List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[JuniorB]

Dead right. If we managed to keep all our list under $850k, it sets us up well for flag tilts in time.
I realise Grundy is over this amount and it’s a problem on 2 fronts.
1) It hurts our cap and,
2) Other players will expect the same which hurts the cap squeeze further

It wouldn't hurt for Grundy to volunteer to take a pay cut - he's got the long term security of another 6 years as it is.

 

[Harry O]

Be interesting where Leek Aleer gets taken in this draft
Would think he ticks a few boxes for us as a long term Roughy replacement and partner for Moore

 

[snagbreac]

I've slated Constable, Brander, Brock Smith, Conca, Fyfe,

Constable - He's so talented.

Brander - Versatile, talented young player. We were thinking about trading for him.

Brock Smith - A defensive draftee who we had links to in the 2019 draft.

Aiden Fyfe - Again, another underrated player who Gold Coast ditched too early

Boyd Woodcock - So talented as a young small forward. Fits our needs.

Jay Lockhart

41

Jay Lockhart

Age

28

Ht

177cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

154.2

2star

D

8.4

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

4.2

3star

M

2.2

2star

T

1.8

3star

MG

90.0

2star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.2

5star

MG

196.8

4star

- I like his game. Carey Demons product from North Launceston's footy factory.

Marty Hore

27

Marty Hore

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

263.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

18.2

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

5.4

4star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.8

4star

MG

282.2

5star

- He's risky because of his knees but he won our VFL award for two years and always looked certain to make the AFL for Collingwood.

Jack Lonie

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Jack Lonie

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- It makes no sense for a solid small forward, capable of four goal performances on a consistent basis to be delisted. Two years ago he was looking for a trade but remained at his childhood club.

Matthew Ling - A good VFL player but I'm not too sure.

 

[Prochard123]

Be interesting where Leek Aleer gets taken in this draft
Would think he ticks a few boxes for us as a long term Roughy replacement and partner for Moore

His highlight package would suggest that he should be taken in the top 5 of the draft.

 

[DERKADERRR]

I've slated Constable, Brander, Brock Smith, Conca, Fyfe,

Constable - He's so talented.

Brander - Versatile, talented young player. We were thinking about trading for him.

Brock Smith - A defensive draftee who we had links to in the 2019 draft.

Aiden Fyfe - Again, another underrated player who Gold Coast ditched too early

Boyd Woodcock - So talented as a young small forward. Fits our needs.

Jay Lockhart - I like his game. Carey Demons product from North Launceston's footy factory.

Marty Hore - He's risky because of his knees but he won our VFL award for two years and always looked certain to make the AFL for Collingwood.

Jack Lonie - It makes no sense for a solid small forward, capable of four goal performances on a consistent basis to be delisted. Two years ago he was looking for a trade but remained at his childhood club.

Matthew Ling - A good VFL player but I'm not too sure.

Jeez that's fairly generous on Lonie, he's only kicked 4 goals twice and 3 goals three times, so that's not exactly "capable of a 4 goal performances of a consistent basis"

Out of all those listed, I'd suggest that Brander would be the only one to consider for a spot on our list right now, maybe Constable as a rookie but I don't think we need him. The others could maybe be considered as an SSP but I doubt it.

 

[What is a cakewalk]

Problem is, you need 4-5 picks in the top 30 when rebuilding. And 1-2 in the top 10 over a couple of years. I get that we mortgaged the farm for a shot at a premiership, so we need to just accept it. Still, I would have made some different list choices myself -- and I know we've gone on about it, but boy did we lose out on Treloar and Stevenson.

Where is the problem exactly? Last year we had 4 in the top 30 and a 5th at 31. This year we get a top 3 pick in daicos and next year we will have our own first rounder likely to be top 10 (good chance top 5). So in 3 drafts we will have obtained exactly what you prescribed. No doubt we could've got far better value from our trades last year but it's not like we're neglecting the draft.

 

[Bramax]

It wouldn't hurt for Grundy to volunteer to take a pay cut - he's got the long term security of another 6 years as it is.

He’s under no obligation to do so but he would help his own chances of Premiership success if he did.

 

[manicpie]

I've slated Constable, Brander, Brock Smith, Conca, Fyfe,

Constable - He's so talented.

Brander - Versatile, talented young player. We were thinking about trading for him.

Brock Smith - A defensive draftee who we had links to in the 2019 draft.

Aiden Fyfe - Again, another underrated player who Gold Coast ditched too early

Boyd Woodcock - So talented as a young small forward. Fits our needs.

Jay Lockhart - I like his game. Carey Demons product from North Launceston's footy factory.

Marty Hore - He's risky because of his knees but he won our VFL award for two years and always looked certain to make the AFL for Collingwood.

Jack Lonie - It makes no sense for a solid small forward, capable of four goal performances on a consistent basis to be delisted. Two years ago he was looking for a trade but remained at his childhood club.

Matthew Ling - A good VFL player but I'm not too sure.

Look's like you got those names from the hack's list. Brander is the only one worth considering on that list. You may as well tie a 50 tonne anchor to the club with that bunch of hack's

 

[Virgin Dog]

Posted this on the draft boards, but was curious what Pies fans think.

How many picks will your club use in the 2021 NAB AFL Draft?

Five Victorian clubs are headed for the biggest investment in this year's NAB AFL Draft, reports Callum Twomey

www.afl.com.au

This article suggests the Pies and Dogs will use "3 or 4 picks". As it stands, the Pies hold 7 picks with value, while the Dogs hold 5. Each clubs trading habits over the last few weeks have suggested both are accumulating points, rather than trying to concentrate it in earlier picks, so does this suggest they are allowed to match using as many picks as they like, rather than going back to being restricted to number of list spots?

Not sure how many open list spots the Pies have, but I believe it's at 4 for the Dogs currently, so we have 1 too many picks if restricted to number of open spots

 

[Mark W]

Constable - He's so talented.

He's so slow

Brander - Versatile, talented young player. We were thinking about trading for him.

Beware the big man who cant do big man things. Yes, he is athletic and has nice skills. But his one on one stuff is poor, he lacks physicality and he just doesn't win contests

Marty Hore - He's risky because of his knees but he won our VFL award for two years and always looked certain to make the AFL for Collingwood.

I always thought Marty was too slow for the AFL. What small/medium forward could he keep up with? My fears are compounded by his ACL - won't help his pace. He does read the play like a book though and is a lovely intercept mark. Would love to get him for the VFL team

Jack Lonie - It makes no sense for a solid small forward, capable of four goal performances on a consistent basis to be delisted. Two years ago he was looking for a trade but remained at his childhood club.

If we were challenging, sure, a competent enough small forward who could play a role straight away. Unfortunately we are years away, and Id rather play Beau and Ginni who have more long term potential. Lonie is ok, but lets face it, he is a bit vanilla

 

[frizzle]

Posted this on the draft boards, but was curious what Pies fans think.

How many picks will your club use in the 2021 NAB AFL Draft?

Five Victorian clubs are headed for the biggest investment in this year's NAB AFL Draft, reports Callum Twomey

www.afl.com.au

This article suggests the Pies and Dogs will use "3 or 4 picks". As it stands, the Pies hold 7 picks with value, while the Dogs hold 5. Each clubs trading habits over the last few weeks have suggested both are accumulating points, rather than trying to concentrate it in earlier picks, so does this suggest they are allowed to match using as many picks as they like, rather than going back to being restricted to number of list spots?

Not sure how many open list spots the Pies have, but I believe it's at 4 for the Dogs currently, so we have 1 too many picks if restricted to number of open spots

Then I guess you would have to delist another player or simply pass on your last selection. Which is what happens in most drafts.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Then I guess you would have to delist another player or simply pass on your last selection. Which is what happens in most drafts.

Can't just "pass on your last selection" if we're restricted on live picks when entering the draft. We literally can't bring Pick 52 to the draft if we don't already have that spot open in the first place. We also have every player contracted for next year now (after the latest round of delistings) so if there is restrictions, our only option is bumping someone down to the rookie list.

This is why I'm curious how many open spots the Pies have as it would give insight into how the clubs will approach the next month or so

 

[Forethought]

Posted this on the draft boards, but was curious what Pies fans think.

How many picks will your club use in the 2021 NAB AFL Draft?

Five Victorian clubs are headed for the biggest investment in this year's NAB AFL Draft, reports Callum Twomey

www.afl.com.au

This article suggests the Pies and Dogs will use "3 or 4 picks". As it stands, the Pies hold 7 picks with value, while the Dogs hold 5. Each clubs trading habits over the last few weeks have suggested both are accumulating points, rather than trying to concentrate it in earlier picks, so does this suggest they are allowed to match using as many picks as they like, rather than going back to being restricted to number of list spots?

Not sure how many open list spots the Pies have, but I believe it's at 4 for the Dogs currently, so we have 1 too many picks if restricted to number of open spots

Looks good for us trading some of our picks to North, Hawks and Saints as their tipped to take 5 draft selections. All dependent on the Daicos bid. I’d say we probably trade live for their future second and a few points for this year.
Big gaps in their draft picks as per below.

 

[Harry O]

Pies have about 32 senior listed at the moment.

in terms of points for the draft it is interesting that the likes of Melb (57) and Bris (54 and 60) don’t have the list spots to use some of their current picks in the 2021 draft.

 

[MyManLynch]

Posted this on the draft boards, but was curious what Pies fans think.

How many picks will your club use in the 2021 NAB AFL Draft?

Five Victorian clubs are headed for the biggest investment in this year's NAB AFL Draft, reports Callum Twomey

www.afl.com.au

This article suggests the Pies and Dogs will use "3 or 4 picks". As it stands, the Pies hold 7 picks with value, while the Dogs hold 5. Each clubs trading habits over the last few weeks have suggested both are accumulating points, rather than trying to concentrate it in earlier picks, so does this suggest they are allowed to match using as many picks as they like, rather than going back to being restricted to number of list spots?

Not sure how many open list spots the Pies have, but I believe it's at 4 for the Dogs currently, so we have 1 too many picks if restricted to number of open spots

We actually have 5 list spots upon entering the draft (with Chugg delisted…promise to re rookie), so when the Daicos bid comes we could spend up to 5 picks (won’t be necessary), then we draft 2-3 other players & save 1 list spot to re rookie Chugg.
If Keane allowed to transfer to Cat B rookie, we then have 6 list spots open pre draft.

 

[Gabbo64]

It wouldn't hurt for Grundy to volunteer to take a pay cut - he's got the long term security of another 6 years as it is.

Fat chance!

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

Can't just "pass on your last selection" if we're restricted on live picks when entering the draft. We literally can't bring Pick 52 to the draft if we don't already have that spot open in the first place. We also have every player contracted for next year now (after the latest round of delistings) so if there is restrictions, our only option is bumping someone down to the rookie list.

This is why I'm curious how many open spots the Pies have as it would give insight into how the clubs will approach the next month or so

Mason Cox still is yet to be signed so there his spot that will likely be determined after draft night.

 

[Scodog10]

Mason Cox still is yet to be signed so there his spot that will likely be determined after draft night.

It’ll be determined well before then. The deadline for re-contracting players is end of October by which time we’ll have advised him of our plans (if we haven’t already). My guess is he’ll re-sign and they’re currently ironing out the finer details.

 

[partypie]

Mason Cox still is yet to be signed so there his spot that will likely be determined after draft night.

That's not possible - last chance to delist players is list lodgement 2 in the second week of November. If we're going to sign him it has to be done by then.

 

[Harry O]

It is amazing how many people who barrack for the dogs and pies who still don’t understand the picks and points rules for father sons and NGA’s

we can take 10 picks to the draft if we want. You don’t have to use them all if you don’t want to

where the list spots comes in to play is f you say have only 4 list spots available- then you can only use the first 4 of your say 10 selections to match the bid. And if that leaves you short on points you go in to defect
You can then use the remaining draft picks to select other players or live trade for other picks in 2021 or 2022

 

[MyManLynch]

It’ll be determined well before then. The deadline for re-contracting players is end of October by which time we’ll have advised him of our plans (if we haven’t already). My guess is he’ll re-sign and they’re currently ironing out the finer details.

I assume it‘s down to a $$$ discussion for 1 year deal.
Club probably low balling…Manager trying to squeeze out a bit more.
Sure it will be done.

 

[partypie]

Can't just "pass on your last selection" if we're restricted on live picks when entering the draft. We literally can't bring Pick 52 to the draft if we don't already have that spot open in the first place. We also have every player contracted for next year now (after the latest round of delistings) so if there is restrictions, our only option is bumping someone down to the rookie list.

This is why I'm curious how many open spots the Pies have as it would give insight into how the clubs will approach the next month or so

You're getting picks eligible for bid matching confused with live draft picks here.

If we only have five list senior list spots open come draft day then we can only use our first five picks to match any bid on Daicos (or Dib if it comes inside the tiop 40 for him).

If we have additional picks after that first five then they don't just "disappear" if that's what you're thinking, we'll still be able to use them as live draft selections after the Daicos bid has been matched.

p.s. it looks like we'll have at least six senior list spots open by the time the national draft day comes around one way or another - either by having Keane taking up a Cat B rookie spot again (if the AFL permits it), or Keane being delisted and picked up again as a rookie (if we still want him).

 

[Jen2310]

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[Virgin Dog]

You're getting picks eligible for bid matching confused with live draft picks here.

If we only have five list senior list spots open come draft day then we can only use our first five picks to match any bid on Daicos (or Dib if it comes inside the tiop 40 for him).

If we have additional picks after that first five then they don't just "disappear" if that's what you're thinking, we'll still be able to use them as live draft selections after the Daicos bid has been matched.

p.s. it looks like we'll have at least six senior list spots open by the time the national draft day comes around one way or another - either by having Keane taking up a Cat B rookie spot again (if the AFL permits it), or Keane being delisted and picked up again as a rookie (if we still want him).

There's a fact I did not know - I was under the impression they literally disappear if you don't have the spots. Cheers for that

 

[Jen2310]

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