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  • Friday 30 September at 9.00am
  • AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences
Monday 03 October at 9.00am
  • AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections
Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
  • Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.
Monday 10 October
  • AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
  • AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)
Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
  • AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections
Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
  • AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences
Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm
  • AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes
Friday 11 November at 9.00am
  • AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences
Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm
  • AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
  • AFL Trade Period closes – selections only
Monday 21 November by 3.00pm
  • AFL Draft Nominations close
Monday 28 November at 7.10pm
  • 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
  • Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.
Tuesday 29 November
  • AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
  • 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
  • Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
  • AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
  • Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
  • AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)
Wednesday 30 November
  • AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
  • AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)
Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm
  • Final AFL Club List Lodgement
 
slugger01 said:
I'm not struggling... Far from it.

I understand that the offer has to be submitted to the AFL, signed by the player and the offering the club first. Otherwise, there is no offer.., and no need for matching.

The question is, what constitutes matching? Terms and restrictive conditions relating to the length of contract is not the same as matching an offer of a length of contract that is unconditional.
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Go back and read my first post that you responded to. It is my belief that on a strict reading of the rule, if the offer was matched on all the elements as set out in the rule, even if there was a right of termination added in, it would still technically constitute a matching offer.

However I am pretty sure the GC would readily use his discretionary powers to rule that it is not a matching offer in actuality. Happy now?


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A lot of panic about Frampton possibly costing us a 3rd and Hill a 2nd.

If we are a genuine chance at bringing in the 5 players linked to us, plus our own 1st, plus the possible 1st/2nd for Grundy, there's a likelihood we wouldn't use those picks in the draft anyway.

I'm not fussed with late picks this year
 

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Captain Embubry said:
A lot of panic about Frampton possibly costing us a 3rd and Hill a 2nd.

If we are a genuine chance at bringing in the 5 players linked to us, plus our own 1st, plus the possible 1st/2nd for Grundy, there's a likelihood we wouldn't use those picks in the draft anyway.

I'm not fussed with late picks this year
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future 2nd/3rd in what looks to be a good draft next year. I think thats the issue. But we could deal with that next year, always bring picks forward if came to be.
 
Ollie Henry (Collingwood)

“For all the links to Geelong, I wonder how that trade would actually happen because Collingwood will want a handsome return for a player who was a first round pick a few years ago,” he said.

“He kicked 21 goals this year…yes he fell out of favour late in the season, but they’re not just going to hand him over.

“Can the Cats get this done considering everything else that is going on (with their other deal)?”
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Sam Edmund's trade update on Henry, Dow, Bedford and more

See the latest update here!
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au

If Mr Edmund changing his tune?

I did wonder if it was possible, did Geelong cool on Ollie and put their efforts into Bowes instead?

Either that or they think they can do all three.
 
we currently have picks 42 and 47 for this year..... hill and frampton.....probably overkill for frampton....get a pick 50 or similar back...
 
So, are we all set for the Cats to emerge as a bidder for DeGoey, to replace Selwood and boost their quest for back-to-back Premierships?

Having missed out on Hopper, they're gonna be very keen for an A-grade midfielder top-up trade.
 
LuckyLee said:
So, are we all set for the Cats to emerge as a bidder for DeGoey, to replace Selwood and boost their quest for back-to-back Premierships?

Having missed out on Hopper, they're gonna be very keen for an A-grade midfielder top-up trade.
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Oh yeah, he'll fit in down there, with their players taking unders to keep the band together!!
 
LuckyLee said:
So, are we all set for the Cats to emerge as a bidder for DeGoey, to replace Selwood and boost their quest for back-to-back Premierships?

Having missed out on Hopper, they're gonna be very keen for an A-grade midfielder top-up trade.
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As long as jordy is happy to play for $600K a year
 
Jen2310 said:

Sam Edmund's trade update on Henry, Dow, Bedford and more

See the latest update here!
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au

If Mr Edmund changing his tune?

I did wonder if it was possible, did Geelong cool on Ollie and put their efforts into Bowes instead?

Either that or they think they can do all three.
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Jen2310 said:

Sam Edmund's trade update on Henry, Dow, Bedford and more

See the latest update here!
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au

If Mr Edmund changing his tune?

I did wonder if it was possible, did Geelong cool on Ollie and put their efforts into Bowes instead?

Either that or they think they can do all three.
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This is what I don't get... On the Geelong board they've basically got them all locked in. Oliver is the last they need from a list point of view and they absolutely need us to play ball to get it done.
 
Doc1763 said:
Oh yeah, he'll fit in down there, with their players taking unders to keep the band together!!
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Look at what they did in transforming the previously-wild Tyson Stengle. They'd be confident of getting the best out of DeGoey too, if they can find the dollars to lure him.

I have no doubt that the Cats will want to land a big fish to keep their run going. No rebuilding through the draft for them. Their window is right now. Who are the gettable big fish left out there? Parish? Mitchell? DeGoey? I know which of that trio I'd be chasing if I were the Cats!
 
sideswipe said:
Go back and read my first post that you responded to. It is my belief that on a strict reading of the rule, if the offer was matched on all the elements as set out in the rule, even if there was a right of termination added in, it would still technically constitute a matching offer.

However I am pretty sure the GC would readily use his discretionary powers to rule that it is not a matching offer in actuality. Happy now?


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Much happier now, and better than your condescending and belittling replies previously.
I can understand your view, but my view is that adding a clause to the term does not constitute an identical term.

Same as getting a 5 year warranty with unlimited Km's on a new car, versus a warranty that says "we also give you 5 years, so long as you don't drive more than 1,000 ks in that period". That period of warranty is also dependent on something else rather than strictly time.

Anyway, differing views, and that's what keeps lawyers and courts busy, and contract negotiations fun:cool:
 
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Apex36 said:
You’re a brave man going in to argue about contract law with a (former) solicitor who specialised in contract law.
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Former solicitor? Yeah well, Grundy used to be an AA ruckman…

… LOL too far? :D
 
LuckyLee said:
Look at what they did in transforming the previously-wild Tyson Stengle. They'd be confident of getting the best out of DeGoey too, if they can find the dollars to lure him.

I have no doubt that the Cats will want to land a big fish to keep their run going. No rebuilding through the draft for them. Their window is right now. Who are the gettable big fish left out there? Parish? Mitchell? DeGoey? I know which of that trio I'd be chasing if I were the Cats!
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If Geelong are super keen on this Bowes pick 7 deal , that would surely soak up any cap space with Bruhn and Henry
 
slugger01 said:
Much happier now, and better than your condescending and belittling replies previously.
I can understand your view, but my view is that adding a clause to the term does not constitute the and identical term.

Same as getting a 5 year warranty with unlimited Km's on a new car, versus a warranty that says "we also give you 5 years, so long as you don't drive more than 1,000 ks in that period". That period of warranty is also dependent on something else rather than strictly time.

Anyway, differing views, and that's what keeps lawyers and courts busy, and contract negotiations fun:cool:
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Your bolding and all caps of a word that isn't in the rule deserved a belittling. The car warranty example is nonsense. I gave you the get out which is the AFL's discretionary powers.
 
Apex36 said:
In what world is Mitchell worth pick 16 and Henry???
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He’s not worth either of them in isolation with the contract he’s on, LOL.
 
Venkman said:
This is what I don't get... On the Geelong board they've basically got them all locked in. Oliver is the last they need from a list point of view and they absolutely need us to play ball to get it done.
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I reckon he’d be a fair chance to be a walk up start next year for them alongside Stengle, Cameron and Hawkins.

Other than those three I don’t think anyone else is guaranteed a game.
 
sideswipe said:
Your bolding and all caps of a word that isn't in the rule deserved a belittling. The car warranty example is nonsense. I gave you the get out which is the AFL's discretionary powers.
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One would expect what is posted on the official AFL website regarding the RFA matching process would be correct.
No, i didn't look at the wording in the CBA, but i expected the context and wording to be correct on their website.
But i still wouldn't expect your belittling.

Anyway, again, your opinion on the warranty example doesn't surprise me. Same, same.
 
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