List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

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I’m certain we will keep it unless it’s needed to get Ben King.


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We're not getting Ben King. I would find it highly unlikely an event like that would occur. For a start, it will be two first rounders plus as Gold Coast want to keep talent. St Kilda has more chance. Our forward line is also stacked so yeah nah. The club has already said we're not buying success as part of the Do Better Report.
 
We're not getting Ben King. I would find it highly unlikely an event like that would occur. For a start, it will be two first rounders plus as Gold Coast want to keep talent. St Kilda has more chance. Our forward line is also stacked so yeah nah. The club has already said we're not buying success as part of the Do Better Report.
From what I've heard, there is a plan to recruit a tall from GC next year. (Which one is less clear). Of course, lots of clubs might feel the same, and as you mentioned GC will have their own thoughts.
 
Best comparison, best case scenario is that McMahon is like Larkey... tall and skinny later draft pick but by age 22 it all starts to come together. Fingers crossed.

I have my doubts. That’s why there should be several young KPP developing on the list at the same time.

McMahon, Kelly, Keane, Begg... Krueger now. Unless they gravitate towards a mature age option like Hammelmann ... I still think we are 1-2 195cm, under 23 KPP players short

Hawks did this under GW... drafted several late pick talls in Mitch Lewis, Jeka, Kositchke... and still took Callow in the MSD. Probably only 2 of those make it long term... but that’s why you need several
There so much potential - kid is tall, knows how to lead and is a great mark - good kick as well

Not saying he is going to make it and it's going to take a few years to put on the weight / muscle required so there's no point us having drafted him to delist within at least a 3 year period
 

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From what I've heard, there is a plan to recruit a tall from GC next year. (Which one is less clear). Of course, lots of clubs might feel the same, and as you mentioned GC will have their own thoughts.
Where did you hear this? I'm legitimately interested. For a while our plan was to coax Petracca from Melbourne but that aged well.
 

Jordan de Goey junior is already getting career-ending articles written about him at the mere age of 22. Just as well we're not dealing with bike dude AND JDG.
 
We're going to need to be careful about retention for the 2020 class. The amount of guys we took simply can't all be there in a few years' time. First to go for me is McMahon and Chugg (but he's a rookie, so different criteria). McInnes, Macrae, Henry and Poulter all seem up to it. McCreery and Ginnivan are good as well. But even 6 for a draft class is a lot.

McMahon to me hasn't shown anything. Sure, he's kicked a few bags at VFL level but he's inconsistent and undersized. With the amount of forwards we now have, I don't see him getting a game any time soon. His career is going to depend on this year a lot as he needs exposure in the VFL to cement a spot on the list. AFL is off the charts.

McInnes, a first round draftee is an exciting NGA talent who probably should have got a game this season. Unlucky not to but injuries and Covid are to blame. I like McInnes and he reminds me a lot of Quaynor.

Ginnivan's a rookie so can spend a bit longer developing.

McCreery's concern is injury. Few unlucky ones. When fit he's great but if this year's anything to go by, he's a vulnerability.

Reckon Geelong's going to have their eye on Henry so something to be mindful of.

Poulter may also want a return to Adelaide but he seems chilled and spent Year 12 living away from home to prepare for the AFL so I'm less phased.

Out of the 2020 class, the ones unlikely to get another contract are Chugg and McMahon.

We'll be assessing this haul long into the future as Henry determines the impact of Treloar and McInnes, McMahon and a percentage of Daicos vs. GWS pick two will certainly keep analysts wondering 'what if'.
Analysts always speculate what if's - it's how they make their living.
 
Barwick was a better player, but Brown was more important for 2010 than Doug was for 1990.
Solid relief ruck then pushed forward to make a 3rd tall marking forward against the right opposition.

Made us a so much better team - not because he was a star but because he added enough of an aerial threat with our other quality talls to push us over the top in flag contention.
 
We're not getting Ben King. I would find it highly unlikely an event like that would occur. For a start, it will be two first rounders plus as Gold Coast want to keep talent. St Kilda has more chance. Our forward line is also stacked so yeah nah. The club has already said we're not buying success as part of the Do Better Report.
Why, because they have his brother?

They’ve blown up their cap to the point they couldn’t afford $600k for Treloar last year, I seriously doubt they’ll be able to come even close to what would be required to secure Kings signature.
 
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Where did you hear this? I'm legitimately interested. For a while our plan was to coax Petracca from Melbourne but that aged well.



Looking at their list.. if it isn’t King... then it’s hopefully young Ned Moyle... who I think will be an excellent ruck eventually

The rest of the names are either too old for our list profile, QLD academy products that the Suns will want to hang on to, or in the case of Lukosius... will probably only leave QLD in order to go back to SA on a big contract
 
Cash is irrelevant. The Roos can easily tack on $20k to his contract. It’s the prestige they won’t pass on, both for him and the club, given it’s their first pick 1 ever.
Had to double-take. Thought a club with such "prestige" as North would have had a #1 pick before
 
Best comparison, best case scenario is that McMahon is like Larkey... tall and skinny later draft pick but by age 22 it all starts to come together. Fingers crossed.

I have my doubts. That’s why there should be several young KPP developing on the list at the same time.

McMahon, Kelly, Keane, Begg... Krueger now. Unless they gravitate towards a mature age option like Hammelmann ... I still think we are 1-2 195cm, under 23 KPP players short

Hawks did this under GW... drafted several late pick talls in Mitch Lewis, Jeka, Kositchke... and still took Callow in the MSD. Probably only 2 of those make it long term... but that’s why you need several
I agree with most of it but the problem would be, how to develop 4 or 5 players for the same position? If anything, we need to draft a genuine Key Defender. We have the makings of a brilliant and diverse forward line with Henry, Ginnivin, Johnson and McCreery. I would get an indiginous small or 2 to add to it, someone with genuine pace and defensive skills. I think we will be surprised how well Krueger will develop as our KF, he is a great contested mark and very athletic, and is built like a tank, he led Australia for contested marks a couple of years ago, although in a lesser comp, that's still pretty impressive
 

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Best comparison, best case scenario is that McMahon is like Larkey... tall and skinny later draft pick but by age 22 it all starts to come together. Fingers crossed.

I have my doubts. That’s why there should be several young KPP developing on the list at the same time.

McMahon, Kelly, Keane, Begg... Krueger now. Unless they gravitate towards a mature age option like Hammelmann ... I still think we are 1-2 195cm, under 23 KPP players short

Hawks did this under GW... drafted several late pick talls in Mitch Lewis, Jeka, Kositchke... and still took Callow in the MSD. Probably only 2 of those make it long term... but that’s why you need several
I'd look at no more than one KPP this year, late pick KP forwards don't have a great record and I'd give McMahon some time to build up his body - turning over KPF after two years on the list is a bit quick IMO - if he doesn't work out as a forward, then I'd be keen to look at him as a backman too. Big year for Wilson as we really need someone in his age bracket to strongly press for selection - then there's the need for a backup ruckman, if we're interested in developing a replacement/backup for Grundy then we'd need to consider a ruck in 2022. I'd be targeting the best KPF in next years draft (although we have a very poor record of recruiting quality KFs).
 
Had to double-take. Thought a club with such "prestige" as North would have had a #1 pick before
Say what you will about North, but they’ve managed to avoid the title of ‘worst’ for a very long time, so credit to them for that at least.
 
Say what you will about North, but they’ve managed to avoid the title of ‘worst’ for a very long time, so credit to them for that at least.
Yes. I've never known a team on the bottom of the ladder to receive such glowing praise. Hats off to the PR team.
 
Weren't you questioning him going to a concert the night before a game?

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Was I? I don't recall lol doesn't make him a bad egg. Either way, hasn't had any off field dramas. Probably just learning the art of professionalism of a footballers life.
 
Did you read mine? All I mentioned was there is also the 20K going to the kid and you called it irrelevant.
I suggest you re-read my post again carefully, and this time go past the first sentence.
 
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