List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Markfs]

Given that Port's current draft hand is 33 ad 60, and cant trade out their future 1st, and only have 51 and 64; I can't see them trading for Esava now. They need to draft a couple players. They will need to keep 33.
Which doesn't help geelong's ability to try improve their offer to us.

surprising to see such logical thinking on bf... initially i thought i was on the wrong site...

 

[Hvashera2]

If Ollie stays, I'll have to do a public apology...

I might even have to apologise to him at training haha oops.

that's what the Welcome Back Ollie thread is for

 

[Matt_352]

Here are my thoughts on our remaining potential trade moves:

Grundy: this seems to be a standoff about which club needs this deal to go through more and therefore who has the leverage in the deal. I suspect this gets done because both clubs want it too. Potentially we might get the pick slide we want in addition to 27 but we might need give back a later pick like 41 or an f4. I can’t see GW caving to pick 27 after the article in The Age.

Henry: similarly I don’t think we’d cave to 25 after allowing it to be known that we rejected it. This is why there is a strong chance this deal doesn’t happen. There are only two scenarios I can think of where we might allow a trade to happen without involving pick 7 or their f1. The first is to package a player with pick 25, though I’m not sure how I’d feel about that. The second way would be for Geelong to take whatever they get for Ratugolea and package it with 25 to try and get a first rounder this year or next year. Though it’s hard to know who the third team would be or if anyone would be interested in that sort of trade. Both those scenarios seem unlikely this late in proceedings.

Mitchell/Fiorini: at the start of the trade period Fiorini seemed the more likely of the two, now it seems Mitchell is. Both seem to hinge on the Grundy and Henry deals though it’s not clear if that is because of cap space, list space or trade capital.

Frampton: I think gets done, but after we know what is happening with the other trades. I wonder if we are waiting to see if we can get another f3 from one of our other deals or a pick swap before committing to this deal.

Fiorini, Mitchell, Frampton, Grundy trades will all get done. The one I'm concerned on is Henry as I have serious doubts that Geelong will stop throwing their tantrums about not being able to get our shiny new toy for some belly button lint and some chewy they picked off the underside of a desk.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Thats right, for disappointing me. Do better Ollie.

I’m on your side, Jen, but I hear you have a glare which could level a guy…

 

[Jen2310]

I’m on your side, Jen, but I hear you have a glare which could level a guy…

Thanks Appreciate that.

 

[3rdMan]

I see almost no chance the Grundy deal doesn't get done. I think we're just trying to impress on Melbourne that we are not desperate. Grundy's contract makes it seem that way, so we want to make it clear that's not the case and we can walk away if needed.

The Henry deal has to be in some kind of jeopardy. Geelong have actively moved against giving us an FRP twice, and I'm certain will not give up pick 7. Either we accept pick 25 plus another pick, that I'm sure they'll add, or possibly 25 and a player. Definitely a possibility that we won't accept either of those and no deal will be done.

 

[pome pie]

Package Brodie and Ollie off to the Roos for pick 3?
Brodie does not have to worry about premierships defining him as a person and Ollie can move 15 mins closer to mummy
Win win

 

[Pedro]

Don't apologise for me.
If he stays, it doesn't change the fact that he wanted to leave. I don't want that kind at the club.

If he does stay and becomes a player, you’ll get over it pretty quickly. It’s not out of the realms of possibility. Papley did it. I think I recall Luke Parker asking to go home one year too. To Hawthorn I believe it was. Hasn’t hurt them and things can change with a bit of maturity. Maybe it won’t be the case with Henry, but if he stays it’ll just be on him to get in with things

 

[Lifelong Pie]

If he does stay and becomes a player, you’ll get over it pretty quickly. It’s not out of the realms of possibility. Papley did it. I think I recall Luke Parker asking to go home one year too. To Hawthorn I believe it was. Hasn’t hurt them and things can change with a bit of maturity. Maybe it won’t be the case with Henry, but if he stays it’ll just be on him to get in with things

Think it was O'Keefe who wanted to go to Hawks

 

[Pedro]

Think it was O'Keefe who wanted to go to Hawks

That’s the one. Ryan O’Keefe. Knew it had happened a couple times at the Swans. Stayed and became a pretty decent player

 

[Lifelong Pie]

That’s the one. Ryan O’Keefe. Knew it had happened a couple times at the Swans. Stayed and became a pretty decent player

He was a pretty decent premiership player, he looked a bit like Parker though

 

[partypie]

Looking at the list spots wise, we can't get both Mitchell and Firoini and keep Ollie. AFL site now not sure Fiorini may happen, could this because they expect Ollie to now stay? And we wouldn't have the list spots required.

This also means we have to delist both Madgen and Poulter.

To open up another spot, we could delist and rookie a contracted player?

Current state of play is 4 senior (Roughead, Brown x 2, McMahon) + 1 rookie (Chugg) out, with three senior coming in (McStay, Hill, Frampton).

Madge is almost certainly gone and Tom Wilson is another player OOC this year and probably surplus to needs now, given we're effectively adding McStay, Frampton and Dean (if he can stay healthy).

Poulter could be the one we end up delisting and picking up as a rookie.

Just doing the above without any other trades would leave us with 3 vacant senior list spots which is all we need, so if the Grundy and Oliver deals bith fall over and they stay then we can still fit them in no problem.

 

[partypie]

Given that Port's current draft hand is 33 ad 60, and cant trade out their future 1st, and only have 51 and 64; I can't see them trading for Esava now. They need to draft a couple players. They will need to keep 33.
Which doesn't help geelong's ability to try improve their offer to us.

They don't need to keep 33. There are always end of draft picks in rounds 5-7 that any team needing to fill list spots can use.

 

[jonbe54]

Don’t be a dick.

No seriously he has to prove he's learnt a lesson.

 

[Crazy Tails]

It’s a pity we weren’t chasing Krueger this off season. 25 & Kroogs would probably get Ollie done.


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[unplugged]

Max Holmes still lives with his mummy and daddy in Melbourne. Let's just take him.

 

[unplugged]

I know we've been spruiking leverage a bit; we can afford to keep both Grundy and Henry (unlike Treloar), the opposition teams have made it public they want the deal to happen, etc. but I wonder at which stage do these teams call our bluff and know we want to get trades done for the likes of Fiorini, Mitchell and Frampton?

Or do we just recruit them and then delist the likes of Madgen and Poulter? Surely these types of players have been forewarned that it's a very slight chance, i.e our last resort.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I know we've been spruiking leverage a bit; we can afford to keep both Grundy and Henry (unlike Treloar), the opposition teams have made it public they want the deal to happen, etc. but I wonder at which stage do these teams call our bluff and know we want to get trades done for the likes of Fiorini, Mitchell and Frampton?

Or do we just recruit them and then delist the likes of Madgen and Poulter? Surely these types of players have been forewarned that it's a very slight chance, i.e our last resort.

My take…..
We are not keeping Grundy. That deal is all but done. Hopefully a more generous salary concession compensates for the pick in the 20s.
50/50 if we keep henry
We will get Mitchell
We will get frampton
We might miss out on fiorini.

That leaves us delisting Madgen given frampton and mcstay have joined the club and Dean returns from injury. Not to mention Murphy has gone past him. Unfortunate for madge.
Depending if there’s a spot left, poulter might either be retained or delisted and re rookied.

 

[Scodog10]

I know we've been spruiking leverage a bit; we can afford to keep both Grundy and Henry (unlike Treloar), the opposition teams have made it public they want the deal to happen, etc. but I wonder at which stage do these teams call our bluff and know we want to get trades done for the likes of Fiorini, Mitchell and Frampton?

Or do we just recruit them and then delist the likes of Madgen and Poulter? Surely these types of players have been forewarned that it's a very slight chance, i.e our last resort.

Mitchell hinges on Grundy moving and is a very simple sidegrade. Frampton will get done regardless as well. It’s from there that things get murky, IMO.

As it stands the big issue with the Grundy and Henry trades that no one in the media is interested in is that the pick offers don’t fit with our list strategy. It looks like we plan to take 2 maybe 3 picks to the draft so if we were to fold on 25 and 27 respectively we’d be left with 3 picks in the 3rd Rd we won’t use (hence trying to flip 50 & 51 for Frampton). At a guess the plan is 7, 41 and a very late draft pick.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Mitchell hinges on Grundy moving and is a very simple sidegrade. Frampton will get done regardless as well. It’s from there that things get murky, IMO.

As it stands the big issue with the Grundy and Henry trades is that what the other teams are putting up doesn’t fit with our list strategy. It looks like we plan to take 2 maybe 3 picks to the draft so if we were to fold on 25 and 27 respectively we’d be left with 3 picks in the 3rd Rd we won’t use. At a guess the plan is 7, 41 and a very late draft pick.

We’ve been trying to shift the picks in the 50s to move up the draft or out to next year. Hopefully something will happen but I suspect they might expire worthLess.

 

[Scodog10]

We’ve been trying to shift the picks in the 50s to move up the draft or out to next year. Hopefully something will happen but I suspect they might expire worthLess.

Gut feel for me is one gets tied up in the Grundy and Henry deals. Then as the draft nears we’ll find a suitor to take the other for a future 4th. Fremantle and Hawthorn are the watches here because we’ve got good relationships with them. In the meantime to get Frampton done it’ll take our 2023 3rd.

In hindsight I think the Hill deal for a 2023 2nd straight up was a bit of a blue. It’s the right value (I’d take him for a 30’s pick every day of the week), but it’s left us in an awkward spot with too many 2022 picks and limited 2023 options. We should have pushed for a 2023 4th to come back with him and I think we held off because we thought Adelaide would roll over on Frampton.

 

[jonbe54]

I know we've been spruiking leverage a bit; we can afford to keep both Grundy and Henry (unlike Treloar), the opposition teams have made it public they want the deal to happen, etc. but I wonder at which stage do these teams call our bluff and know we want to get trades done for the likes of Fiorini, Mitchell and Frampton?

Or do we just recruit them and then delist the likes of Madgen and Poulter? Surely these types of players have been forewarned that it's a very slight chance, i.e our last resort.

Grundy in particular is an interesting situation.

As soon as Melbourne sold off their second ruck Wrighty ups the ante to force a picks slide - it's pretty simple really Melbourne are faced with the prospect of going through the season with a third or fourth string backup ruckman if we don't blink and if Gawn gets injured they are royally screwed.

I hope we don't blink - although I dislike the thought of having the outrageous Grundy contract on the books at least another year I dislike Melbourne's arrogance even more.

In before 'Collingwood fails to offload Grundy contract' . . . . LOL 'Collingwood refuses to be bent over' is the true headline.

This sends a clear and unmistakable message to every club and player manager out there - don't screw with us.

 

[JM#1]

I still find it very hard to believe Geelong would have just gone ahead and traded all those picks for 25 without firstly asking if that would get the deal done.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Gut feel for me is one gets tied up in the Grundy and Henry deals. Then as the draft nears we’ll find a suitor to take the other for a future 4th. Fremantle and Hawthorn are the watches here because we’ve got good relationships with them. In the meantime to get Frampton done it’ll take our 2023 3rd.

In hindsight I think the Hill deal for a 2023 2nd straight up was a bit of a blue. It’s the right value (I’d take him for a 30’s pick every day of the week), but it’s left us in an awkward spot with too many 2022 picks and limited 2023 options. We should have pushed for a 2023 4th to come back with him and I think we held off because we thought Adelaide would roll over on Frampton.

Yeah they are still in the back pocket. Hopefully they can be utilised.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Current state of play is 4 senior (Roughead, Brown x 2, McMahon) + 1 rookie (Chugg) out, with three senior coming in (McStay, Hill, Frampton).

Madge is almost certainly gone and Tom Wilson is another player OOC this year and probably surplus to needs now, given we're effectively adding McStay, Frampton and Dean (if he can stay healthy).

Poulter could be the one we end up delisting and picking up as a rookie.

Just doing the above without any other trades would leave us with 3 vacant senior list spots which is all we need, so if the Grundy and Oliver deals bith fall over and they stay then we can still fit them in no problem.

I think Wilson is staying as we got special permission to move him to the rookie list?