List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[jonbe54]

If you've been able to previously swap them it could be possible. On the surface though, it'd seem strange for a cat A rookie with afl experience to be able to be recategorized as cat b.

Agreed sr I would categorize as VFL capable so definitely not cat b.

 

[Apex36]

If you've been able to previously swap them it could be possible. On the surface though, it'd seem strange for a cat A rookie with afl experience to be able to be recategorized as cat b.

We’ll find out soon enough I guess, but I don’t really see it as any different to Cox being upgraded from the cat B list to play senior footy early in his career, only to be placed back as cat b at the end of the season. And Tohill was 100% the cat A rookie of the two in year 1.

 

[Apex36]

Agreed sr I would categorize as VFL capable so definitely not cat b.

What you categorise something as is completely irrelevant in regards to the actual rules.

 

[sr36]

We’ll find out soon enough I guess, but I don’t really see it as any different to Cox being upgraded from the cat B list to play senior footy early in his career, only to be placed back as cat b at the end of the season. And Tohill was 100% the cat A rookie of the two in year 1.

I hope you're right.

 

[Kappa]

How so?

Because he's already on an AFL rookie list? It makes no logical sense, the whole idea of Cat B is getting kids from outside AFL programs, he is literally already on an AFL list so...

Now the AFL may let Collingwood do it because they make the rules up as they go, but it doesn't make any sense.

 

[Gabbo64]

Can take him in the 24 hr window when DFA opens its about a week before the draft.

Thanks Jen

 

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officially delisted, wouldn't be opposed to adding some more midfield depth, only 26.
2018/19 seasons were quite good from memory. Questionable character, but you're only a questionable character until you're not.

 

[legendstatus]

I wasn't totally sold on Brander & Skinner but 1 or those would be worth a try. Maybe Skinner going by the highlights, question is mobility for me.

 

[Gabbo64]

There's another 48-hour DFA signing period after final list lodgements in mid-November, but given our need to preserve open list spots to match the bid on Daicos we'd either need to delist someone (Madgen?) or pick any DFA we may have our eye on during the PSD.

In any case the problem with Brander isn't whether we could get him in, it's more a case of whether he'd want to come as he would want to play senior footy rather than run around in the VFL so we might not be as an attractive a destination for him that other clubs may be.

I still think we should have a free swing at him (The Royal Sampler - tagging you in given your creeping doubts about him) if he's willing to come as he might be a handy third tall at one end of the ground or the other. I think his delisting is more of a product of West Coast's cap squeeze and them not being able to re-sign him on anything reasonable than anything to do with him specifically as a footballer.

I also keep going back to the fact that he has been and still will be behind Kennedy, Darling and Allen in the pecking order for next year (and the need to have a ruck-forward in the mix given Nic Nat only plays 65-70% of game time most weeks) as being as being key reason for Brander not cementing a spot in the Eagle's forward line as a third tall (with a similar situation in their D50).

It doesn't seem like he has any off-field issues or doesn't put in the hard yards on the training track so I'd have a crack if I were GW.

Thanks for a good detailed answer. Much appreciated.

 

[MyManLynch]

I don't think there is any "spirit of the rule" consideration here. IMO he's either eligible to go back onto the Cat B rookie list based solely on his entry pathway / us having a vacant Cat B list spot / all "year three" rookies having (now) one additional year of rookie list eligibility, or he isn't.

Last time I checked his entry pathway hasn't changed, he hasn't been promoted to the senior list and we have a vacant Cat B rookie spot, so we'd be well within our rights make the request and expect it to be approved. The fact that he was swapped with Tohill in their second year also speaks to the idea of one of them being on the Cat A list as being an "overflow" situation, rather than a permanent branding of one of them as a Cat A rookie.

I seriously don't think the AFL will refuse the request to list Keane as a Cat B rookie - not losing any sleep over it at all to be honest.

Hopefully you’re right.
I just don’t trust the AFL when it comes to common sense decisions.
If Keane is allowed onto Cat B list, that can create another list opening for us.
This season we had 36, 6 & 2.
We can choose to go 37, 5 & 2 for 2022?
Hence space for one additional senior listed player…a DFA or Pre Season listing?
Correct?

 

[Apex36]

Because he's already on an AFL rookie list? It makes no logical sense, the whole idea of Cat B is getting kids from outside AFL programs, he is literally already on an AFL list so...

Now the AFL may let Collingwood do it because they make the rules up as they go, but it doesn't make any sense.

He was listed as an Irish international rookie, and originally cat B. Tohill was switched from cat A to cat B in their second year. Given Keane hasn’t been elevated to the senior list at all and they’ve already done it once I don’t see any reason why they’d disallow the move.

 

[Jen2310]

Hopefully you’re right.
I just don’t trust the AFL when it comes to common sense decisions.
If Keane is allowed onto Cat B list, that can create another list opening for us.
This season we had 36, 6 & 2.
We can choose to go 37, 5 & 2 for 2022?
Hence space for one additional senior listed player…a DFA or Pre Season listing?
Correct?

I thought we had a full senior list in 2021. Wasn't that 38? plus 6 rookies and 2 Cat B.

" 37 players and a maximum of 44 players on their books. Primary lists must have between 36 and 38 players. Category A rookies are capped at 4-6, up to a total of 42 players on a list including primary-listed players. Each club can also have two Category B rookies "

 

[partypie]

Hopefully you’re right.
I just don’t trust the AFL when it comes to common sense decisions.
If Keane is allowed onto Cat B list, that can create another list opening for us.
This season we had 36, 6 & 2.
We can choose to go 37, 5 & 2 for 2022?
Hence space for one additional senior listed player…a DFA or Pre Season listing?
Correct?

I've got my fingers crossed a little too but I'm basing this on the AFL's past stance on sticking to "the letter of the rules" rather than the "spirit of the rules" when something like this comes up, after which they often amend the rule(s) in question so it can't happen again if they don't want it to.

If push comes to shove then we just delist Keane himself with a promise to pick him up in the rookie draft. Another small reason why I'm not losing any sleep over the Keane issue at all and why I'm assuming we will have the required 6 list spots open come draft day.

 

[MyManLynch]

I thought we had a full senior list in 2021. Wasn't that 38? plus 6 rookies and 2 Cat B.

" 37 players and a maximum of 44 players on their books. Primary lists must have between 36 and 38 players. Category A rookies are capped at 4-6, up to a total of 42 players on a list including primary-listed players. Each club can also have two Category B rookies "

List sizes where reduced 2020. Maxim list size 44 down from 47.
Cat B reduced from 3 to 2.
So list of senior/Cat A was a maximum of 42. (36 6, 37 5 or 38 4).
I’m quite sure we were 36 & 6.

 

[No SPIN]

I wasn't totally sold on Brander & Skinner but 1 or those would be worth a try. Maybe Skinner going by the highlights, question is mobility for me.

Skinner has had 3 knee reco’s.
Big risk IMO.

 

[Stifler's mom]

Apparently he’s not really Irish.

Doesnt drink and swear?

 

[Jen2310]

List sizes where reduced 2020. Maxim list size 44 down from 47.
Cat B reduced from 3 to 2.
So list of senior/Cat A was a maximum of 42. (36 6, 37 5 or 38 4).
I’m quite sure we were 36 & 6.

yeah, thats right. And the list sizes remain the same for 2022.


The minimum list size for each club will be 37, which can be made up by as little as 36 senior listed players and one rookie.

To reach 44, clubs can carry 36-38 senior listed players, four-to-six Category A rookies and two Category B rookies.

New AFL player pay deal reached, list sizes revealed

Players will be asked to take a pay cut of 3.5 per cent in 2021

www.afl.com.au

 

[sr36]

List sizes where reduced 2020. Maxim list size 44 down from 47.
Cat B reduced from 3 to 2.
So list of senior/Cat A was a maximum of 42. (36 6, 37 5 or 38 4).
I’m quite sure we were 36 & 6.

I think we'll continue to aim for 36 and 6, as it's better in terms of salary cap. And only divert if there's someone still available in the draft who we are really keen on and think is worth worsening our cap position.

 

[manicpie]

Skinner has had 3 knee reco’s.
Big risk IMO.

Hasn't had one for 3 years though

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

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[Apex36]

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Twist: Jordy wants to re-sign early on his current $$ for 4 years.

(This is a joke btw)

 

[legendstatus]

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[Harry O]

Probably the twist is the AFL still haven’t confirmed the Salary Cap amounts Still!

 

[MyManLynch]

I think we'll continue to aim for 36 and 6, as it's better in terms of salary cap. And only divert if there's someone still available in the draft who we are really keen on and think is worth worsening our cap position.

At the moment we are 32, 5 & 1 (32, 4 & 2 if Keane allowed to be Cat B).
Hence 5 open list spots currently available (Would increase to 6 if Keane Cat B).

nb above figures assuming both Madgen & Cox offered new contracts

 

[sr36]

At the moment we are 32, 5 & 1 (32, 4 & 2 if Keane allowed to be Cat B).
Hence 5 open list spots currently available (Would increase to 6 if Keane Cat B).

nb above figures assuming both Madgen & Cox offered new contracts

I think Madge might be in trouble if Keane can't be relocated. Only short term trouble though if we want to keep him, as we'll be able to re-add him if we want to.i doubt anyone will cut our lunch.
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