jmac70
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How do you define a competitive team? We just made our 8th straight finals series and during that run have made 5 prelims, won a flag and finished runner up. Is that competitive?
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How do you define a competitive team? We just made our 8th straight finals series and during that run have made 5 prelims, won a flag and finished runner up. Is that competitive?
Certainly,but im talking about building to potentially winning more than one flag over a comparable period to the previous incumbents
jmac70
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So you meant dominant rather than competitive?
ongoing increasing competiveness to dominance.
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Sounds wonderful. What are we going to do about GC and GWS?
Raid them !
Paul Puopolo, Brad Sewell, Liam Shiels, and a few of their KPPs like Hale and Bailey are pretty average field kicks. From their last premiership team, you could add Bateman, Gilham, Brown and Ladson to that list, as well as blokes like Renouf, Campbell etc. But all these players fill a vital need. Kicking skills are important, no doubt, but it's unrealistic to expect every player on your list to be elite. Even the best in the league can't manage a 100% strike rate.
That's defeatist talk, lets aim for 110%!
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Good to Hear but Hope he does not do too much like last pre-season. He got a Stress Fracture in the Back. We don't want that to Happen Again
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If he gets injured training hard so be it.
At least you know with Grundy he is willing to work hard to improve his game.
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Yeah I glad he does but Don't want to go over board.
Also show how Commited he is too Collingwood
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I think the meaning of culture as applied to a footy club and its effect on the team members and especially the opposition is largely misunderstood.
IMHO having a good culture isn't about having unblemished darlings playing for and working at the club, its about having a culture of solidarity and an intense, burning desire to NOT accept mediocrity at any level for any reason whatsoever.
The best example I can think of to illustrate the power of such a culture is 'the machine', our fabled 4pete warriors of the late '20's and '30's. These guys weren't the greatest champions going round skillwise for the most part but they were a champion TEAM, cut one and they all bled - all the way down to the bootstudder and the poorest kid in the outer.
'The machine' were feared and respected as the tightest and most intimidating unit of its era and for that matter all eras. No team has had such an impact on the competition - ever. But they didn't do it all by themselves, in those days tribalism ruled and I have often been regaled by older people (older than me, which is saying something) about how they feared the trip to Victoria Park and how they sat huddled together in the outer whilst the Collingwood faithful roared and screamed for blood.
Footy is - or SHOULD BE - about passion for the team.
Get rid of the half-hearted and big-headed wanna be's.
Draft in kids and adults who BURN to play for the guernsey and the flags will come.
THAT is what builds a strong 'culture'.
IMHO having a good culture isn't about having unblemished darlings playing for and working at the club, its about having a culture of solidarity and an intense, burning desire to NOT accept mediocrity at any level for any reason whatsoever.
The best example I can think of to illustrate the power of such a culture is 'the machine', our fabled 4pete warriors of the late '20's and '30's. These guys weren't the greatest champions going round skillwise for the most part but they were a champion TEAM, cut one and they all bled - all the way down to the bootstudder and the poorest kid in the outer.
'The machine' were feared and respected as the tightest and most intimidating unit of its era and for that matter all eras. No team has had such an impact on the competition - ever. But they didn't do it all by themselves, in those days tribalism ruled and I have often been regaled by older people (older than me, which is saying something) about how they feared the trip to Victoria Park and how they sat huddled together in the outer whilst the Collingwood faithful roared and screamed for blood.
Footy is - or SHOULD BE - about passion for the team.
Get rid of the half-hearted and big-headed wanna be's.
Draft in kids and adults who BURN to play for the guernsey and the flags will come.
THAT is what builds a strong 'culture'.
Reckon the biggest changes we needed from last year was an increased work ethic and players who feared for their spots on a week to week basis. That wasn't really happening with the side last year and we have made changes. The manic pressure will occur weekly when we have competition for spots and a 'culture' that, as was said above, doesn't accept anything below that level
Exactly, they are ''average'' but not poor. I'm not looking at their 08 side from 5 years ago.
You can just see the difference in kicking skills when comparing Hawks to Pies. Hawks usually keep it low, hard & seem confident. Our kicking is usually indecisive & usually has plenty of 'air time', always giving opposition a chance at the contest. IMO, we need plenty more 'elite' kickers. I include Swanny on our list of poor kickers too, but he's just lucky he gets 100 possessions a game!!
One flag was all we achieved. All the other stats & where we finished up don't matter.
One flag, with a relatively young 'up & coming' team. After beating Geelong in that 2010 prelim, it was perceived that we had knocked them off their perch, as we marched on to create a new dynasty.
Since the end of 2011, we've gone backwards. So much for that dynasty.
Sorry, I may have gone a bit off topic, I completely overlooked your original question. lol
''Is that competitive?".....yes, it sure was.
Lol you apparently don't understand the mechanisms of coaching and tactics at AFL level nowadays.
"The press" was already an established tactic when we refined it and turned it into a flag winning strategy but it was always a limited and high risk one. As soon as the opposition rated it the gig was up.
As for only winning 1 flag - ask Mick about that - we were on track and firing on all cylinders in '11 before he decided to act like a spoiled brat on the footy show and that was the end of that.
That night that MM went on the footy show and displayed his selfish attitude, how significant does it look now. It was clear that MM didn't embrace the notion of team work through player driven standards and his directive style has significant limitations.
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Why did you bring this up when I never talked about tactics?
As I said, regardless of what happened & what ''tactics & mechanisms'' were used, we only achieved one flag.
Speaking of tactics, I was never a fan of ''the press'', as I knew it left us vulnerable down back.
Hawthorn used a similar tactic, but instead, they utilized zones & set up so they had more numbers around the contests more often than not. Their field kicking wasn't bad either.
IMO, a coach, at AFL level, should not hang the hopes of his team's success on one particular game plan. They should be professional & experienced enough to change up their game if needed. But I guess, you need a VERY, VERY good team to accomplish this.
But hey, I'm just a spectator, so I'm calling it how I see it. So unless you've had AFL level experience, it's all opinion based my friend
Never said it was other than opinion - mine and yours. I've been round the track a few times and seen 39 seasons to base mine on - it sort of evens out your expectations.
What about you?
39 seasons? good effort. I haven't quite reached that number yet. My ''unofficial expert opinions'' are based on 30 seasons of AFL spectating & a few coaching roles with the Juniors. haha
Enjoy the weekend!!
jmac70
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We will be celebrating your 40th long and hard.
Defs jmac, deep into the nite and all Sunday
jmac70
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Defs jmac, deep into the nite and all Sunday
Stuff it - we will just take the rest of the week off.
Shit yeah, blood oath!!
Ya know the older supporters without looking, coz they party harder when we win one than the young uns coz we suffered longer
I was 36 years old before I saw a premiership flag fly over dear old Vic Park and had been supporting the Pies for over a quarter of a century
No wonder most of the Sunday after is a bit fuzzy to this day
