List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

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Not a word out of the club to refute or dismiss the speculation that we will be looking to move Grundy on at seasons end , and rightly so , say nothing , but an astute operator such as Wright will only put in place what is best for Collingwood moving forward. All options and avenues regarding Grundy will be on the table .

Not sure what I make of the whole situation but for all we know GW could be pushing this agenda subtly to help us come to terms with the idea, and for potential suitors to come asking questions.

You can't tell me the Richmond to NSW speculation wasn't tactical.

 

[Apex36]

On another thread they mention Pies would probably accept a 2nd or 3rd round to dump all of his salary

Sort of makes sense to help move him on more easily?


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That’s BF delusion

 

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Remember last year's rumour that we were into Lobb... we couldn't could we

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

It is to get back Salary Cap space - so you have space available for future buying/trades.
Grundy's contract is way too long and at his (2023) output he is way overpaid.
Treloar's last year of the 300k contribution is 2024 - that also was bad management.
We already have 3 ruckmen on the list and we can trade/draft another in the next 2 years if we can trade Grundy at the end of this season.
Grundy is not a match winner so should not be paid as one - that is a waste and eats into your available Salary Cap.

I'm aware what the purpose of a salary cap is, and we already have created space with our earlier clean out. We already have offered, apparently, a contract to McStay, plus re-signing Maynard and Moore, and had a contract offer to DeGoey, so our cap must not be too bad. Creating cap space can be achieved in the future by other means, retirements ( we could have 3 or 4 players retire in the next couple of years), varying the terms of a contract, payment structures etc....
You say we have 3 ruckman, we have Cox 32 years old next season, Begg, about 3 years away, Cameron playing very well now, but only 43 games in, and Grundy, AA, dual Copeland winner, and one of the best ruckman in the competition when at his best.
We get rid of Grundy now, we will be looking to trade in a mature ruckman in 12 months time....
As l said before, if the club has spoken to Brodie, and he would be happy to return to SA, and it's mutual, then try to work something out. Plus the club he goes to, has to take on his whole contract, and we are 100% sure of getting in an A grader, whilst re-signing DeGoey.
I would hate to see another Treloar situation, when the player is blindsided, and moved out, to ease our cap. I think the Treloar situation affected the side, when that occurred....

 

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[Dead Eye Didak]

Tom Browne said last week according to his sources that David Noble was getting sacked this week. Where is this happening this week?
Like the comments on Grundy, just guessing, and it may happen, but not 100% sure....

Apologies to Tommy Browne, he was correct, with Noble getting sacked this morning or last night.....

 

[Scodog10]

On another thread they mention Pies would probably accept a 2nd or 3rd round to dump all of his salary

Sort of makes sense to help move him on more easily?


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Depending on what we do with the salary that works for me. As long as you don’t get a Treloar scenario with an unders trade and paying his salary we could find ourselves in a good position.

The problem is if we were to shift his contract only to load up with McStay, Hill etc that’s an L. I don’t mind either BTW, but that’s a list shaping chunk of salary which those two are not.

 

[Scodog10]

Apologies to Tommy Browne, he was correct with Noble getting sacked this morning or last night.....

He’s the weasel king, but it’s hard to begrudge the quality of the info he gets.

 

[No SPIN]

You’ve all fully lost the plot.

32 year old Mason Cox, a 45 game DC in a rich vein of form and Aidan Begg would be our ruck quality moving forward. For what? Some late round draft picks and salary release? So we can re-sign the headache JDG? We’d then have to go seek a ruck quality backup, which don’t come cheap anymore. They are a dime a dozen.

No thank you. Too many people on here are roped in through basic stats like a kid at a candy store. All the advanced metrics point to us becoming an easy beat at centre clearance, and it’s lucky we are good on transition. Don’t get me wrong, DC is a fantastic mark and can go forward better than Grundy but BG is by far the superior ruck and that’s not even a discussion.

In two years, Cox will retire and Begg will be 21 but nowhere near ready to shoulder a ruck forward role. Grundy won’t even be 30.

I’d rather find other avenues and ways to get the players we need then to constantly bring up Grundy in trade rumours from *******s like Rockliff and Kane Cornes.

Move on.

Agree. - great post.
This idea we dump Grundy, and recruit a rookie spud Ruckman to save money is short sighted.

 

[JuniorB]

Agree. - great post.
This idea we dump Grundy, and recruit a rookie spud Ruckman to save money is short sighted.

If anyone needs reminding how good Grundy is at his best, watch the last quarter of the Anzac Day game.
Watch his reaction after he kicked his goal.
Sure, a 7 year contract secures his future, but, to me, it also indicates that he wants to be a one club player.
That said, circumstances might cause that to change.
We shall see.

 

[Pistol Night]

Remember last year's rumour that we were into Lobb... we couldn't could we

Not for his asking price.

 

[Heritier 09]

The article is pretty funny really. Saying we have a war chest for 2 players that might cost a million between them, while also indicating our 2 highest paid players might leave…

Reading between the lines, we have a war chest if we free up 2 milli. Awesome.

Does anyone think we have the capacity to sign the players we’re in the market for, (say mcstay and hill) without losing Grundy or de Goey? (/Elliott, Oliver etc)

If we got Taranto as well I’d be on the look out for brown paper bags. (See cats, blues)




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[Dynamics]

Apologies to Tommy Browne, he was correct, with Noble getting sacked this morning or last night.....

Ouch. 4 coaches in 5 years. What a mess they're in.

Also, I'm dealing with the shock of Tommy Boy being right about something.

 

[manicpie]

If anyone needs reminding how good Grundy is at his best, watch the last quarter of the Anzac Day game.
Watch his reaction after he kicked his goal.
Sure, a 7 year contract secures his future, but, to me, it also indicates that he wants to be a one club player.
That said, circumstances might cause that to change.
We shall see.

Really? You do realize that he was going to Adelaide if we didn't cave in to his demands

 

[manicpie]

Tom Browne said last week according to his sources that David Noble was getting sacked this week. Where is this happening this week?
Like the comments on Grundy, just guessing, and it may happen, but not 100% sure....

lol, I think you went a bit early with this one. Noble just got sacked.

 

[Scodog10]

Really? You do realize that he was going to Adelaide if we didn't cave in to his demands

Some of it is actually deluded. The posts hanging their hat on his 1 quarter, yeah 1 because he was rubbish the rest of the match, is bizarre.

His body of work since signing the contract is average by ruck standards, poor by his standards and rubbish v the standard of the contract. Some of us appear to be in lalaland on it. At least the club has the good sense to be weighing their options on it and playing it very coolly I might add.

 

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I like Grundy and think he can recapture his best form, but our biggest problem (which hasn't been exposed too much this year compared to last year, touch wood) is a lack of depth.

Can't help but think we'll have to do something (such as trade Grundy) to get a few mid-to-low prices in similar fashion to Lipinski.

Hill, Bruhn lower level.

McStay, Taranto higher level.

We not only need more depth but need to start planning for life after Howe, Elliott and Sidebottom.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

lol, I think you went a bit early with this one. Noble just got sacked.

Your about 2 hours behind bud, l already acknowledged it this morning. Just amazed Tommy Browne got one right....

 

[AmericanMustard]

On another thread they mention Pies would probably accept a 2nd or 3rd round to dump all of his salary

Sort of makes sense to help move him on more easily?


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Hope we’ve already accepted this deal

 

[soreplums]

Really? You do realize that he was going to Adelaide if we didn't cave in to his demands

Isn’t his contract in his favour that the back end allows him to finish off his career in Adelaide at a reasonable price? Ie he gets paid significantly less in the last two years?

 

[Apex36]

I like Grundy and think he can recapture his best form, but our biggest problem (which hasn't been exposed too much this year compared to last year, touch wood) is a lack of depth.

Can't help but think we'll have to do something (such as trade Grundy) to get a few mid-to-low prices in similar fashion to Lipinski.

Hill, Bruhn lower level.

McStay, Taranto higher level.

We not only need more depth but need to start planning for life after Howe, Elliott and Sidebottom.

People were saying exactly the same thing about Cripps last year as Grundy right now. I’ve never liked the contract he’s on, but to assume he’s incapable of recapturing his best form is nonsense.

 

[No SPIN]

Some of it is actually deluded. The posts hanging their hat on his 1 quarter, yeah 1 because he was rubbish the rest of the match, is bizarre.

His body of work since signing the contract is average by ruck standards, poor by his standards and rubbish v the standard of the contract. Some of us appear to be in lalaland on it. At least the club has the good sense to be weighing their options on it and playing it very coolly I might add.

I think the delusion is the belief that McCrae etc are incapable of moulding Grundy into a vital element of our best 22.
As an AA and prototypical Ruckman, the complete disregard by his critics of his ability to adapt his game under McCrae is staggering.

The obvious question people chose to ignore is whether a return to his best form justifies the contract- the answer would of course be a resounding YES.

But what we see is that despite our huge improvement under this Coaching group, who have rejuvenated Sidey, WHE, Pendles, and forced a highly competitive game plan, critics believe they don’t have the ability to use an AA and outstanding athlete like Grundy as a weapon.

There is no logic in this argument.

 

[sr36]

People were saying exactly the same thing about Cripps last year as Grundy right now. I’ve never liked the contract he’s on, but to assume he’s incapable of recapturing his best form is nonsense.

Where I think he'll struggle to get full effectiveness back under McRae is around the ground. With Buckley slow ball movement he was an effective linking mid, but you wouldn't want him involved in run and gun chains.

 

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People were saying exactly the same thing about Cripps last year as Grundy right now. I’ve never liked the contract he’s on, but to assume he’s incapable of recapturing his best form is nonsense.

Exactly. Honestly I'd rather keep him with those hopes, but if he goes I really I hope it's mutual and, as others have said, isn't a repeat of Treloar where we get an average pick AND pay some of his salary.

If he's going I hope it's either a proper salary dump, or if we have to pay some I hope it's for a top 4 pick (say Adelaide).

 

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Where I think he'll struggle to get full effectiveness back under McRae is around the ground. With Buckley slow ball movement he was an effective linking mid, but you wouldn't want him involved in run and gun chains.

I disagree with this. His form tapered in 2021 when we reverted to a slower game style, and we're not sure how his year would look now if he wasn't injured.

His best in 2018 and some of 2019 came when we were transitioning much quicker.