List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[HFF]

Not sure how essendon could get a deal done given their earlier pick is 11, then not til the 50's unless its a future pick

Future second

 

[Jen2310]

Future second

yeah, would have to be.

 

[Crazy Tails]

Not sure how essendon could get a deal done given their earlier pick is 11, then not til the 50's unless its a future pick

Maybe that's why they want our pick 27. If they want it so bad then they pay up for it.

GWS give Hill and 13 for Essendons 11 plus our 27?

 

[Horaceg]

You cost your player a $10k bonus to make the pies and dogs lose some 3 and 4th round picks. It would also be good marketing for them to get a number 1 pick.

Totally agree but if they believe Daicos is no.1 then they are well within their right to bid.

 

[slugger01]

Cool, thanks

So does that also mean that we don’t actually have to fill all the list spots?

So take that same example of 7 list spots and 9 picks.

Is it OK for us to only fill 5 of those list spots at the draft (for a list size of 36 which is the minimum) and then we take the remaining 2 into the rookie draft, or PSD, or MSD?

Yep. Exactly as you say.

Also, how would it work if we pick up Dib assuming he goes after #20? Do we all also need the points to match that? And if so, do we still get 20% discount? Or do we simply get him with our next available pick whatever that is?

For Dib, Academy players can be matched using your next pick you have. So, if our next pick is pick 78, we use that pick to match.
Edit: only can match after pick 20. Cannot match picks before that..

 

[MagpieJoel]

WITH FKIN WHAT??????????

They can have Josh Thomas......

... Runs and hides.

 

[Matt_352]

Come on Wright, get us Hill!

 

[HFF]

I bet you Hill is on big coin too....
We won’t be in the market due to this

 

[Crazy Tails]

WITH FKIN WHAT??????????

I'm going to preface this by saying I wouldn't do it but ....

the only asset of ours that I think they could be keen on is Jamie Elliott. Don't want to lose him but he's not part of our next flag tilt & he could chase one with them.

Reckon GWS would love a player like him (or Gunston to top them off). We might even get a little bit more on our end of the deal.

 

[sr36]

I thought picks were gone for good if we didn't take them into the draft? Instead the balance of the points left over from a bid forms one pick, which slots into the draft order corresponding to the number points carried. After that any remaining picks used are bounced to the back of the draft.

I thought so too. If you get the same pick back, the rule is pretty insipid. As you could effectively take 7 pick into draft with only four vacancies, if you're going to take 4 picks to match.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Cue the trade scenarios including, Cox, Sier, Madgen & Thomas.

Is the sum of the parts worth more or less?

 

[Quicky]

So have we signed Hill yet farken!

 

[slugger01]

I thought so too. If you get the same pick back, the rule is pretty insipid. As you could effectively take 7 pick into draft with only four vacancies, if you're going to take 4 picks to match.

Not really. You come to the draft with the number of picks that you have vacancies for.
That rule came in place to stop pick hoarding. So if you don’t have enough points to match, then you lose points from next year’s picks.
After that, those picks that were “hidden” reappear up to the number of vacant list spots you now have. The rule effectively penalises you from next years points because you are initially limited to match with picks that you have list spots for.

 

[Kings_Gambit]

There’s more chance I get drafted at pick 1 then us passing on Daicos

Can you take a grab in the forward line? Maybe a rookie spot

 

[jonbe54]

I'm going to preface this by saying I wouldn't do it but ....

the only asset of ours that I think they could be keen on is Jamie Elliott. Don't want to lose him but he's not part of our next flag tilt & he could chase one with them.

Reckon GWS would love a player like him (or Gunston to top them off). We might even get a little bit more on our end of the deal.

Jamie would be appropriate if he were eager but in any other circumstances there would be murder done once the fanbase found out.

 

[Crazy Tails]

Jamie would be appropriate if he were eager but in any other circumstances there would be murder done once the fanbase found out.

Yeah it would have to be driven by him to chase a flag; he's tested the market before (with Brisbane) and re-signed so who knows.

 

[sr36]

Not really. You come to the draft with the number of picks that you have vacancies for.
That rule came in place to stop pick hoarding. So if you don’t have enough points to match, then you lose points from next year’s picks.
After that, those picks that were “hidden” reappear up to the number of vacant list spots you now have. The rule effectively penalises you from next years points because you are initially limited to match with picks that you have list spots for.

If you're right, that's good news for us and means that the rule is slightly different than its usually told. Eg. In our context, we can in reality take more picks into the draft than the number of list spots we have, the list spots is just about the number of picks we can use on a Daicos bid.

 

[legendstatus]

Would you do a first round pick next year for BH?


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[Jen2310]

Would you do a first round pick next year for BH?


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No

 

[Crazy Tails]

Would you do a first round pick next year for BH?


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No. I wouldn't. If it was our future first it could be in the top 5.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Any chance we try pick 27 for Hill?

GW said we were prepared to go into deficit on Daicos if we had to.

A proven quantity and list need like Hill is exactly the scenario we should take some risk on.

I wouldn’t risk going into deficit. Because if we do we create an incentive for other clubs to punish us by bidding on Daicos ASAP (To potentially improve their 2022 first round pick position).

 

[Go Woods]

Get Bobby Hill GW! Weave your magic

 

[76woodenspooners]

C) There is no real "strategic" reason for North to bid on Daicos first, as all of our picks before the third round picks they have will be gone anyway, regardless of whether the bid for Daicos comes in at pick 1, 2, 3 or even pick 4, so there is no net material gain to be had from North bidding on Daicos with pick 1.

D) North just knocked back a ridiculous offer of three first round picks (two of them Adelaide's) for pick 1 this year, which it would be reasonable to assume indicates that both teams are bullish on JHF at pick 1.

Moving on from North …

… would GWS be incentivised to bid on Daicos at pick 2 to help their later pick position? For example, GWS are currently holding pick 53. The earlier Daicos and Darcy are called out, the better that pick 53 becomes. Best case for GWS they call out Darcy at 2 and Daicos at 3, and their pick 53 would become a pick around 45. If Daicos and Darcy go later, then their pick 53 might be closer to pick 49 or 48.

 

[inxs88]

Whenever I hear this "Ian Reid" ad on Trade Radio, it always sounds like he is saying "Ben Reid" Haha

It's a father son duo so sometimes they say Ben. I do know Ian does more ads due to Ben having occasional hamstring tightness during recordings.

 

[AmericanMustard]

Am I the only one who think Bobby Hill is one of the more over rated players in the AFL? I realise I probably am, but more than happy to give that one a miss