List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[peter9789]

Hopefully the Grundy trade brings to an end the decade of incompetence in list management, and we can move forward under new leadership bringing a harder edge to negotiations and structure to player payments.

This trade period feels eerily similar to when we forced Treloar out the door. I'm walking away from this trade period feel meh about our performance balancing the acquisitions, against the restructuring of the salary cap which will no doubt stand us in good stead in years to come.

From what I can see Brisbane, Geelong, Richmond, and Port Adelaide will all be stronger next year, whilst Collingwood has added greater depth (important) there isnt any A grade talent coming into the club.

 

[magpies2013]

Wait and see what the salary situation is. Then make your judgement.

You will never know the true salary situation those things are kept private and confidential it’s all speculation. We caved in and will again with Henry

 

[BEEG]

Just floating a theory. Is the Firorini interest falling flat about list spaces in preparation for the Henry deal falling through?

I like Fiorini now sure we should be going after both Mitchell and Fiorini though.

 

[TradeDraft]

Hopefully the Grundy trade brings to an end the decade of incompetence in list management, and we can move forward under new leadership bringing a harder edge to negotiations and structure to player payments.

This trade period feels eerily similar to when we forced Treloar out the door. I'm walking away from this trade period feel meh about our performance balancing the acquisitions, against the restructuring of the salary cap which will no doubt stand us in good stead in years to come.

From what I can see Brisbane, Geelong, Richmond, and Port Adelaide will all be stronger next year, whilst Collingwood has added greater depth (important) there isnt any A grade talent coming into the club.

Bloody Dictator Eddie not there now helps

 

[caloschwaby]

Wright on now

 

[pie chucker]

The grundy trade is beyond a disgrace. Worse then Treloar. If we lose Henry, I'd say this is the worst year in a long time.
Pie continually screw up drafting and trading over the last 10 years. We just haven't got it right.
Who was the last gun outside of father sons that we've traded. Have to be DeGoey and Maynard.

 

[hollyfasolo]

5.1 contested marks per game to Mcstay? Where are you getting that? He averages 1.3. Less than Mason Cox.

 

[Jen2310]

Just floating a theory. Is the Firorini interest falling flat about list spaces in preparation for the Henry deal falling through?

This is what I raised yesterday. The thought did occur to me. List wise. There wouldn''t be room for both.
Captital wise there was talk it would just be a swap of later picks, so cant see that being an issue

 

[KinderSmock]

What’s crazy though with Grundy leaving our history with 1st round picks is even worse.

1st round picks :
12 -Grundy, Kennedy, Broomhead
13 - Schaz, Freeman
14 - JDG & Moore
15 - n/a (Sier & Phillips year)
16 - n/a (Mclarty & C.Brown)
17 - Stevo
18 - IQ
19 - N/A (Rantall & Bianco)
20 - Ollie & Finlay
21 - Naicos

Prior to Grundy, it was Sidebottom & Pendles.

Let's look at the history of the #35:

11: Fasolo (Left for Carlton in 2018 as UFA)
12: Grundy (Traded to Melbourne for Pick 27 in 2022)
13: Shaz (Delisted at the conclusion of 2020 due to long injury history)
14: JDG (Creates chaos on and off the field but is still on the list)
15: Sier (Delisted at the end of 2021)
16: McLarty (Delisted at the end of 2018)
17: Stevo (Looked good until he decided to donate to the gambling companies when punting on his own performance. Traded to Norf Melbourne for an assortment of picks in 2020 after being a general idiot and needing to dump salary)
18: IQ (Solid, developing defender)
19: Rantall (Delisted after 2021 season)
20: Henry (Wants to be traded 78km down the highway to a place he calls home).
21: Daicos (Exceptionally talented and has done the #35 proud)

So of the 11 players to wear the #35, four (likely to become three) remain on the list.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Feel like this board was completely in acceptance about the Melb Grundy deal for ~20s pick + lower payment contribution over the last week we've talked about it. So many people only now coming up saying it's the worst deal ever?

They're just trolls.

 

[Jen2310]

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[TW Sherrin]

Wright seems to have a Hine like cult following.

 

[anshell]

Our drafting has been awful for a long time, Hine has long gone past his use by date, I made a thread about that like 2 years ago.. wouldn't blame Wright for any of this. If he gives away Henry for peanuts I will happily be angry and point the finger at him for that, the Grundy mess and poor drafting have not been his fault though

I’ve been saying that about Hine for a long time.I think it’s well past time to move him on.I don’t think we can afford to keep carrying a recruiter who gets so many top picks wrong.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

“We are making a contribution” - in relation to paying Grundy to play for Demons.

 

[YouBeauty]

Bloody Dictator Eddie not there now helps

Correct. Eddie was a cancer to the club for a long time after he did good to improve us financially early on in his tenure.

 

[De Glueie]

Like i said in my earlier threads and got canned ,Grundy was the Treloar deal all over again. Grundy for pick 27 in a shallow draft this will come back to bite us. Doubt it's 150k we have to pay bet it's 300k per year Things will come out later
Let's hope we don't give Henry away for a packet of Chips or we really look like fools.

I stated earlier and i don't like repeating myself Henry for first or future first round pick or straight swap for someone like DeKoning but as usual that wont happen it will most likely be pick 25 and pick 33 for Henry ......A Joke !
Now we have a team of good depth but hardly any gun players you see. Aside from Degoey and an aging Pendlebury and Sidebottom and Moore that's it.
The Daicos boys are a few years away before being AA.
Remember in order to trade in gun players we must give top draft picks or trade out good players, wont happen any other way.
We can go to the draft but the kids take years and cycle turns

Ok let's leave it wright see what happens from i understand Wright believes only in paying big $$$$$$ to midfielders and key position players.
Not peripheral players or hybrid players and Ruckmen.

Maybe he is wright. He has got the scores on the board. See what happens

 

[gtrain23]

Can someone post the link to wright if possible after?

 

[Chrispiesssss]

“We won’t accept 25. We want him to stay. It’s only 40 or 50 minutes up the road.”

 

[TradeDraft]

Like i said in my earlier threads and got canned ,Grundy was the Treloar deal all over again. Grundy for pick 27 in a shallow draft this will come back to bite us. Doubt it's 150k we have to pay bet it's 300k per year Things will come out later
Let's hope we don't give Henry away for a packet of Chips or we really look like fools.

I stated earlier and i don't like repeating myself Henry for first or future first round pick or straight swap for someone like DeKoning but as usual that wont happen it will most likely be pick 25 and pick 33 for Henry ......A Joke !
Now we have a team of good depth but hardly any gun players you see. Aside from Degoey and an aging Pendlebury and Sidebottom and Moore that's it.
The Daicos boys are a few years away before being AA.
Remember in order to trade in gun players we must give top draft picks or trade out good players, wont happen any other way.
We can go to the draft but the kids take years and cycle turns

Ok let's leave it wright see what happens from i understand Wright believes only in paying big $$$$$$ to midfielders and key position players.
Not peripheral players or hybrid players and Ruckmen.

Maybe he is wright. He has got the scores on the board. See what happens

We get Mitchell most likely with that Pick.

The Treloar Pick was used on Henry who wants out now

 

[iGNITER]

Won’t accept 25 for Henry.

 

[hellfire]

We really screwed ourselves with the contract but you have to have a laugh. We got robbed and got a s*t pick ... and are still paying Grundy to play for a fellow premiership contender next season and beyond. ****** Geelong gets Pick 7.

You could look at it differently, though. Gold Coast were also looking for a salary dump, and gave up a decent player plus pick 7 for a junk pick. We completed a salary dump for a good but aging player, and got a 2nd rounder in return. In that context, we did okay.

In reality, it's way under Grundy's value in an open market... but given the contract situation, it's not too bad.

 

[hollyfasolo]

Wright seems to have a Hine like cult following.

he makes the tough correct calls - 1 million for an underperforming ruckman - he needed to be cut. He's form declined - and he has lost alot of agility since 2018

 

[Jen2310]

Would we accept 25 and 33, I want them to ask lol

 

[JM#1]

Won’t accept 25 for Henry.

I wish he also said the same about 25 + 33.