Opinion Commentary & Media VII

[Gasometer]

They are going hard. We are in a particularly vulnerable state right now and they are kicking the carcass.

It’s humiliating for us supporters

Total helplessness

 

[Zondor]

How’s the revisionist bullshit from Caro, “* looked at Clarkson, went for Brad”. FFS these clowns can say anything.

Yeah Caro is a ****head. :stern look

 

[archereleven]

I absolutely agree with David King 3:06

We are so sick to death of the excuses and the same bullshit every week. Effort and intent should be non-negotiable

We haven’t seen anything but red flags

It's where I'm at, too.

There seems to be zero minimum standards with effort and intensity, and the whole group looks absolutely lost.

Our game plan is dreadful, as is team selection at this point in time.

2 goals in a row is enough for the whole group to drop its bundle and cower into a corner.

**** me it's a hard watch.

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[Cool Kangas]

I don’t and can’t watch any footy media anymore. It’s too upsetting. I don’t think I’ve ever been teary at a footy game but yesterday I was. It just felt so hollow. I’ve never ever felt like that about north or footy. I just sat there staring in disbelief of what was unfolding.

I never thought I’d see the day where I genuinely believe my footy team won’t win a game in an entire season. There’s zero expectation/anticipation of a win. It’s eerily weird.

You know I get that there are FAR MORE IMPORTANT things in life than a bloody football club but boy it’s hard when there’s so much shit that goes on in the world and the one outlet that you love has now been effectively taken away from you.

I know I’ve posted that the team is young and needs time, but I worry that north can’t sustain it much longer in this position. We’re not a big enough entity.

I’d prob cope better being in this position if we were the size of say a Collingwood, as the constant narrative of relocation or whatever wouldn’t be a topic of conversation. And that’s part of the problem with our current predicament too. It’s feeling like we’re going to continue to be looking over our shoulder until things turn on the field.

 

[archereleven]

I wish we had told the AFL to shove the pp's up their arse now...

A few mid 2nds with caveats attached has the average toothless ****wit screaming blue murder.

There is no doubt we'd be getting picks 1 and 2( and maybe more - soft cap etc) after this season if we hadn't taken the scraps offered...

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[Hearts to hearts]

I don’t and can’t watch any footy media anymore. It’s too upsetting. I don’t think I’ve ever been teary at a footy game but yesterday I was. It just felt so hollow. I’ve never ever felt like that about north or footy. I just sat there staring in disbelief of what was unfolding.

I never thought I’d see the day where I genuinely believe my footy team won’t win a game in an entire season. There’s zero expectation/anticipation of a win. It’s eerily weird.

You know I get that there are FAR MORE IMPORTANT things in life than a bloody football club but boy it’s hard when there’s so much s**t that goes on in the world and the one outlet that you love has now been effectively taken away from you.

I know I’ve posted that the team is young and needs time, but I worry that north can’t sustain it much longer in this position. We’re not a big enough entity.

I’d prob cope better being in this position if we were the size of say a Collingwood, as the constant narrative of relocation or whatever wouldn’t be a topic of conversation. And that’s part of the problem with our current predicament too. It’s feeling like we’re going to continue to be looking over our shoulder until things turn on the field.

Relocation is not a concern now - the process is in train for Tasmania to have its own team and the league to have 19 teams for a while. The AFL has abandoned all pretence at running a reasonable fixture and now just wants product to sell, so the number of teams doesn’t matter any more and we are product they want.

I completely know the feeling and absolutely wept after the game on Sunday. My family gave me hugs and a lovely dinner then haven’t mentioned it again which is perfect.

Avoiding footy media is a great idea. No good will come of it and it’s not that hard to avoid it once you decide.

What I have done this week is practically live here. I generally try not to do that and to escape football altogether, but I’ve found it’s helped to hang out with the only people who share my experience - not that we all react the same way (and I’ve still got my ignore list for posters who don’t make me feel better), but basically people here get that it matters and are good at sharing their strong feelings and at the moment that’s helping me work through mine.

It’s been a long time since footy has been fun for more than about five minutes and right now it feels like there is no end in sight but the NMFC and its amazing supporters have been through worse and we will all survive this too.

Whatever people say about having had enough, we’ll hang on together. And while we wait through this with the senior men’s team, we have three other teams to support and two of them are pretty good!

 

[Danni_Benson]

LoL. 100%. I recall a news story about an incident at a place where I worked and they reported that a War Room had been set up... Well we had incidents coming out of our ears and there was a permanent War Room that was run every week without fail for about 8 years that I know of. Then it was renamed because to the new management, War Room sounded like it might create criticism of the systems they brought in. Of course, the new meeting had exactly the same agenda and we still had incidents coming out of our ears - only now there were twice as many.

I’m intrigued…..

 

[Danni_Benson]

They are going hard. We are in a particularly vulnerable state right now and they are kicking the carcass.

Ride it out. If it wasn’t us Hawthorn would have copped exact same.

It’s never as good or as bad as it seems. True saying that!

 

[Samsquanch]

I’m intrigued…..

I am sure I'm still bound by some kind of NDA.

Actually, here's the thing... In my session where the lawyers were explaining the NDA a critical incident occurred and I left to manage it. I didn't sign that document. But I probably signed a dozen others.

Does that help?

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Ride it out. If it wasn’t us Hawthorn would have copped exact same.

It’s never as good or as bad as it seems. True saying that!

Generally I’d agree.

But in our current situation, it is as bad as it seems. Every bit of it.

The club is dysfunctional at every level.

 

[koshari]

I wish we had told the AFL to shove the pp's up their arse now...

A few mid 2nds with caveats attached has the average toothless ******* screaming blue murder.

There is no doubt we'd be getting picks 1 and 2( and maybe more - soft cap etc) after this season if we hadn't taken the scraps offered...

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the narative would have inevitability been turned by now accepting their "generous" package we now find ourselves in a winless situation.

regardless we have gone full rebuild from the ground up we simply have to hold the course,

 

[shinboner spiggs]

The hardest thing to accept is that we all know it is a pure effort problem. When this senior group has collectively put in, post coach sacking/takeover/new coach bounce, they've either looked dangerous or won games.

How can we support a group not trying? It sticks it out clearly who is and isn't putting in. We are never going to win a game half assing efforts when our opposition trumps our intensity.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Generally I’d agree.

But in our current situation, it is as bad as it seems. Every bit of it.

The club is dysfunctional at every level.

It just isn’t. The VFL team seems have taken good steps forward, the AFLW team is among the best, sponsorship and membership are amazingly strong given the senior men’s team’s performance, the work to improve ground and facilities at Arden St has been fantastic.

 

[koshari]

It just isn’t. The VFL team seems have taken good steps forward, the AFLW team is among the best, sponsorship and membership are amazingly strong given the senior men’s team’s performance, the work to improve ground and facilities at Arden St has been fantastic.

board isnt leaking like a seive either and given the state we find ourselves in is holding up commendably. look at carlon board only 14 months ago, looking at sacking vossy, and matheson and co couldnt help themselves taking every effort to destabilize the ship.

bigger picture is we couldnt win a game we were mathematically most probable of winning ( were $3.00 in a 2 horse race ) but date due to a run of 9 unanswered goals that undoubtedly needs to be addressed was all over 10 mins into the 2nd quarter. point is if we lost by a point we would still be in a relatively similar position, same players , same options available, and so on,

 

[Danni_Benson]

Generally I’d agree.

But in our current situation, it is as bad as it seems. Every bit of it.

The club is dysfunctional at every level.

At this stage, given they’ve been there for such a short period, I still have a level of confidence in Clarko and Viney to correct a lot of wrongs.

 

[Cool Kangas]

I completely know the feeling and absolutely wept after the game on Sunday. My family gave me hugs and a lovely dinner then haven’t mentioned it again which is perfect.

Avoiding footy media is a great idea. No good will come of it and it’s not that hard to avoid it once you decide.

What I have done this week is practically live here. I generally try not to do that and to escape football altogether, but I’ve found it’s helped to hang out with the only people who share my experience - not that we all react the same way (and I’ve still got my ignore list for posters who don’t make me feel better), but basically people here get that it matters and are good at sharing their strong feelings and at the moment that’s helping me work through mine.

So sorry to hear you were feeling the same way H2H. And I dont think we’re the only ones. I’ve saw little ones in tears at the footy, a guy with his head down covered entirely with his scarf….its heartbreaking. We come out to support our boys and will continue to do so, but I just wish things would turn.

 

[Orange Peanut]

Nothing?

I bet he’s reading off a script each week and says the same thing?

And during the week it’ll be smiles at training


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Yeah what does that guy know about coaching?

 

[Cool Kangas]

Yeah what does that guy know about coaching?

Lol

 

[Sphynx]

Yeah what does that guy know about coaching?

This will be his 7th consecutive losing season.

Maybe not a lot if he doesn't have Chris Pelchen/Graham Wright and a mountain of PP's accumulated by previous coaches, including some of the best players of the modern era at his disposal?

 

[Hearts to hearts]

This will be his 7th consecutive losing season.

Maybe not a lot if he doesn't have Chris Pelchen/Graham Wright and a mountain of PP's accumulated by previous coaches, including some of the best players of the modern era at his disposal?

They weren’t that until they became that at Hawthorn. This is the first time since 2004 he’s had a free rein and guaranteed time in charge to build from the bottom - the pressures later at Hawthorn were obviously completely different. And this is really the first year of that process.

 

[koshari]

This will be his 7th consecutive losing season.

Maybe not a lot if he doesn't have Chris Pelchen/Graham Wright and a mountain of PP's accumulated by previous coaches, including some of the best players of the modern era at his disposal?

you say that like he has been here over 18 months?

 

[Sphynx]

They weren’t that until they became that at Hawthorn. This is the first time since 2004 he’s had a free rein and guaranteed time in charge to build from the bottom - the pressures later at Hawthorn were obviously completely different. And this is really the first year of that process.

Clarko had complete autonomy over the transition of eras at Hawthorn, and bottled it.

He overpaid for a pack of experienced players at other clubs which took the team down, not up. Sound familiar?

Longmire transitioned recent premiers, as has Chris Scott.


He took over a club who only weeks before hand drafted Franklin, Roughead and Lewis.

Pelchen managed to trade the likes Hay, Thompson for first round picks in Clarko's first two seasons.


Clarko created a fantastic game plan with an innovative defensive zone, but Pelchen laid the ground work for those flags, Graham Wright extended it into a dynasty with the trading for Hale, Gibson, Burgoyne, Gunston and Lake.

 

[Horizons_00]

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Ride it out. If it wasn’t us Hawthorn would have copped exact same.

It’s never as good or as bad as it seems. True saying that!

Exactly, it's our turn this week. Next week someone will fart in public and the media will talk about that for the next week and all will be forgotten.

 

[Sphynx]

They weren’t that until they became that at Hawthorn. This is the first time since 2004 he’s had a free rein and guaranteed time in charge to build from the bottom - the pressures later at Hawthorn were obviously completely different. And this is really the first year of that process.

No it's not.

He got 5 years to rebuild at Hawthorn and decided to spend the majority of his draft capital and cap sapce in that time on Tom Mitchell, Chad Wingard, Jaeger O'Meara, Tom Scully, Tom Phillips, Jon Patton, Sam Frost and shipped off his senior premiership players (Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, Gunston, Duryea) to other clubs to clear for their mercenary salaries.

This is his third major rebuild, of which the first one was 80% complete when he joined.

Just like here was, we've had 5 years of top picks to work with.

He's bottled 1 and successfully guided the other one with the hard yards completed by Schwabb.