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Being from an elite endurance background you would think Bill would take them in the opposite direction, he has also said numerous times there would be a higher focus on using footys this preseason.
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Being from an elite endurance background you would think Bill would take them in the opposite direction, he has also said numerous times there would be a higher focus on using footys this preseason.
harry1990
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Does anyone else have concerns about to many similar type players in our team
like :
Blair
Kennedy
Adams
Ball
Side bottom
Elliot
Clark
Maybe add
Sinclair
Just seems like a lot of the same types of players in 1 team.
Not saying there no good, just all fairly similar types
Could possibly throw in a few more. Seem to remember this
happening last year too.
Anyone else concerned about this or not ???
like :
Blair
Kennedy
Adams
Ball
Side bottom
Elliot
Clark
Maybe add
Sinclair
Just seems like a lot of the same types of players in 1 team.
Not saying there no good, just all fairly similar types
Could possibly throw in a few more. Seem to remember this
happening last year too.
Anyone else concerned about this or not ???
Wooljay
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Only ones I see as being similar on that list is Blair, Kennedy and Elliot. Adams is a gutsy inside mid who will in time replace Ball, Sidebottom is a flashy half forward/outside mid, Sinclair is a small defender (let's be honest that was his best position) and Clarke is a half-back flanker. Only thing they have in common is they're around the 170-185cm mark.
So nah, doesn't worry me!
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I have heard a few people talk about this and I don't really see a problem. In terms of physical attributes then yes, they are similar, but they all play different roles within the team. If you are worried about them being smaller, remember that we have bigger players like Pendles, Caff, Swan, Golsack and Lumumba that all run through the middle at times as well, not to mention some of our newer draftees and guys like Karnezis.
The only two that have a similar role are Adams and Ball. Ball is a gun insider who is getting on and Adams is his apprentice, so we need them in.
Steele is a versatile player with elite endurance that can play inside, outside, up forward and even a little off the half back line. He is a seriously underrated player on this board also.
Elliott has shown the ability to be a serious forward threat for a little guy, I think he'll need to work on his midfield game though to survive in modern AFL.
Blair is all heart and effort and does pretty much any job you give him 7/10 every time. But he is a more limited player skills wise and I can see him struggling to keep his spot as our draftees get better/deliver on their potential.
Sinclair and Kennedy are project players and we haven't really seen what they'll be able to do yet.
Clarke is an endurance player with good kicking skills but lacks game awareness and one on one skills. I think he'll be gone by the end of the year.
Our lack of height will be a talking point at some time during the season IMO. Not so much key position but what's around them.
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Nothing wrong with a few Collingwood six footers.
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Kennedy will begin to push Blair out of the team soon, ditto Adams and Ball (hopefully not too soon on Ball though). I love Blair and Ball, but Blair has a limited skillset and Ball is getting on in years.
Kennedy as a tough forward pocket badger with scope to play minutes contesting the hard ball is an improvement on Blair. I really rate Kennedy, looks like he could fit in with 1D but he is tough as nails, quick and can rack up the ball at VFL level at least. Supposedly elite kick too and I think that will come in time when he adjusts better to the speed of AFL.
Adams is every bit as dedicated and tough as Ball.
Sidebottom, Clarke, Sinclair and Elliott aren't really similar players, not to mention Clarke and Sinclair are only about a 50% chance of making it.
I think the victims of vanilla/sameness are Martin, Dwyer and possibly Fasolo. They are all good enough for AFL, but you wouldn't want more than one of them in the team at the same time as fwd/mids.
Kennedy as a tough forward pocket badger with scope to play minutes contesting the hard ball is an improvement on Blair. I really rate Kennedy, looks like he could fit in with 1D but he is tough as nails, quick and can rack up the ball at VFL level at least. Supposedly elite kick too and I think that will come in time when he adjusts better to the speed of AFL.
Adams is every bit as dedicated and tough as Ball.
Sidebottom, Clarke, Sinclair and Elliott aren't really similar players, not to mention Clarke and Sinclair are only about a 50% chance of making it.
I think the victims of vanilla/sameness are Martin, Dwyer and possibly Fasolo. They are all good enough for AFL, but you wouldn't want more than one of them in the team at the same time as fwd/mids.
That was initially my thought too- especially given the interchange cap. Maybe the focus has been on stripping back the bulk in favour of strength and endurance. The players look bigger without the bulkiness if that makes sense
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I think the word you are looking for is more toned
Yep.... Too many late nights has thrown me.
Maxwell will be in the side for a majority of the season, its just going to happen so i am going to pick him anyway.
B: A.Toovey, N.Brown, N.Maxwell
HB: M.Williams, L.Keefe, P.Seedsman
C: S.Sidebottom, S.Pendlebury, H.Lumumba
HF: D.Beams, T.Cloke, T.Adams
F: J.Elliott, B.Reid, J.White
R: B.Grundy, L.Ball, D.Swan
I: A.Fasolo, B.Macaffer, C.Young
S: J.Thomas
EMG: Blair, Goldsack, Dwyer, Scharenberg, Armstrong, Lynch,
I think that is a pretty well balanced side... The beauty of our list is that due to 2 years of injuries we have gotten alot of games into some of these boys like; Sinclair, Williams, Thomas, Blair and Elliott so its created great depth.
Blair, Goldsack and Dwyer are stiff to miss out, but that just shows that even with a few injuries we can replace them with quality ready made bodies and players.
If you factor in that one of Scharenberg or Freeman could really impact at AFL level next season it just further adds to a quality lineup, as both have the capacity to play big roles.
I like having Adams as a half forward because to me he is just a more polished version of blair, in that he will lay the tackles, win the footy and use it very well.
Big Season this coming up.
B: A.Toovey, N.Brown, N.Maxwell
HB: M.Williams, L.Keefe, P.Seedsman
C: S.Sidebottom, S.Pendlebury, H.Lumumba
HF: D.Beams, T.Cloke, T.Adams
F: J.Elliott, B.Reid, J.White
R: B.Grundy, L.Ball, D.Swan
I: A.Fasolo, B.Macaffer, C.Young
S: J.Thomas
EMG: Blair, Goldsack, Dwyer, Scharenberg, Armstrong, Lynch,
I think that is a pretty well balanced side... The beauty of our list is that due to 2 years of injuries we have gotten alot of games into some of these boys like; Sinclair, Williams, Thomas, Blair and Elliott so its created great depth.
Blair, Goldsack and Dwyer are stiff to miss out, but that just shows that even with a few injuries we can replace them with quality ready made bodies and players.
If you factor in that one of Scharenberg or Freeman could really impact at AFL level next season it just further adds to a quality lineup, as both have the capacity to play big roles.
I like having Adams as a half forward because to me he is just a more polished version of blair, in that he will lay the tackles, win the footy and use it very well.
Big Season this coming up.
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I would have Adams on the bench and Fasolo in his place because he is a current G-Unit
This post probably makes no sense because Adams is also a G-Unit. I just wanted to call them Units and show a muscly Fasolo
And also a muscly Taylor Adams.. Our team is full of G-Units
Will Fasolo be ready for round 1? I heard he's no where near it yet.I would have Adams on the bench and Fasolo in his place because he is a current G-Unit
This post probably makes no sense because Adams is also a G-Unit. I just wanted to call them Units and show a muscly Fasolo
And also a muscly Taylor Adams.. Our team is full of G-Units
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From what I've seen in training pics and read in training descriptions, I interpret that the lads are being trained for upper body strength, but with lower body (running) endurance.
Exhibit A: Luke Ball's massive shoulders v toned, slim legs.
Exhibit B: Iceman looking like a middle-weight boxer ready to run a marathon.
Anyone who has done weights (or short distance competitive running) knows that the legs and chest are the easiest muscles to bulk up. Big upper bodies with slim, toned glutes/hams/quads indicates Bill is honing his knives to be sharpest exactly where they need it.
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I agree, I guarantee this conversation will grow momentum if we are not performing....
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Ecxcept with Seedsman in doubt for round 1 i think Lumumba or Young will play off a HBF and the other off a wing whichever way it ends up until he is fit to come into the side. I think that then opens a spot up for Kennedy to start on the bench.
Im surprised he isnt mentioned.
Also unsure if Fasolo will be right to go from the start but youd think hes best 22 when right.
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Lack of height will just be a media thing. All the grand final i heard people crap on about how the hawk mids are going to look up and be scared of freo's huge mids. Who ended up winning?
I have a rolling top 22 for round 1 which seems to change by the week. This week I've dropped out Seedsman. This is just my r1 side...not necessarily the best 22.
Williams, Brown, Armstrong
Toovey, Keefe, Maxwell
Lumumba, Swan, Young
Fasolo, White, Beams
Elliott, Cloke, Reid
Grundy, Pendlebury, Ball
I: Sidebottom, Blair, Macaffer, Josh Thomas
E: Goldsack, Kennedy, Broomhead.
I must say that after the intra club match, Ben Kennedy and Broomeah may find their way in shortly. Armstrong only gets in there as we need a running back flanker, but we may opt to go with Young down there to bring in Kennedy.
Williams, Brown, Armstrong
Toovey, Keefe, Maxwell
Lumumba, Swan, Young
Fasolo, White, Beams
Elliott, Cloke, Reid
Grundy, Pendlebury, Ball
I: Sidebottom, Blair, Macaffer, Josh Thomas
E: Goldsack, Kennedy, Broomhead.
I must say that after the intra club match, Ben Kennedy and Broomeah may find their way in shortly. Armstrong only gets in there as we need a running back flanker, but we may opt to go with Young down there to bring in Kennedy.
jmac70
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Yeah I do. He wasn't fantastic at intra-club, but he played the majority of the game from what I saw and seemed to be running on top of the ground. Obviously a fair bit of rust to blow off.
The NAB CHallenge would say more obviously. He is one I am really excited to see. I don't think he'll play all the games, or even full games just yet in the NAB Challenge, but seems to be tracking alright for round 1.
I don't necessarily think he has earnt his spot, but I think he is very important for us.
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I think lack of height gets pushed around when Sydney won because they had a very tall midfield. Then strength got pushed around because of Geelong. While I think height has an impact I don't think having all tall midfielders is the key
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Dave why isnt Adams in? Is he injured or you just dont rate him in for round one?
Toovey Brown Maxwell
Williams Reid Lumumba
Young Ball Sidebottom
Fasolo Cloke Beams
Elliott White Adams
Grundy Pendlebury Swan
I Keeffe J.Thomas Macaffer sub Blair
emerg - Martin Goldy Kennedy Dwyer
Think i'll be struggling to settle on a best 22 for likely 5-6 weeks, would love to see Freeman and Scharenburg play for 8 games or so - sure they'll get their opportunities.
Wow how did I miss Adams.
Take Josh Thomas out and put in Adams.
Otherewise take out Armstrong and put Young across half back. Then J.T gets into the team.
Also, I'd like to see Freeman break in...but as he didn't play the intra club I have nothing to base his form on. Hopefully after the NAB CHallenge we see the likes of Kennedy, Broomhead and Freeman in there. Also reckon Langdon is a real smokie
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I think lack of height is only really relevant when one Key Forward is 188cm and the other is 192cm and when your kicking long down the line the oposition out marks you.
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I think people are over exaggerating Adams inside hard midfielder image, he's not as hard at the ball as some are going on about and still well behind L.Ball in that regards. Judging off last year I would say Williams, blair maybe even Thomas went harder at it then what Adams did at GWS.
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