List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[partypie]

Ruscoe?


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No chance Ruscoe departs imo, he was coming on well last year down back but has had a bit of an injury-interrupted season earlier this year and we've been relatively well-preserved down back this year so not many opportunities for him to get and then cement a spot.

Absolutely killed it in the last round against the scum, shame he couldn't back it up in the final the following week.

He's 193cm / 93kg and he's shown an ability to execute aggressive kicks in-board to open up play through the middle which is something Fly appears to value quite a bit. Not someone you give up on at the ripe old age of 20 I don't think. Maybe a Jeremy Howe replacement a couple of years down the line if he can add a bit of zoning off/ intercepting and 1v1 defending to his game?

 

[Jafo]

Interesting don’t see the appeal of a ruckman that can’t run out a game and maintain intensity in todays game…

Sam Hayes Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: “The best ruckman in the draft pool who can be a damaging option inside 50”

central.rookieme.com

Maybe our conditioning coach is a lot better than recent years. Our boys ran out a lot of games quite well.

 

[Matrix10]

Begg is not Ready yet

Hayes will never be

 

[JOELY]

And yet he is still better than Hayes

He really isn't.

 

[Mollythedolly]

If Henry wants to leave, then first round (plus player if pick below 17), or it is pre season draft for you

The last thing we need is Geelong’s reject players clogging our list.

 

[nahnah]

Source?

His manager on channel 7

 

[WakeUpPies]

Only if you can successfully argue that a sub 30 goal KPF is better than our current 40 goal KPF.

Bit generous calling Checkers a KPF, he's more Jack Anthony than an actual KPF. But he will definitely have an easier life with McStay next to him.

 

[JuniorB]

No chance Ruscoe departs imo, he was coming on well last year down back but has had a bit of an injury-interrupted season earlier this year and we've been relatively well-preserved down back this year so not many opportunities for him to get and then cement a spot.

Absolutely killed it in the last round against the scum, shame he couldn't back it up in the final the following week.

He's 193cm / 93kg and he's shown an ability to execute aggressive kicks in-board to open up play through the middle which is something Fly appears to value quite a bit. Not someone you give up on at the ripe old age of 20 I don't think. Maybe a Jeremy Howe replacement a couple of years down the line if he can add a bit of zoning off/ intercepting and 1v1 defending to his game?

I like Ruscoe - he's a bit rough around the edges but has plenty to work with & develop.

 

[nahnah]

it's in this clip TradeDraft

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Hill's manager said the trade is basically done already

On the one hand that sounds great because it might be good business, indicates things are going smoothly, trade will get done… on the other you hope it’s not “basically done already” because we were a pushover at the table.

 

[jonbe54]

McStay has one of the best kicking actions I’ve seen in players of his size. I think he’ll make the most of whatever scoring opportunities he gets and will also be able to hit targets bringing the ball into our F50.

And I love his positional flexibility. If needed could play and FB, CHB, ruck, CHF or FF to a decent level.


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A true utility that is utterly flexible - they are genuinely hard to find.

 

[Quicky]

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A 20% premium on the 450k deal Brisbane offered him would be 550k. That sounds closer to believable and reasonable to me.

 

[cityslick1]

Should Derek Hine feel embarrassed about what's happening?



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Don’t think he’s been covered in glory. He would’ve advised that McMahon was worth trading up for. Also poulter

 

[TradeDraft]

it's in this clip TradeDraft

Thanks nahnah

 

[Apex36]

Bit generous calling Checkers a KPF, he's more Jack Anthony than an actual KPF. But he will definitely have an easier life with McStay next to him.

Oh, I see you’re one of those people who think a player can’t be a KPF if they’re under a certain height, even if they play like a key forward, and line up at FF or CHF.
I should have known

 

[ThePhantom777]

On the one hand that sounds great because it might be good business, indicates things are going smoothly, trade will get done… on the other you hope it’s not “basically done already” because we were a pushover at the table.

Yep. Don't want to see us overpaying in trades.

 

[Quicky]

Why is the media so sure the contract for McStay is a 5 year 3 million offer?

Aren't the contract terms confidential because it's a free agency trade?

Has someone at Brisbane tipped them off?

It's media speculation.

 

[magpies42]

Oh, I see you’re one of those people who think a player can’t be a KPF if they’re under a certain height, even if they play like a key forward, and line up at FF or CHF.
I should have known

Big players cause headaches…particularly in finals. It’s an important differentiator. I think we are better forward line with McStay but not as good as if we plucked a proper tall.

 

[WakeUpPies]

Oh, I see you’re one of those people who think a player can’t be a KPF if they’re under a certain height, even if they play like a key forward, and line up at FF or CHF.
I should have known

Do you even watch football? Yes, we are completely fine with our aerial contest creating beast Checkers.

 

[Apex36]

Do you even watch football? Yes, we are completely fine with our aerial contest creating beast Checkers.

I watch plenty, beginning to doubt that you do. Checkers isn’t the best key tall going around but he’s consistently kicking between 30-40 goals a year playing FF.
I think McStay will help him. I don’t think McStay is magically going to turn in to a 40 goal key forward.

 

[Everybody Panic]

Only if you can successfully argue that a sub 30 goal KPF is better than our current 40 goal KPF.

It's a problem when you only choose one stat and which is goals. It's pretty clear that Cekkers plays much deeper than Mcstay. Indeed I think Cekkers is probably the best key forward in the game for scoring goals from within 10 metres. Mcstay averages more marks, inside 50s, goal assists, clearances, disposal efficiency and a few other stats. Not because he's a better player, but because he plays a different position. I don't think either will be better than the other, nor do I think the coaches will judge them based of isolated stats alone.

 

[No SPIN]

Which part of AHEAD OF HIM do you not understand.

Grundy is as good as finished

Based on a PCL and ankle injury neither of which are career ending in the vast majority of cases?

Grundy will be back - this injury narrative is wholly a concoction more to rationalize an exit by his critics, rather than facts.

 

[JLC]

A true utility that is utterly flexible - they are genuinely hard to find.

Gavin Brown was a true utility. Premier wingman but forced to play various role to help the team.

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[jonbe54]

Gavin Brown was a true utility. Premier wingman but forced to play various role to help the team.

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Agreed.

 

[KinderSmock]

Have the Pies re-signed WHE or is he still without a contract?

Still without a contract.