List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[Fat Jesus]

Not fit to hold the out turned pocket of Nick.

Yeah mate. Heard zero about these blokes.
Been hearing about Nick since he was 12 years old.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Yeah mate. Heard zero about these blokes.
Been hearing about Nick since he was 12 years old.

Oh I've heard about them but we've still got the goatiest goat that ever did goat.

 

[manicpie]

Any of them any good?

Both are very good unfortunately

 

[Jen2310]

Yeah mate. Heard zero about these blokes.
Been hearing about Nick since he was 12 years old.

They do live in adelaide, and we know the vic media when it comes to SA prospects lol

They played in the U17 futures game on GF day.

Famous names shine as 2024 draft crop puts on a show

Ben and Lucas Camporeale were among the stars of the 2023 AFL Futures game on Grand Final morning

www.afl.com.au

Ben Camporeale and Lucas Camporeale

 

[JLC]

Camporeales twins - one Is a left footer the other a right footer. If they have the silky skills of their dad then he is a perfect fit as that is what they currently lack.

Andrew Walkers son and Simon Beaumont

Simon Beaumont

Age

48

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.0

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.4

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

's son.

The Carlton guy who talked up Ed Allan, Wardlaw and Sheezel, reckons Walkers son is top end talent would be close to Number 1 pick.

But there are no guarantees so let's wait and see.




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[Scodog10]

Well if his forms remains the same as last season then yes you are probably right he will remain a fringe but if it returns to his best from the year previous then he would not remain a fringe player at our club or any other club.

40 goal a yr small forwards do not play 2nds at our club or anybody else,s and our chances of landing either King or Umarra as well you know are nought I have more chance of levitation.

The question is if Ginnivan at 20 does turn it around then what we traded him for is peanuts, he has a contract 4 long enough too see if he does turned then we have questions to answer.

I am very Glad we have Hill and I think he will be great for us but that does not mean we have get rid of other assets for nothing.

I actually couldn’t give a shit about Ginnivan beyond us getting fair value in a trade. I was more focused on the system part of the post.

 

[manicpie]

I actually couldn’t give a s**t about Ginnivan beyond us getting fair value in a trade. I was more focused on the system part of the post.

Ginni's career ended when they clamped down on his ducking. He still can't get it out of his game and he will always struggle. He doesn't have any other tricks

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Ginni's career ended when they clamped down on his ducking. He still can't get it out of his game and he will always struggle. He doesn't have any other tricks

Nah we just evolved beyond him. Fly wanted pace and pressure and we picked up Bobby and King Schultz. Ginni will be ok somewhere else but I don’t think he makes us regret the decision.

 

[Gabbo64]

Ginni's career ended when they clamped down on his ducking. He still can't get it out of his game and he will always struggle. He doesn't have any other tricks

The unfortunate thing about that is that the ducking rule may only apply to black and white stripes. We wait with bated breath.

 

[Apex36]

Ginni's career ended when they clamped down on his ducking. He still can't get it out of his game and he will always struggle. He doesn't have any other tricks

Nah, that’s a popular myth from oppo supporters that you’ve swallowed there. He got roughly 10 goals from head high frees in 2022 before they clamped down on him, meaning he still got nearly 30 goals for the rest of the year, despite being umpired differently to the rest of the comp. He was less effective this year because much like Stephenson before him, he started drinking his own bathwater and didn’t put in the work required to play at his best. Unlike Stephenson, he’s not athletically gifted enough to get away with it.
Go re-watch the goal he got weaving in and out of players against Gold Coast. He’s got the tricks needed, he just has to put in the work. If the penny has dropped, the Hawks have a long term small forward. If not, he’ll be out of the system by the end of his contract. Time will tell which path he goes down.

 

[sr36]

Nah, that’s a popular myth from oppo supporters that you’ve swallowed there. He got roughly 10 goals from head high frees in 2022 before they clamped down on him, meaning he still got nearly 30 goals for the rest of the year, despite being umpired differently to the rest of the comp. He was less effective this year because much like Stephenson before him, he started drinking his own bathwater and didn’t put in the work required to play at his best. Unlike Stephenson, he’s not athletically gifted enough to get away with it.
Go re-watch the goal he got weaving in and out of players against Gold Coast. He’s got the tricks needed, he just has to put in the work. If the penny has dropped, the Hawks have a long term small forward. If not, he’ll be out of the system by the end of his contract. Time will tell which path he goes down.

I think the drop off was primarily that he got moved higher up the ground as we wanted a quicker guy deep forward.

 

[Apex36]

I think the drop off was primarily that he got moved higher up the ground as we wanted a quicker guy deep forward.

Clearly you missed the whole bit where he came back to preseason unfit, got caught doing lines, and missed a big chunk of the season trying to get his fitness back to a level where he could actually be competitive.

His drop off was more than just goals scored if that’s your metric.

 

[sr36]

Clearly you missed the whole bit where he came back to preseason unfit, got caught doing lines, and missed a big chunk of the season trying to get his fitness back to a level where he could actually be competitive.

His drop off was more than just goals scored if that’s your metric.

Was he any fitter in 2022? He didn't need to be as he was playing closer to goal and converting goals was his contribution. In 2023 we played different faster players as the deepest small and Ginni played higher up the ground. He's still learning to play that role and looked really lost early in the year. I know he's seen as a footballing genius by many, but he just looked to me like a player moved into a role that he didn't know what he was doing.

 

[KinderSmock]

Camporeales twins - one Is a left footer the other a right footer. If they have the silky skills of their dad then he is a perfect fit as that is what they currently lack.

Andrew Walkers son and Simon Beaumont's son.

The Carlton guy who talked up Ed Allan, Wardlaw and Sheezel, reckons Walkers son is top end talent would be close to Number 1 pick.

But there are no guarantees so let's wait and see.




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Let's remember that Will Kelly was supposed to be a top-end talent. As were the Brown brothers.

 

[Gaspard]

Nah, that’s a popular myth from oppo supporters that you’ve swallowed there. He got roughly 10 goals from head high frees in 2022 before they clamped down on him, meaning he still got nearly 30 goals for the rest of the year, despite being umpired differently to the rest of the comp. He was less effective this year because much like Stephenson before him, he started drinking his own bathwater and didn’t put in the work required to play at his best. Unlike Stephenson, he’s not athletically gifted enough to get away with it.
Go re-watch the goal he got weaving in and out of players against Gold Coast. He’s got the tricks needed, he just has to put in the work. If the penny has dropped, the Hawks have a long term small forward. If not, he’ll be out of the system by the end of his contract. Time will tell which path he goes down.

Pretty well all true, with the addition that I have been doing my usual and watching the season just gone from start to finish, and I have to say that in the games he played, Ginnivan was really good. I still think we have given Hawthorn a star. I am going to hate seeing him play against us.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Let's remember that Will Kelly was supposed to be a top-end talent. As were the Brown brothers.

So you’re saying Brayden Shaw can still make it…

 

[KinderSmock]

Nah, that’s a popular myth from oppo supporters that you’ve swallowed there. He got roughly 10 goals from head high frees in 2022 before they clamped down on him, meaning he still got nearly 30 goals for the rest of the year, despite being umpired differently to the rest of the comp. He was less effective this year because much like Stephenson before him, he started drinking his own bathwater and didn’t put in the work required to play at his best. Unlike Stephenson, he’s not athletically gifted enough to get away with it.
Go re-watch the goal he got weaving in and out of players against Gold Coast. He’s got the tricks needed, he just has to put in the work. If the penny has dropped, the Hawks have a long term small forward. If not, he’ll be out of the system by the end of his contract. Time will tell which path he goes down.

Stephenson is becoming more and more of a VFL player by the minute. It's disappointing as he really looked like a generational talent in 2018.

I agree with most about Ginnivan. He's got goal sense and can play very good football - we saw that on ANZAC Day, 2022. Even if he was dropped by Hawthorn, I think another team would take him on. He's that sort of polarising figure who has enough talent that someone might give him a third chance. He's got the marketability of Bailey Smith but has his own flair.

Pretty well all true, with the addition that I have been doing my usual and watching the season just gone from start to finish, and I have to say that in the games he played, Ginnivan was really good. I still think we have given Hawthorn a star. I am going to hate seeing him play against us.

How much is a player worth it if they're causing trouble? Let's not pretend Ginnivan was only traded because of the Schultz trade.

 

[KinderSmock]

So you’re saying Brayden Shaw can still make it…

I had to Google who he was - drafted before my time.

 

[Apex36]

Was he any fitter in 2022? He didn't need to be as he was playing closer to goal and converting goals was his contribution. In 2023 we played different faster players as the deepest small and Ginni played higher up the ground. He's still learning to play that role and looked really lost early in the year. I know he's seen as a footballing genius by many, but he just looked to me like a player moved into a role that he didn't know what he was doing.

Given the multiple reports in the preseason of the club being unhappy with the condition he returned in, it would be safe to say yes, he was fitter in 2022.

But yeah, keep going with your different role narrative, despite the documented facts staring you in the face

 

[KinderSmock]

Given the multiple reports in the preseason of the club being unhappy with the condition he returned in, it would be safe to say yes, he was fitter in 2022.

But yeah, keep going with your different role narrative, despite the documented facts staring you in the face

Fitness is another factor for us trading him. Ginni is no runner and it's clear Fly values running. We don't have many poor runners left on the list in terms of young players.

 

[sr36]

Given the multiple reports in the preseason of the club being unhappy with the condition he returned in, it would be safe to say yes, he was fitter in 2022.

But yeah, keep going with your different role narrative, despite the documented facts staring you in the face

But yeah, keep going with the obnoxious tone when anyone questions the Apex truth. The documented facts? You have a bloody loose definition of a fact.

 

[The Phantom]

You remind me of Homer. You were probably one of the posters said the same thing when we first recruited Cox too.

Negative.
Been a supporter of Cox since day 1.
Elite attributes mentally, physically and attitudinally.
Always believed he had better chances of success than any Irish recruit.
So happy to see him persevere beyond the Buckley years and be rewarded.
( and I loved Bux, too, but history casts a poor light on his coaching)

 

[Bianconeri]

Clearly you missed the whole bit where he came back to preseason unfit, got caught doing lines, and missed a big chunk of the season trying to get his fitness back to a level where he could actually be competitive.

His drop off was more than just goals scored if that’s your metric.

They’re not mutually exclusive

 

[Bianconeri]

Given the multiple reports in the preseason of the club being unhappy with the condition he returned in, it would be safe to say yes, he was fitter in 2022.

But yeah, keep going with your different role narrative, despite the documented facts staring you in the face

Were they unhappy his condition worsened or were they unhappy his condition didn’t improve to the standard they were expecting?

 

[sr36]

Fitness is another factor for us trading him. Ginni is no runner and it's clear Fly values running. We don't have many poor runners left on the list in terms of young players.

We don't have them of any age. Unless you're a tall, you'd want be either quick or have elite endurance. Inside mid the last hope unless you can seriously run, but you've still got to get to a heap of contests