Opinion Commentary & Media VII

[Shinboner1]

Reid for 2 and 17 would be a smart move.

Reid, Sanders and then Watson/OSullivan/Mcercher

It depends if the AFL gives us sanders for free or we match bids in the top 40.
Pick 17 could be gone anyway if it was the 2nd option.

 

[DuckYeah]

I mean, yeah... unironically we probably should.

They are barbaric and the numbers of suicides and violent crimes among retired fighters is insane.

Volk is a barbarian.

 

[DuckYeah]

Depends on the type of helmet. There is new tech out there that shows in studies a marked degree reduction of rotational force, hence why world rugby has approved and endorsed a trial.

The studies also frequently lament that compliance in actually wearing the helmet is the biggest hurdle to a rigorous study.

Theoretically, reducing linear and rotational force, which some are shown to do, should reduce brain trauma and spread the impulse over a longer period of time. Same principle as airbags and crumple zones really.

There's A LOT of anti helmet noise that simply isn't warranted.

In all seriousness mate. If you are earning in the top .5% of the population, who really gives a shit?

 

[Themanbun]

In all seriousness mate. If you are earning in the top .5% of the population, who really gives a s**t?

I care.

 

[DuckYeah]

I care.

I care about the gaps in society. I couldn’t give a flying rats toss bag about AFL players. They earn great crust and this is just a consequence of their chosen vocation. What we should do is cover everyone in bubble wrap..

 

[Mordecai]

How Harley becomes a Roo: the deal that would solve the pick-one dilemma

There’s another club that should be in the market for Harley Reid and which is eyeing off the possibility of landing the hot young talent: North Melbourne.

www.theage.com.au

 

[DuckYeah]

How Harley becomes a Roo: the deal that would solve the pick-one dilemma

There’s another club that should be in the market for Harley Reid and which is eyeing off the possibility of landing the hot young talent: North Melbourne.

www.theage.com.au

We don’t need more midfielders

 

[The Filth Wizard]

How Harley becomes a Roo: the deal that would solve the pick-one dilemma

There’s another club that should be in the market for Harley Reid and which is eyeing off the possibility of landing the hot young talent: North Melbourne.

www.theage.com.au

Any chance of a copy paste with this one please Mordecai? Paywalled.

 

[The Nostradamus]

We don’t need more midfielders

Some nuffies want mckercher who is a mid

 

[King Corey]

Any chance of a copy paste with this one please Mordecai? Paywalled.

Fwiw went in, went out, went back in and it was on show.

Edit: sounded ruder than intended

 

[Makeshift Park]

Any chance of a copy paste with this one please Mordecai? Paywalled.

How Harley becomes a Roo: the deal that would solve the pick-one dilemma​

By Jake Niall​

July 30, 2023 — 8.57am

For as long as it became probable that West Coast would finish on the bottom of the AFL ladder, there has been a debate about whether the Eagles should trade the rights to Harley Reid, the Bendigo teen viewed as a near-certain No.1 pick.
The case for trading the rights to pick one – assuming the Eagles retain that pole position – is based on two realities facing the competition’s most financially powerful club.

Vic Country star Harley Reid, the likely No.1 draft pick. CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES

The first is that Reid is known to prefer to remain in Victoria and arguably represents a flight risk, although his management and West Coast have denied to The Age that he has told the Eagles he doesn’t want to be drafted by them.
Regardless, this does not mean the Eagles should bow to that wish because they have a superb record of retaining out-of-state players. But it is a factor that will give them pause.

The more pertinent factor is the state of West Coast’s playing list and the need for the club to maximise their draft hand, as veterans such as Luke Shuey finish up. While the Eagles have regenerated quickly from their previous crashes, this rebuild shapes as more difficult; there are no easy priority picks, as in 2001 and 2008, and they have fewer quality players who will still be around for the renaissance.
The primary argument for trading the rights to Reid is that one early pick will not provide enough uplift for a team that is light-on for young talent, having missed the chance to trade out a couple of premiership players when they still had currency.

North Melbourne and West Coast were involved in an omnibus multi-club trade last year that resulted in North losing pick No.1 and Jason Horne-Francis but gaining picks two and three and another first rounder (GWS landed pick one). For the Eagles, pick two was turned into a pair of sorely needed first rounders.
Reid is worth even more than pick one last year and there will be more than a couple of clubs interested in giving up multiple first rounders – Melbourne and GWS holding early choices from Fremantle and Richmond respectively, are obvious candidates.

But there’s another club that should be in the market and which is eyeing off the possibility of landing Reid: North Melbourne.

The Kangaroos, who are Winx odds to hold pick No.2 at season’s end (regardless of the outcome of their match with West Coast on Sunday), can complete another swap with West Coast. It is much more feasible to give up pick one when you’re getting pick two back and have absolute certainty about who you can draft. Only Reid would be crossed off the list.
The price for trading pick one for pick two is not as exorbitant as giving up one for later choices. If Reid is as good as Chris Judd or Nick Daicos, then the price must be steep. Conversely, if he’s merely exceptional, rather than generational, it should not be too hard for North to find an additional first-round choice to hand the Eagles.
North hold Port Adelaide’s first rounder – pick 17, based on current ladder position – this year from the Horne-Francis and pick one mega-trade.

North also could well be armed with an extra draft choice for losing key defender Ben McKay, probably to Essendon, as a free agent; in the dream scenario, North would gain pick No.3 and at worst, they’ll gain an end-of-first-round if McKay walks.
North are asking for (more) special draft assistance from the AFL. But the McKay compensation could be the equivalent, making it easier for the Roos to strike a deal to land pick one and Reid.
To give up pick No.1, though, West Coast would need to know there’s a high-quality kid available at pick No.2. Ideally, that player would be a West Australian, too, following the same script of 2022, when the Eagles drafted local products Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett in the first round after turning pick two into multiple choices.
Daniel Curtin, a 195-centimetre key defender who can play midfield, shapes as the best of the west, having succeeded in the midfield in the national under-18s. Recruiters have Curtin and Tasmanian Colby McKercher among those vying for picks 2-5.

The decision on pick one hinges on a range of factors, not least of which is how the Eagles rate Reid compared with Curtin and others. They will be meeting with Reid and making a judgement on the risk/reward of drafting him versus trading the pick.
If pick one is usually sacrosanct, to give it up for pick two plus at least one first rounder is an easier sell.

 

[Ashley B]

This is very probable Vic player stays here WA player stays there

 

[DuckYeah]

How Harley becomes a Roo: the deal that would solve the pick-one dilemma​

By Jake Niall​

July 30, 2023 — 8.57am

For as long as it became probable that West Coast would finish on the bottom of the AFL ladder, there has been a debate about whether the Eagles should trade the rights to Harley Reid, the Bendigo teen viewed as a near-certain No.1 pick.
The case for trading the rights to pick one – assuming the Eagles retain that pole position – is based on two realities facing the competition’s most financially powerful club.

Vic Country star Harley Reid, the likely No.1 draft pick. CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES

The first is that Reid is known to prefer to remain in Victoria and arguably represents a flight risk, although his management and West Coast have denied to The Age that he has told the Eagles he doesn’t want to be drafted by them.
Regardless, this does not mean the Eagles should bow to that wish because they have a superb record of retaining out-of-state players. But it is a factor that will give them pause.

The more pertinent factor is the state of West Coast’s playing list and the need for the club to maximise their draft hand, as veterans such as Luke Shuey finish up. While the Eagles have regenerated quickly from their previous crashes, this rebuild shapes as more difficult; there are no easy priority picks, as in 2001 and 2008, and they have fewer quality players who will still be around for the renaissance.
The primary argument for trading the rights to Reid is that one early pick will not provide enough uplift for a team that is light-on for young talent, having missed the chance to trade out a couple of premiership players when they still had currency.

North Melbourne and West Coast were involved in an omnibus multi-club trade last year that resulted in North losing pick No.1 and Jason Horne-Francis but gaining picks two and three and another first rounder (GWS landed pick one). For the Eagles, pick two was turned into a pair of sorely needed first rounders.
Reid is worth even more than pick one last year and there will be more than a couple of clubs interested in giving up multiple first rounders – Melbourne and GWS holding early choices from Fremantle and Richmond respectively, are obvious candidates.

But there’s another club that should be in the market and which is eyeing off the possibility of landing Reid: North Melbourne.

The Kangaroos, who are Winx odds to hold pick No.2 at season’s end (regardless of the outcome of their match with West Coast on Sunday), can complete another swap with West Coast. It is much more feasible to give up pick one when you’re getting pick two back and have absolute certainty about who you can draft. Only Reid would be crossed off the list.
The price for trading pick one for pick two is not as exorbitant as giving up one for later choices. If Reid is as good as Chris Judd or Nick Daicos, then the price must be steep. Conversely, if he’s merely exceptional, rather than generational, it should not be too hard for North to find an additional first-round choice to hand the Eagles.
North hold Port Adelaide’s first rounder – pick 17, based on current ladder position – this year from the Horne-Francis and pick one mega-trade.

North also could well be armed with an extra draft choice for losing key defender Ben McKay, probably to Essendon, as a free agent; in the dream scenario, North would gain pick No.3 and at worst, they’ll gain an end-of-first-round if McKay walks.
North are asking for (more) special draft assistance from the AFL. But the McKay compensation could be the equivalent, making it easier for the Roos to strike a deal to land pick one and Reid.
To give up pick No.1, though, West Coast would need to know there’s a high-quality kid available at pick No.2. Ideally, that player would be a West Australian, too, following the same script of 2022, when the Eagles drafted local products Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett in the first round after turning pick two into multiple choices.
Daniel Curtin, a 195-centimetre key defender who can play midfield, shapes as the best of the west, having succeeded in the midfield in the national under-18s. Recruiters have Curtin and Tasmanian Colby McKercher among those vying for picks 2-5.

The decision on pick one hinges on a range of factors, not least of which is how the Eagles rate Reid compared with Curtin and others. They will be meeting with Reid and making a judgement on the risk/reward of drafting him versus trading the pick.
If pick one is usually sacrosanct, to give it up for pick two plus at least one first rounder is an easier sell.

“But the McKay compensation could be the equivalent”. Mckay compensation is because of Mckay leaving under FA. These campaigners need to stop pushing this idea this has anything to do with assistance from the AFL

 

[lockheed]

“But the McKay compensation could be the equivalent”. Mckay compensation is because of Mckay leaving under FA. These campaigners need to stop pushing this idea this has anything to do with assistance from the AFL

How badly do we want to be rid of McKay, or how much has the relationships between Buckets and the club broken down?

If the club isn't getting a souped up compensation pick for McKay's departure, I'm happy for the club simply to match the bid. We might possibly shake out a better pick via trade, or we can keep Buckets and try and build a functional back line with him in it.

 

[Roosurgence]

I think that Q&A session was a tactical opportunity to tell West Coast that if you want to deal with other clubs for Pick 1, it still won’t guarantee you getting Curtin, because we will take him at Pick 2.

West Coast might be able to get a better deal from another club, but it won’t do them any good if they really want Curtin, especially with our need for defenders.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Some nuffies want mckercher who is a mid

 

[King Corey]

Some nuffies want mckercher who is a mid

Don't know if it was the bottle of red last night, but I am on the same page as with preferred draft approaches right now.

 

[Samsquanch]

Q: Fwiw went in, went out, went back in and it was on show.

A: A toothbrush.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Some nuffies want mckercher who is a mid

McKercher at least has speed and can play left wing or rebounding half back though. I see Reid as a better version of Zurhaar from what I've seen.

 

[JGreezy]

McKercher at least has speed and can play left wing or rebounding half back though. I see Reid as a better version of Zurhaar from what I've seen.

McKercher fills a definite need, in terms of his pace and skill.

 

[Roosurgence]

McKercher at least has speed and can play left wing or rebounding half back though. I see Reid as a better version of Zurhaar from what I've seen.

I wouldn’t be giving up the farm for Pick 1.

A draft of Curtin, McKercher/Watson (if we get the McKay compo) and Sanders as a pre listed player, is a better result than giving up capital for Reid.

Then we use 17 to draft another tall or as capital to bundle up to try and get the GC pick.

I’m just not sure Reid is worth selling the farm? As someone said, looks like a Zurhaar type. Do we need another with Brayden George touted to play a similar role?

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

How badly do we want to be rid of McKay, or how much has the relationships between Buckets and the club broken down?

If the club isn't getting a souped up compensation pick for McKay's departure, I'm happy for the club simply to match the bid. We might possibly shake out a better pick via trade, or we can keep Buckets and try and build a functional back line with him in it.

I don't believe the relationship between McKay and the club is broken and I imagine we will match the bid and keep him if we are not guaranteed pick 3 as compo.

 

[Shinboner1]

McKercher at least has speed and can play left wing or rebounding half back though. I see Reid as a better version of Zurhaar from what I've seen.

We need a better zurhaar

 

[Roosurgence]

I don't believe the relationship between McKay and the club is broken and I imagine we will match the bid and keep him if we are not guaranteed pick 3 as compo.

Considering our lack of KPD depth I can’t see us taking peanuts.

Essendon will have to pony up the money to scare us off matching, which hopefully is enough for Band 1.

The issue I have is the media will play the angle off it being priority compensation, which might be total bullshit if the money is enough.

 

[Roosurgence]

We need a better zurhaar

His name might be Brayden George.