List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[brysie]

Now look at the Press - Pies to keep Grundy if the Dees don't up the offer - GW has played them perfectly.
Dees go from upper hand to panic stations.
Take note Geelong.
So good to see GW's plan come together.
Never doubt a great negotiator.

Much of the trade period seems to revolve around your ability to hold your ground, at least until the final few days.

The media in large part sets a narrative, but there's only so many times someone will click on 'Pies need to trade Grundy'. Eventually the media needs a new angle, so they in effect switch sides, so as to not be accused of either peddling the same narrative or playing favourites.

Either they're reporting events as they happen, or they're finding different angles to regurgitate what has always been there, trying to fill column inches and airtime as the clock ticks down to the 'super awesome mega ultimate final hour draft special frenzy' on Wednesday evening.

 

[doppleganger]

The big change is - Who is the Dees backup for Gawn now ?

?? Dees knew from a long way out that they were losing Jackson.

They finally get the deal over the line (IMHO a great return) and now they are in panic stations?

Absolutely nothing changed for both sides.

Pies coaching staff dont want Grundy on 900k+, and Max Gawn keen on working with Grundy. A pick 20 style pick is the ask.

 

[Prexm]

That was for this year only like other third-year rookies who were allowed a fourth year on the rookie list.

I doubt that provision will still remain this year giving them a fifth year given we're basically back to normal now.

We asked for permission and he will be a Cat B for another year but has to go in the Draft first to see if another club are willing to pick him up.

 

[LuckyLee]

I see almost no chance the Grundy deal doesn't get done. I think we're just trying to impress on Melbourne that we are not desperate. Grundy's contract makes it seem that way, so we want to make it clear that's not the case and we can walk away if needed.

The Henry deal has to be in some kind of jeopardy. Geelong have actively moved against giving us an FRP twice, and I'm certain will not give up pick 7. Either we accept pick 25 plus another pick, that I'm sure they'll add, or possibly 25 and a player. Definitely a possibility that we won't accept either of those and no deal will be done.

Some talk on Cats’ board that they swap 7 & 25 with WCoast for 8 & 20, then trade 20 to us for Ollie. They feel WCoast would then use 7 on a WA player, so it doesn’t jeopardise their chances of getting Clarke one spot later, at 8.

Seems sensible to me.


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[AmericanMustard]

Some talk on Cats’ board that they swap 7 & 25 with WCoast for 8 & 20, then trade 20 to us for Ollie. They feel WCoast would then use 7 on a WA player, so it doesn’t jeopardise their chances of getting Clarke one spot later, at 8.

Seems sensible to me.


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Sounds very sensible. Except we’ve said from day one we want a first rounder and 20 isn’t a first rounder

 

[partypie]

We asked for permission and he will be a Cat B for another year but has to go in the Draft first to see if another club are willing to pick him up.

Yeah I just saw the statement from the AFL I'd missed a couple of months ago.

 

[fpm84]

Some talk on Cats’ board that they swap 7 & 25 with WCoast for 8 & 20, then trade 20 to us for Ollie. They feel WCoast would then use 7 on a WA player, so it doesn’t jeopardise their chances of getting Clarke one spot later, at 8.

Seems sensible to me.


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Peter Ryan at The Age this morning reporting that Port have offered us #33 for Ratugolea.

What do you think is a better offer for Henry, #20 on its own or #25 and #33? I'm not sure if the latter two picks could be packaged for something in this year's draft or next year's which is apparently much stronger.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

Some talk on Cats’ board that they swap 7 & 25 with WCoast for 8 & 20, then trade 20 to us for Ollie. They feel WCoast would then use 7 on a WA player, so it doesn’t jeopardise their chances of getting Clarke one spot later, at 8.

Seems sensible to me.


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West Coast will be selecting a wa talent with pick 8

 

[AmericanMustard]

Peter Ryan at The Age this morning reporting that Port have offered us #33 for Ratugolea.

What do you think is a better offer for Henry, #20 on its own or #25 and #33? I'm not sure if the latter two picks could be packaged for something in this year's draft or next year's which is apparently much stronger.

The draft for Henry

 

[Babylove]

Some talk on Cats’ board that they swap 7 & 25 with WCoast for 8 & 20, then trade 20 to us for Ollie. They feel WCoast would then use 7 on a WA player, so it doesn’t jeopardise their chances of getting Clarke one spot later, at 8.

Seems sensible to me.


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Why would West Coast do that? Advance 1 spot in the top ten to get a player Geelong probably wouldn’t take any way and then drop back 5 spots in the second round?

 

[jatsad]

?? Dees knew from a long way out that they were losing Jackson.

They finally get the deal over the line (IMHO a great return) and now they are in panic stations?

Absolutely nothing changed for both sides.

Pies coaching staff dont want Grundy on 900k+, and Max Gawn keen on working with Grundy. A pick 20 style pick is the ask.

Yes , they knew they were losing Jackson, but they also banked on Grundy being a fait accomplii.

Things now have changed. We have always asked for a pick under 25 and they didn't come to the party.

They will be a little panicky now as Gawn is their only reliable ruckman.

What happens if he goes down?

 

[stormskye]

Why would West Coast do that? Advance 1 spot in the top ten to get a player Geelong probably wouldn’t take any way and then drop back 5 spots in the second round?

My thoughts exactly. Geel are no threat to them with pick 7

 

[swoop42]

Given that Port's current draft hand is 33 ad 60, and cant trade out their future 1st, and only have 51 and 64; I can't see them trading for Esava now. They need to draft a couple players. They will need to keep 33.
Which doesn't help geelong's ability to try improve their offer to us.

If (and it's a very big if) we were prepared to trade Henry for 25 and 33 we have pick 50 or 51 we are unlikely to need so they could be included in any deal.

 

[brockbruiser]

Current state of play is 4 senior (Roughead, Brown x 2, McMahon) + 1 rookie (Chugg) out, with three senior coming in (McStay, Hill, Frampton).

Madge is almost certainly gone and Tom Wilson is another player OOC this year and probably surplus to needs now, given we're effectively adding McStay, Frampton and Dean (if he can stay healthy).

Poulter could be the one we end up delisting and picking up as a rookie.

Just doing the above without any other trades would leave us with 3 vacant senior list spots which is all we need, so if the Grundy and Oliver deals bith fall over and they stay then we can still fit them in no problem.

Wilson got permission to stay as a Cat B for another year.

Noble is likely to move go the senior list.

Some talk on Cats’ board that they swap 7 & 25 with WCoast for 8 & 20, then trade 20 to us for Ollie. They feel WCoast would then use 7 on a WA player, so it doesn’t jeopardise their chances of getting Clarke one spot later, at 8.

Seems sensible to me.


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Why would West Coast do this if they know Geelong will take Clarke at 7?

 

[dick_naicos]

In the scenario that was posted it was a 4-5 year contract. Why wouldn’t you draft him if you knew you had him tied down for 4-5 years and he’s a better talent than what would be around that in the draft?

For obvious reasons. The risk of them sooking up a storm and becoming a disruptive force. Not saying Henry would do that but someone like Horne Francis would/already did.

 

[Jasper84]

GW lead negotiator but ain't doing it on his own.

He will be updating Fly and Paul Licuria almost hourly - it's a club thing not a GW thing (unlike previous regime).

Unlike a couple of years ago:

Ed "Beams"

Club "Sir, respectfully we have put months of work into negotiations. All the deals are done, there's no money le"

Ed " Beeeeaaammmsss!"

 

[Hvashera2]

If he does stay and becomes a player, you’ll get over it pretty quickly. It’s not out of the realms of possibility. Papley did it. I think I recall Luke Parker asking to go home one year too. To Hawthorn I believe it was. Hasn’t hurt them and things can change with a bit of maturity. Maybe it won’t be the case with Henry, but if he stays it’ll just be on him to get in with things

Ryan O'Keefe was the other one. Wanted to move to Hawthorn but when trade couldn't get done he stayed on a won a Norm Smith

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Peter Ryan at The Age this morning reporting that Port have offered us #33 for Ratugolea.

What do you think is a better offer for Henry, #20 on its own or #25 and #33? I'm not sure if the latter two picks could be packaged for something in this year's draft or next year's which is apparently much stronger.

25+33 does not materially improve the offer. We are likely only taking two players this year, with our third pick being used to upgrade Noble to the senior list.

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[stormskye]

If we are looking to add Mitchell, Fiorini and frampton, how many list spots we got?

I doubt we want anymore then 2 picks in draft.

 

[NMBB]

Much of the trade period seems to revolve around your ability to hold your ground, at least until the final few days.

The media in large part sets a narrative, but there's only so many times someone will click on 'Pies need to trade Grundy'. Eventually the media needs a new angle, so they in effect switch sides, so as not being accused of either peddling the same narrative or playing favourites.

Either they're reporting events as they happen, or they're finding different angles to regurgitate what has always been there, trying to fill column inches and airtime as the clock ticks down to the 'super awesome mega ultimate final hour draft special frenzy' on Wednesday evening.

The media are desperate parasites most of the time. During trade week they descend several rungs to despicable ratings chasers.

 

[JuniorB]

I'd assumed that was for this year only, like other third-year rookies who were allowed a fourth year on the rookie list.

I'd missed this statement from the AFL though, which is good for Tom if we want to keep him:

Due to COVID throughout 2020 and 2021, the disruption to development, and long-term injury, the AFL has advised Collingwood that they can re-list Tom Wilson as a Category-B rookie in 2023 for one year should no other club select him in the 2022 NAB National Draft.

What that means is that we will be delisting him prior to the National Draft and then automatically regaining him as a Cat B rookie for one more year (if we choose to and he isn't selected by another team in the National Draft), so that's good for Tom and good for us as it frees up the extra senior list spot for the National Draft he otherwise would have had to take up if we extended him under normal circumstances.

He was starting to show a bit this year.

 

[well left]

Hard pass on Logue. Murphy is the exact same player on significantly less money. Setterfield might offer some value for Essendon.

Yeah I’m pass on Logue as well for similar reasons.

We’re looking for a full back Roughead replacement that can take the 200cm forward. This allows Moore to go back to CHB and play an attacking intercept role more, essentially what Logue does. So if we drafted Logue we’d still have to sacrifice Moore.

Setterfield would have been interesting but suspect we already had eyes for Mitchell and Fiorini. The big body would have been handy though.


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[Chrispiesssss]

Some talk on Cats’ board that they swap 7 & 25 with WCoast for 8 & 20, then trade 20 to us for Ollie. They feel WCoast would then use 7 on a WA player, so it doesn’t jeopardise their chances of getting Clarke one spot later, at 8.

Seems sensible to me.


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WCE won’t do that. Cats want Clarke & WCE want a WA player.

Essentially WCE are giving Geelong a 5 pick upgrade for no reason.

 

[MoreMoore]

Peter Ryan at The Age this morning reporting that Port have offered us #33 for Ratugolea.

What do you think is a better offer for Henry, #20 on its own or #25 and #33? I'm not sure if the latter two picks could be packaged for something in this year's draft or next year's which is apparently much stronger.

It’s a first round or nothing
Simple

 

[jonbe54]

Some talk on Cats’ board that they swap 7 & 25 with WCoast for 8 & 20, then trade 20 to us for Ollie. They feel WCoast would then use 7 on a WA player, so it doesn’t jeopardise their chances of getting Clarke one spot later, at 8.

Seems sensible to me.


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Still not FRP and will wind up being 23 after adjustments.