List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[adammania9]

The Hawks trade period last year of Chol, D'Ambrosio and Ginnivan for about a future second round pick is stupidly good and has changed the club's fortunes. You'd kill to have a period like that

 

[swoop42]

The Hawks trade period last year of Chol, D'Ambrosio and Ginnivan for about a future second round pick is stupidly good and has changed the club's fortunes. You'd kill to have a period like that

Unless they win the flag from here it's not as good as adding a Norm Smith medalist, a former Brownlow medalist, a key forward who contributed matching winning goals in 2 finals and a blue collar KPP who filled holes all across the ground during the season.

 

[adammania9]

Unless they win the flag from here it's not as good as adding a Norm Smith medalist, a former Brownlow medalist, a key forward who contributed matching winning goals in 2 finals and a blue collar KPP who filled holes all across the ground during the season.

Fair response

 

[NMBB]

If it’s a formula why haven’t other teams adopted it?

It's not a recipe like chicken curry or spaghetti bolognese that can be fairly easily copied - note some people can't even copy a recipe..

Football clubs are human systems with all their human variables...

Some clubs manage to have sustained periods of success because they get more right than wrong in all the factors that go to constitute sporting success in a competitive environment

 

[pieman123]

The Hawks trade period last year of Chol, D'Ambrosio and Ginnivan for about a future second round pick is stupidly good and has changed the club's fortunes. You'd kill to have a period like that

That would be a future first and probably 2 second rounders for us, clubs always fleece us.

 

[No SPIN]

It's not a recipe like chicken curry or spaghetti bolognese that can be fairly easily copied - note some people can't even copy a recipe..

Football clubs are human systems with all their human variables...

Some clubs manage to have sustained periods of success because they get more right than wrong in all the factors that go to constitute sporting success in a competitive environment

But it’s not reproducible and just luck IMO.
Think of all the variables that impact success.
-Coach
Assistants
List managers
Recruiting
On field talent
Player development
Game plan
High performance and fitness management
Rehab and injury management.

Failure in a few areas and success is compromised.
These areas were well managed by us since the appointment of Fly, giving us a PF and Flag. Then unforeseen injuries completely derailed 2023.

I don’t agree that Hawks performance since in the last 50 years is an example of sustained success - it’s more periodic success, when they got most of the above variables right.

 

[CasuallyDressed]

The Hawks trade period last year of Chol, D'Ambrosio and Ginnivan for about a future second round pick is stupidly good and has changed the club's fortunes. You'd kill to have a period like that

I was mad jealous that they got Chol the way they did.

 

[NMBB]

But it’s not reproducible and just luck IMO.
Think of all the variables that impact success.
-Coach
Assistants
List managers
Recruiting
On field talent
Player development
Game plan
High performance and fitness management
Rehab and injury management.

Failure in any a few areas and success is compromised.
These areas were well managed by us since the appointment of Fly, giving us a PF and Flag. Then unforeseen injuries completely derailed 2023.

I don’t agree that Hawks performance since in the last 50 years is an example of sustained success - it’s more periodic success, when they got most of the above variable right.

Luck? To quote Gary Player "the harder I work the luckier I get"

 

[Robroy22]

It's not a recipe like chicken curry or spaghetti bolognese that can be fairly easily copied - note some people can't even copy a recipe..

Football clubs are human systems with all their human variables...

Some clubs manage to have sustained periods of success because they get more right than wrong in all the factors that go to constitute sporting success in a competitive environment

I can tell you from the 50's Demons sides to Tommy Hafey's Tigers in the 60's and 70's, the Hawks in the 80's and Brissy in the early 2000's, the Hawks and Cats and even the latest Richmond trio sides that had sustained success also had uncanny luck with injuries to key players.

We've never been that lucky, in 1991 half the side missed the preseason by celebrating too much and then Millane died the year later. In 2011 we lost 2 players in preseason to knee injuries, and this year well the less said about injuries the better. Trust us to win a flag before the concussion retirement scheme comes into play.

To have sustained success and win b2b you've got to be incredibly lucky with your key players not getting injured.

 

[Robroy22]

Luck? To quote Gary Player "the harder I work the luckier I get"

And the hardest working player we've ever seen (Buckley) never got the end result.
Whilst Ginni and Frampton did...guess they worked harder eh???

 

[sideswipe]

Luck? To quote Gary Player "the harder I work the luckier I get"

Thomas Jefferson.

Player stole it. Gary also claims the record for having shot his age and having travelled more miles in a plane more than anyone in the world. International pilots might dispute the latter.

 

[Mick F]

I doubt that Hawthorn's success from the late 1970s was merely a coincidence and good luck

Gippsland zone.

 

[NMBB]

Thomas Jefferson.

Player stole it. Gary also claims the record for having shot his age and having travelled more miles in a plane more than anyone in the world. International pilots might dispute the latter.

Thanks for the correction

 

[NMBB]

I can tell you from the 50's Demons sides to Tommy Hafey's Tigers in the 60's and 70's, the Hawks in the 80's and Brissy in the early 2000's, the Hawks and Cats and even the latest Richmond trio sides that had sustained success also had uncanny luck with injuries to key players.

We've never been that lucky, in 1991 half the side missed the preseason by celebrating too much and then Millane died the year later. In 2011 we lost 2 players in preseason to knee injuries, and this year well the less said about injuries the better. Trust us to win a flag before the concussion retirement scheme comes into play.

To have sustained success and win b2b you've got to be incredibly lucky with your key players not getting injured.

Agree we were lucky with injury in 2010 - can't believe that Hawthorn's sustained success was solely due to luck

 

[sideswipe]

Thanks for the correction

Its more about bringing down Gary Player.

 

[Mick F]

Agree we were lucky with injury in 2010 - can't believe that Hawthorn's sustained success was solely due to luck

One year their seconds had Knights, Buckenara, Eade, Curran and Malaxos in it GF day. Collingwood never had that depth.

 

[NMBB]

One year their seconds had Knights, Buckenara, Eade, Curran and Malaxos in it GF day. Collingwood never had that depth.

If you keep ascribing someone else's success to luck you will never succeed yourself

 

[MoreMoore]

Petracca anyone?

 

[davywap]

I've heard the Petracca word from a decent source also.

 

[Robroy22]

Agree we were lucky with injury in 2010 - can't believe that Hawthorn's sustained success was solely due to luck

They kept their best players on the field. Matthews, Brereton, Ayres, Mew, Dunstall didn't miss many finals due to injury did they? And the 2013-15 team had Cyril, Buddy or Roughie (or both), Mitchell, Hodge and Lewis....where were the injuries till Buddy left and Rough got sick?

 

[SchuPie]

I’d give this year’s first and next year’s for Cadman

However, I think we have time now to develop KPP so there might be more value in draft some young KPP for both ends if it were cheaper

 

[Kappa]

I've heard the Petracca word from a decent source also.

Tom Morris?

 

[soreplums]

It could be Chris Judd all over again

 

[jmac70]

Go and read what I posted about Trac and family after the Dees vs Pies game.

Massive chance.

I really doubt that.

 

[No SPIN]

If you keep ascribing someone else's success to luck you will never succeed yourself

Haw suffered a 17 year flag drought between 1991 and 2008.
How could this possibly have happened if, as you believe, they have a strategy for success that has nothing to do with luck.