List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[TradeDraft]

My son’s friend knows a management crew linked with Grundy…. Well progressed talks with Melbourne AND GEELONG have occurred.
Don’t rule out Geelong, where Grundy is a MUCH better fit.
If the Cats had cash for Hopper, they have cash for Grundy.
I don’t buy this, “Grundy is studying. He needs to stay in Melbourne.”
It’s BS. My son has completed his Commerce degree from his bedroom on a computer.
Cats/Dees… it’s 50/50.

Wright hates the Contract Grundy is on

 

[TradeDraft]

Van Rooyan won't be traded nor part of any discussions.

Wiedlman only 1 that Might be

 

[Doc1763]

Wiedlman only 1 that Might be

I'd rather have a 7th round draft pick

 

[Kings_Gambit]

After seeing McStay in the finals I admit I was wrong about him. Not a huge surprise that Graeme Wright knows better than me.

 

[Everybody Panic]

Really? We’ve got the contract this year and we’re headed for a PF next weekend. How does that equate to a team in a weak position?

I didn't think it was that hard. If we want to get rid of Grundy (I believe we do), his contract means he can say yes or no to anything. He can say Melbourne or bust. He can say I'm staying no matter what. Weak positioning at a negotiating table.

 

[Everybody Panic]

Interesting. Where exactly did Grundy rank in the ruck ranks in 2019-2021?

It's 2022 and he was average to ok before being injured. 2021 he was average. 2020 cracks were showing however COVID wrecking everything at that point. 2019 he was elite.

 

[MyManLynch]

Wiedlman only 1 that Might be

Yes, I’m sure they would offer him to us.
Age profile good (25).
But 59 games in 7 years for 62 goals not that impressive.
Doesn‘t hold enough marks.
Another Schache…

 

[jamieb1983]

Seriously? I literally just laid it out for you.

No they won’t. You don’t give away contracted first round prospects that are playing in an area of need, as steak knives in a deal. It’s basic list management.

Seems like you know everything.
Maybe you should be the list manager?

 

[soreplums]

How do you know it was $200k?

Just what I‘be heard.

Sounds about right though. 200k a year works out to be about 1mill over he contract. Probably just enough to consider looking out. Doubt he would bother looking out if it was half of that amount

 

[Apex36]

Seems like you know everything.
Maybe you should be the list manager?

This doesn’t even make sense. I’m not arguing that JVR wouldn’t be a good target. I’m just stating the obvious that he’s not acquirable. Put yourself in Melbournes shoes. Would you give up a first round key forward in a trade for a ruckman, when you are in desperate need of a key forward, and already have the best ruck in the comp on your list?

 

[jamieb1983]

Yes i would if it means gaining grubdy.
Grubdy is a proven player jvr is not proven yet.
If they are desperate for grubdy then they need to stump up ir he stays

 

[Masked Magician]

Genuinely infuriating that people still don't understand that a rise in the salary cap no longer means players $$ stays the same.

Almost all players above the AVE salary have a % of the cap as their deal... or in other terms if the Cap goes up 5% then their deal also goes up 5% with it!.

 

[jmac70]

Yes i would if it means gaining grubdy.
Grubdy is a proven player jvr is not proven yet.
If they are desperate for grubdy then they need to stump up ir he stays

Grubdy is a bit of a grub.

 

[jonbe54]

Wright hates the Contract Grundy is on

He has every reason to TD - doesn't matter who's fault it is it remains an anchor around our necks list management wise for the next 5 years unless something changes.

 

[jonbe54]

Seems like you know everything.
Maybe you should be the list manager?

God no . . .

 

[gouki88]

Imagine if we met McStay in the grannie

How much extra $ per year do we offer him to give Lachie Neale some dodgy shrimp

 

[nahnah]

How much extra $ per year do we offer him to give Lachie Neale some dodgy shrimp

Team dinner at McStay’s new Melbourne home the night before

 

[ToonAussie]

Sam Edmund saying that Mitchell wants to get to Collingwood.

So did his Dad and that didn't end well!

 

[adammania9]

You said it! "He made hawthorn good not hawthorn made him good".

He was not strong for a kpp which they tried to turn him into and then had to get their rucks to try rest forward to try fill the void and gelp roughy. He was great as a 3rd banana.

He was a good player, but he is overstated by some pie fans especially, who for some unknown reason rate him well above his station.

And rubbish Hawks would manufacture those goals in 13 with or without him.

You and some others talk him up like he's ablett snr.
Any time a fwd is mentioned "oooh he'd the next Gunston", like he was some user dominant fwd.
He had 4 very good seasons fwd the rest were mediocre.

That’s a serious misinterpretation on your behalf. Nick Daicos has made Collingwood good. He doesn’t carry Collingwood.

Nothing wrong with being a 3rd banana when you’re as good as Gunston was. We’d love Henry or Johnson to become 75% of the player.

He played plenty more than 4 good seasons. He is rightly rated as one of the best forwards of the 2010’s

 

[Doc1763]

So did his Dad and that didn't end well!

No, he didnt. he wanted to go to Carlton, but we had an earlier pick and selected him even though we knew he didnt want to come.

 

[sr36]

I didn't think it was that hard. If we want to get rid of Grundy (I believe we do), his contract means he can say yes or no to anything. He can say Melbourne or bust. He can say I'm staying no matter what. Weak positioning at a negotiating table.

It's a weak position regarding Grundy, but not weak in terms of trading with another club - that comes down to how much they want him and how keen we are to get his contract, or a substantial amount of it, off the books.

Any position of weakness depends on how we rate Grundy relative to his contract. It's fair to assume that we rate Grundy below the value of hsi contract, but how far below is unknown.

 

[No SPIN]

I didn't think it was that hard. If we want to get rid of Grundy (I believe we do), his contract means he can say yes or no to anything. He can say Melbourne or bust. He can say I'm staying no matter what. Weak positioning at a negotiating table.

Equally the club could say to Grundy, no, you’re staying because offers are not good enough- who has the strength in those circumstances?

 

[Albert Parker]

Tomahawk is "apparently" getting paid $300,000. maybe we could offer him a $72,000 pay rise and put him on the average salary.

I think the Herald Sun estimate of the top 100 paid players had him at $550-650k.
Still enormous value, but not quite the number you're suggesting.

Still, I think it puts perspective on McStay's value. We shouldn't be offering him much more than $500k, even if he does require shifting from a competitive club. If he wants to return to Vic and also be at a competitive club, he can sign for similar to what Brisbane are offering. We shouldn't be paying him overs as a role player.

 

[Apex36]

Yes i would if it means gaining grubdy.
Grubdy is a proven player jvr is not proven yet.
If they are desperate for grubdy then they need to stump up ir he stays

You’d be a poor list manager then.

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

Mitchell would be 1, still need another clearance specialist this off-season.