thick ... doesn't matter who they play for.

 

[The Zone]

I wrote this on Pies board, may as well drop it here for consideration:

This comment relates to the general issue, not specific cases or this allegation in particular.

Seeing as this issue keeps raising its ugly head, I have a different take, I worry about naive young men living in the cosseted fantasy world of AFL. They're ripe for the picking by predatory behaviours.

That's not to say that bad things haven't been perpetrated by AFL players. I expect they have. In those instances the existing laws are sufficient provided evidence is adequate. I worry about the player's vulnerability to the false allegations of gold diggers and attention seekers.

I'll pose the question, given the lengths AFL and clubs have gone to educate players on behaviour and standards expected of them and assuming the vast majority observe acceptable social norms, how can these young men be protected from predation?

Are they expected to carry around pro forma contracts? (If you get slipped a mickey or lose it are you then guilty by default?) Should false allegations against high profile targets carry more severe penalties?

I just see the whole issue as a horrendous legal morass. I can think of few groups in society who are so vulnerable to false allegations, fraud and extortion and who are so ill-equipped to handle, prevent or protect themselves from those types of allegations and actions.

 

[Bomberman86]

It is astounding how many Bigfooty posters who have law degrees when something like this hits. Sort of like how many surgeons who also post here when talking about someones injury or the number of qualified psycologists when squabbling over a players well being. It is truely a hotbed of overqualified intellects. Amazing stuff.

I didnt see anybody claiming to? I definately didnt, everything I said was out of moral virtue, not legal issues. Im more concerned with the people involved lives being tarnished unfairly. How ridiculous?.

For the record, its an Arts Degree and a Commerce degree/MBA.

 

[sherb]

Legal experts pop up in all threads of this nature.

I don't recall anywhere near this level of discussion on BigFooty about the possible legal ramifications of errant posts regarding an issue.

It would just be nice to see that principle applied across all similar issues here when they occur, not just when it suits.

Your pot shots at Collingwood fans are pretty pathetic considering how serious this situation is.

It is an extremely serious situation and a very disappointing one for all the parties involved - the player(s), the club, its supporters and the alleged aggrieved party.

However, that very small proportion of Pies supporters who have been happy to slander a player from another club probably now have a better understanding of what it is like to be on the other side.

 

[didak04]

However, that very small proportion of Pies supporters who have been happy to slander a player from another club probably now have a better understanding of what it is like to be on the other side.

You're probably right.

I'll readily admit that i've made comments about Milne and i'd make the same comments about the Collingwood player involved too. The issue of sexual assault far transcends any club allegiance that one might have.

One thing I will say is that it is the individual that deserves the criticism, not the club that they play for or the supporters of the club they play for.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I don't condone what Milne supposedly did, nor do I condone what the Collingwood player involved supposedly did. As far as I am concerned both are open to and deserve all the criticism that they get.

Oh what did Milne supposedly do? I dont know of any charges being made against Milne, Beams, McCarthy or any other AFL player.
But I may just make derogatory remarks about them for the rest of their lives.

If you idiots could just stop slandering other players for 5 minutes you might find this will go away sooner.

 

[dunno4]

For the record, I was a lawyer until I changed professions.

Some of the quasi legal writings here are great reading but..........

Firstly, truth is a defence in a libel/defamation case.

Repeating a name, if that name is in fact the correct one is not an offence.

You might be on slippery ground if you wrote the wrong name.

Secondly, the second Collingwood player at this point in time is simply a witness, nothing more or nothing less.

Thirdly, it is a terrible situation for those involved, there will be no winners only losers. Looking at the judgement just passed down in Stewart case (the Manly rugby league player) everyone on bigfooty would be best served to say no more and simply let the legal process run its course.

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

For the record, I was a lawyer until I changed professions.

Some of the quasi legal writings here are great reading but..........

Firstly, truth is a defence in a libel/defamation case.

Repeating a name, if that name is in fact the correct one is not an offence.

You might be on slippery ground if you wrote the wrong name.

Secondly, the second Collingwood player at this point in time is simply a witness, nothing more or nothing less.

Thirdly, it is a terrible situation for those involved, there will be no winners only losers. Looking at the judgement just passed down in Stewart case (the Manly rugby league player) everyone on bigfooty would be best served to say no more and simply let the legal process run its course.

LOL gone from lawyer to bigfooty police...well done

 

[Matt_TY]

If these allegations are true, that is very disappointing and the player involved is liable for some very serious investigation and reactions.

What also is disappointing is that there are those out there hoping that this is true, hoping that a sexual assault has taken place, in order to say things about a football club that they do not support.

I am glad that this topic has shied away from such people.

 

[Leapingleobarry]

Dunno,
just because you've been to court many times does not make you a lawyer.

 

[Bozo]

Firstly, truth is a defence in a libel/defamation case.

The more precise the accusation/"question", the less likely that it is the truth. Leave it as no names and as sexual assault on these forums (nobody knows which of the two players is responsible for what or that Vexnews is even accurate).

 

[rufus t firefly]

What also is disappointing is that there are those out there hoping that this is true, hoping that a sexual assault has taken place, in order to say things about a football club that they do not support.

You're absolutely right, of course, but you must also accept that the vast majority of Collingwood supporters feel that way about Stephen Milne.

 

[rainman06]

What also is disappointing is that there are those out there hoping that this is true, hoping that a sexual assault has taken place, in order to say things about a football club that they do not support.

New to Bigfooty are ya?

Lovett, for example, faced ten times as much of this sentiment. Especially considering this player/s havent even been named.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If these allegations are true, that is very disappointing and the player involved is liable for some very serious investigation and reactions.

What also is disappointing is that there are those out there hoping that this is true, hoping that a sexual assault has taken place, in order to say things about a football club that they do not support.

I am glad that this topic has shied away from such people.

This is not a new phenomenon, though it may be new for Collingwood. In fact if you go through this and the Bay 13 thread you will probably find continual references to previous cases by some Collingwood supporters, and this, along with some other callous remarks may have aggrevated things somewhat.

 

[Falchoon]

Secondly, the second Collingwood player at this point in time is simply a witness, nothing more or nothing less.

can we refer to him as the Pies Montagna?

 

[Waverley73]

This thread is more fun now we aren't talking about the alleged incident.

'Not at liberty to say'? That's great! FYI - The other guy isn't studying arts, he was almost certainly extracting the urine.

 

[Shane Hird]

Back on topic...


They should hand back the cup after this (if it's true). It's the right thing to do.