List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[adammania9]

Fiorini is a name myself and others have mentioned on this trade forum for years now

But for a mid who has mostly been used on the outside in the AFL … his disposal efficiency remains poor when compared to a similar mostly outside player in Lipinski

Brayden Fiorini and Patrick Lipinski AFL Stats Comparison

Brayden Fiorini and Patrick Lipinski AFL Stats Comparison.

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That being said.. overall he is an upgrade on the brown boys so long as we don’t pay anything beyond pick 40

Taylor Adams you wouldn’t play outside ever, because he’s a bad kick of the footy. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t a good midfielder. He’s a lot better at winning a football and tackling than he is kicking. He makes a great inside midfielder as a result despite his shortcomings at using the football. Fiorini similarly can win a ball and run both ways. He’s a much better inside mid than outside. He just needs the opportunity to show it.

 

[KillerMagpies]

Rowell, Anderson, Miller ect.... Are you serious?

Rowell and Anderson are 21 year olds. Fiorini had a 3 year head start.

 

[TakingThePies]

Rowell and Anderson are 21 year olds. Fiorini had a 3 year head start.

So? Nick Daicos is 19 years old.....Trey Ruscoe had a 4 year start? terrible point.

 

[TradeDraft]

These type of rumours belong on the main board TD (in case you’ve forgotten).

I thought it was the Proper Account as has same Avatar

 

[JLC]

I think that's the problem - if the suggested incoming players were that good then the outs would be much more obvious.

With the inside mid, i want someone that good that he would go past Tay Tay (or already be better) and put Tay Tay under pressure to retain his spot. (Taranto/Mitchell fit that category). The bar needs to be raised higher than Tay Tay.

I am now getting the feeling that McStay is more to ease the workload and or overtake Checkers. But Checkers has always been the second or third forward kind of good. Stills seems a band aid solution. Can people see McStay being better than Checkers? I don't.

Would really love a match winning key forward.

The defender I am less concerned about - Leppa can train them up to fit into our structure.

With the small forwards, we need more than one. The first upgrade is Ginners. McCreery might take on a bigger role and his current role might need replacing.

I can also see WHE being offered a low ball contract and we upgrade his position should he decide to explore his options.

A couple more hypotheticals

1. Finlay Macrae and a first rounder for Naughton? Add a second rounder if need be.


2. Ollie Henry for Darcy Parish

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Darcy Parish

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(involve a third club if need be. But we get Parish.





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[Kreme Pie]

i can’t believe I’m saying this again, but I’ve got a full body condom on this time. As part of the trade we should ask for H…H… Har…… I can’t say it. We should get the bloke whose old man smashed a ball back into play from 4 rows back in the stands in the ‘79 GF.

Wayne Harmes is not his old man.

 

[Everybody Panic]

I think that's the problem - if the suggested incoming players were that good then the outs would be much more obvious.

With the inside mid, i want someone that good that he would go past Tay Tay (or already be better) and put Tay Tay under pressure to retain his spot. (Taranto/Mitchell fit that category). The bar needs to be raised higher than Tay Tay.

I am now getting the feeling that McStay is more to ease the workload and or overtake Checkers. But Checkers has always been the second or third forward kind of good. Stills seems a band aid solution. Can people see McStay being better than Checkers? I don't.

Would really love a match winning key forward.

The defender I am less concerned about - Leppa can train them up to fit into our structure.

With the small forwards, we need more than one. The first upgrade is Ginners. McCreery might take on a bigger role and his current role might need replacing.

I can also see WHE being offered a low ball contract and we upgrade his position should he decide to explore his options.

A couple more hypotheticals

1. Finlay Macrae and a first rounder for Naughton? Add a second rounder if need be.


2. Ollie Henry for Darcy Parish (involve a third club if need be. But we get Parish.





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Your post was going well, until you drifted into dreamland with your hypotheticals. This year is built on the back of unheralded players making the team better. The obsession with "big fish" trading is an insult to those rookies who have sent us from 2nd last to 4th.

 

[KillerMagpies]

So? Nick Daicos is 19 years old.....Trey Ruscoe had a 4 year start? terrible point.

Totally different type of player.
Compare Daicos to Noble, who was on the fringe and has had his best year yet. Gone to a new level.
Compare also to the Browns, who are soon to be unemployed.

 

[legendstatus]

If Frampton, McStay with Checkers, Ash, Cox, Krueger, Henry & Dean all running around next year, at least 2-3 of them will be down in Defence in 2023


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[magpies42]

If Fiorini is such a hot prospect…why can’t he can’t get a game for a middle of the road team?

Their midfield is stacked with talent, but agree. To me he’s a bit vanilla…maybe like Lipinski who don’t get me wrong has been a valuable contributor but I feel like those players aren’t too hard to find.

If he comes for nothing then ok, otherwise I’d prefer to give minutes to players with greater upside.

 

[JLC]

Your post was going well, until you drifted into dreamland with your hypotheticals. This year is built on the back of unheralded players making the team better. The obsession with "big fish" trading is an insult to those rookies who have sent us from 2nd last to 4th.

Not quite - It’s also been built on a freak young kid Nick Daicos. That’s the biggest reason along with the coaches and change in game plan.

Melbourne - May, Lever. Adressed their issue down back with top end talent.

Jeremy Cameron swaps teams last week and we win by 5 goals minimum.

Nothing wrong with (the right) big fish.

 

[unplugged]

All the Henry talk here is giving me deja vu of the Scharenberg kind. Every 2 years it seemed like 90% of the board were convinced he was going home and then he’d sign on again. Everyone losing their minds despite the fact that absolutely no genuine media is willing to report that he actually wants out…

I had forgotten about those days. And then Nathan Freeman went and moved on despite not getting onto the park!

 

[3rdMan]

Would be much more comfortable with Fiorini than Mitchell, seems the right type for us. Another Lipinski like pickup, this time a more inside mid.

For those who think Mitchell would come cheap, we'll either be paying for him in salary or trade. Won't be cheap enough either way.

 

[Gaben]

ITT: people that have never actually watched Fiorini. Spuirking his ability to win contested ball and play as an inside midfielder; genuine lol. He’s about as bullnosed as Lipinski, probably worse tbh.

Isn’t what we need at all and most likely won’t be on a list in the next few years. Slow, outside and poor disposer. Would be a boon for the VFL team as least.

 

[gouki88]

ITT: people that have never actually watched Fiorini. Spuirking his ability to win contested ball and play as an inside midfielder; genuine lol. He’s about as bullnosed as Lipinski, probably worse tbh.

Isn’t what we need at all and most likely won’t be on a list in the next few years. Slow, outside and poor disposer. Would be a boon for the VFL team as least.

Kappa-esque irrational negativity here

 

[3rdMan]

I wonder who knows more about sustained success, our staff with all their premierships, or 3rdMan on Big Footy? Let me think on that one

Not sure if you read my full post. At the end there I said I don't think the club would be stupid enough to trade for Mitchell. So yes, I do think they know enough to not make that mistake.

Football clubs make mistakes all the time though. This board, in part, is a place to discuss our opinions on moves and prospective moves. "Club knows best" is really not worth posting. I gave my reasons for why I think a Mitchell trade would raise red flags for our list management approach. Agree or disagree, all the same to me.

The reason I post about this is it's a concern for me. We've over performed this year and with that comes the risk of reaching too far for immediate success. No matter how knowledgeable our footy department is, there are competing interests and the temptation for a new crew to take us all the way as soon as possible. Still quite confident they'll stay the course and not over reach.

At this stage it's just a prospective move the club could make which I feel would be bad. If they actually do make it I'll consider it in full context and decide whether I still think it's bad. Not that it means anything, just a personal opinion.

 

[magpies42]

I think that's the problem - if the suggested incoming players were that good then the outs would be much more obvious.

With the inside mid, i want someone that good that he would go past Tay Tay (or already be better) and put Tay Tay under pressure to retain his spot. (Taranto/Mitchell fit that category). The bar needs to be raised higher than Tay Tay.

I am now getting the feeling that McStay is more to ease the workload and or overtake Checkers. But Checkers has always been the second or third forward kind of good. Stills seems a band aid solution. Can people see McStay being better than Checkers? I don't.

Would really love a match winning key forward.

The defender I am less concerned about - Leppa can train them up to fit into our structure.

With the small forwards, we need more than one. The first upgrade is Ginners. McCreery might take on a bigger role and his current role might need replacing.

I can also see WHE being offered a low ball contract and we upgrade his position should he decide to explore his options.

A couple more hypotheticals

1. Finlay Macrae and a first rounder for Naughton? Add a second rounder if need be.


2. Ollie Henry for Darcy Parish (involve a third club if need be. But we get Parish.





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I agree key forwards are as important as ever and we need a gun. Not McStay.

Will be interesting to see what happens to Macrae in the off-season, I feel like he has a great amount of potential it just doesn’t show consistently enough even in the VFL.

No chance you get Parish for any price.

Mitchell is the player we should take until our your stocks kick in Macrae, McInnes, Tyler Brown…

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Not sure if you read my full post. At the end there I said I don't think the club would be stupid enough to trade for Mitchell. So yes, I do think they know enough to not make that mistake.

Football clubs make mistakes all the time though. This board, in part, is a place to discuss our opinions on moves and prospective moves. "Club knows best" is really not worth posting. I gave my reasons for why I think a Mitchell trade would raise red flags for our list management approach. Agree or disagree, all the same to me.

The reason I post about this is it's a concern for me. We've over performed this year and with that comes the risk of reaching too far for immediate success. No matter how knowledgeable our footy department is, there are competing interests and the temptation for a new crew to take us all the way as soon as possible. Still quite confident they'll stay the course and not over reach.

At this stage it's just a prospective move the club could make which I feel would be bad. If they actually do make it I'll consider it in full context and decide whether I still think it's bad. Not that it means anything, just a personal opinion.

You're right about this being a place to discuss opinions. 'Club knows best' posts are safe and predictable, though you'd hope the club does know best. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with you, but your case is well stated. If we can't get Taranto and see too many negatives in other player options, and believe a window to the ultimate prize is at least ajar, Mitchell is going to be a very tempting target. Whether it's the right or wrong decision is going to be determined by the team's performance and ladder position. Ultimately success is all that matters.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

I'm just glad our club has finally learned its lesson about massively overpaying mediocre players by bringing in McStay until the new King Charles' Golden Jubilee on $123 million in blood diamonds and a couple of Faberge eggs.

Does anyone know if Levi Casboult

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Levi Casboult

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might consider a move to us if we could convince the Smithsonian to give us the Hope Diamond to secure him?

 

[domus]

I agree key forwards are as important as ever and we need a gun. Not McStay.

Will be interesting to see what happens to Macrae in the off-season, I feel like he has a great amount of potential it just doesn’t show consistently enough even in the VFL.

No chance you get Parish for any price.

Mitchell is the player we should take until our your stocks kick in Macrae, McInnes, Tyler Brown…

Every club needs a gun or two. Do you know how we can get one?

 

[magpies42]

Every club needs a gun or two. Do you know how we can get one?

We have more than two already, our key forward stocks are the issue.

Ultimately it’s salary cap, clear enough space to snag a monster key forward as a free agent.

Don’t know why we didn’t want Ben Brown when he was going for nothing, same with 2m Peter…I was keen on Casboult also as a stop gap a few years ago.

 

[Apex36]

We have more than two already, our key forward stocks are the issue.

Ultimately it’s salary cap, clear enough space to snag a monster key forward as a free agent.

Don’t know why we didn’t want Ben Brown when he was going for nothing, same with 2m Peter…I was keen on Casboult also as a stop gap a few years ago.

Because they were available the same year that our cap blew up and we had 0 space to fit them in

 

[jimmy35]

Yes he is, he fathered him from the third row of the MCG

No that was us he ****ed from there.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Would be much more comfortable with Fiorini than Mitchell, seems the right type for us. Another Lipinski like pickup, this time a more inside mid.

For those who think Mitchell would come cheap, we'll either be paying for him in salary or trade. Won't be cheap enough either way.

Fiorini has had an interesting career so far. Seven years in the system averages 11 games a year l feel injury has probably ruined a couple of his years. In 2016 he was placed on the Suns LTI, but in that year he played two games average of 25 disposals a game. A good year in 2019 played 21 matches, averaged 25 disposals a game, but then in 2020 just 5 games, then just 10 games in 2021 but averaged 24 disposals a game, and 14 games this year, average 17 disposals a game.
Seems like injury/opportunity has made his career a roller coaster, because he has shown he can play at the level, but can't get in a full season at AFL level, despite having some decent numbers.
Just on Tom Mitchell, just reading the other day the article by Gary Buckenara, doing analysis of Hawthorn's list. He had the Hawks with 2 A graders, with Mitchell being one of them....
Also l am liking our moneyball approach to our trading this year. I am imagining our list management team, sitting in a room out the back, with a white board with a list of names on it, some top A grade talent, along with your B to C grade talent, and Fly McRae just reeling off names from the B and C grade column, with his assistant on their laptop, with a spreadsheet open, reeling off the special attributes the cheaper "moneyball" buys can bring to the team, ala Billy Beane....

 

[jonbe54]

Not quite - It’s also been built on a freak young kid Nick Daicos. That’s the biggest reason along with the coaches and change in game plan.

Melbourne - May, Lever. Adressed their issue down back with top end talent.

Jeremy Cameron swaps teams last week and we win by 5 goals minimum.

Nothing wrong with (the right) big fish.

The Dees "finally" addressed their issues tanking for picks for many years.