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Roosurgence said:
I wouldn’t be giving up the farm for Pick 1.

A draft of Curtin, McKercher/Watson (if we get the McKay compo) and Sanders as a pre listed player, is a better result than giving up capital for Reid.

Then we use 17 to draft another tall or as capital to bundle up to try and get the GC pick.

I’m just not sure Reid is worth selling the farm? As someone said, looks like a Zurhaar type. Do we need another with Brayden George touted to play a similar role?
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Yeah from what I've seen Reid isn't really what we need. He's not a linebreaker and if we're getting Sanders I don't see Reid being anything but a forward.
I'd rather McKercher and Murphy/Reid/Philactides. I'm with the volume of kids vs one gun as I don't think he's that much of a gun.
 
Roosurgence said:
Considering our lack of KPD depth I can’t see us taking peanuts.

Essendon will have to pony up the money to scare us off matching, which hopefully is enough for Band 1.

The issue I have is the media will play the angle off it being priority compensation, which might be total bullshit if the money is enough.
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100%, it is total bullshit. . I'm starting to getting really annoyed at every journalist trying to claim that the McKay compensation is some sort of priority assistance. It isn't. The pick we get is totally dependent on what salary he gets. Any club regardless of position would receive this pick.
 

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kaboom kid said:
100%, it is total bullshit. . I'm starting to getting really annoyed at every journalist trying to claim that the McKay compensation is some sort of priority assistance. It isn't. The pick we get is totally dependent on what salary he gets. Any club regardless of position would receive this pick.
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Well, not exactly the same pick, but they would get the pick immediately after their slated first-round pick which is entirely appropriate given that a Band 1 player being lured from a bottom team is far more damaging to that list profile than a Band 1 player being recruited from a premiership contender. The premiership contender will just use the cash they saved to buy another free agent from elsewhere as they are less concerned with the compensation and have a bigger carrot to offer players at a bottom club.
 
Roosurgence said:
Considering our lack of KPD depth I can’t see us taking peanuts.

Essendon will have to pony up the money to scare us off matching, which hopefully is enough for Band 1.

The issue I have is the media will play the angle off it being priority compensation, which might be total bullshit if the money is enough.
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The club should insist on receiving whatever the compensation for McKay is, based on salary etc... AND the actual priority pick(if they deem us eligible). In no instance should it be considered to be one and the same.
 
It was posted in the Kyron thread early today.
 
chubbspeterson said:
Yeah from what I've seen Reid isn't really what we need. He's not a linebreaker and if we're getting Sanders I don't see Reid being anything but a forward.
I'd rather McKercher and Murphy/Reid/Philactides. I'm with the volume of kids vs one gun as I don't think he's that much of a gun.
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Yeah agree. The trading of pick 2 + something else to get pick 1 is brainless when it should be entirely obvious that we need more picks, not less. If we got pick 3 as compo I'd be keen to trade that down to get two more first rounders (with one possibly deferred if a team couldn't get the capital this year). Getting three first rounders this year (+ NGA?) and then two first rounders again next year - that is what we should be looking for.
 
 
Rod Stroker said:
Anyone able to post this paywalled article?

www.theage.com.au

How Harley becomes a Roo: the deal that would solve the pick-one dilemma

There’s another club that should be in the market for Harley Reid and which is eyeing off the possibility of landing the hot young talent: North Melbourne.
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giantroo said:

How Harley becomes a Roo: the deal that would solve the pick-one dilemma​

By Jake Niall​

July 30, 2023 — 8.57am



For as long as it became probable that West Coast would finish on the bottom of the AFL ladder, there has been a debate about whether the Eagles should trade the rights to Harley Reid, the Bendigo teen viewed as a near-certain No.1 pick.

The case for trading the rights to pick one – assuming the Eagles retain that pole position – is based on two realities facing the competition’s most financially powerful club.

Vic Country star Harley Reid, the likely No.1 draft pick.

Vic Country star Harley Reid, the likely No.1 draft pick.Credit: Getty Images

The first is that Reid is known to prefer to remain in Victoria and arguably represents a flight risk, although his management and West Coast have denied to The Age that he has told the Eagles he doesn’t want to be drafted by them.

Regardless, this does not mean the Eagles should bow to that wish because they have a superb record of retaining out-of-state players. But it is a factor that will give them pause.

The more pertinent factor is the state of West Coast’s playing list and the need for the club to maximise their draft hand, as veterans such as Luke Shuey finish up. While the Eagles have regenerated quickly from their previous crashes, this rebuild shapes as more difficult; there are no easy priority picks, as in 2001 and 2008, and they have fewer quality players who will still be around for the renaissance.

The primary argument for trading the rights to Reid is that one early pick will not provide enough uplift for a team that is light-on for young talent, having missed the chance to trade out a couple of premiership players when they still had currency.

North Melbourne and West Coast were involved in an omnibus multi-club trade last year that resulted in North losing pick No.1 and Jason Horne-Francis but gaining picks two and three and another first rounder (GWS landed pick one). For the Eagles, pick two was turned into a pair of sorely needed first rounders.

Reid is worth even more than pick one last year and there will be more than a couple of clubs interested in giving up multiple first rounders – Melbourne and GWS holding early choices from Fremantle and Richmond respectively, are obvious candidates.


But there’s another club that should be in the market and which is eyeing off the possibility of landing Reid: North Melbourne.

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The Kangaroos, who are Winx odds to hold pick No.2 at season’s end (regardless of the outcome of their match with West Coast on Sunday), can complete another swap with West Coast. It is much more feasible to give up pick one when you’re getting pick two back and have absolute certainty about who you can draft. Only Reid would be crossed off the list.

The price for trading pick one for pick two is not as exorbitant as giving up one for later choices. If Reid is as good as Chris Judd or Nick Daicos, then the price must be steep. Conversely, if he’s merely exceptional, rather than generational, it should not be too hard for North to find an additional first-round choice to hand the Eagles.

North hold Port Adelaide’s first rounder – pick 17, based on current ladder position – this year from the Horne-Francis and pick one mega-trade.

North also could well be armed with an extra draft choice for losing key defender Ben McKay, probably to Essendon, as a free agent; in the dream scenario, North would gain pick No.3 and at worst, they’ll gain an end-of-first-round if McKay walks.

North are asking for (more) special draft assistance from the AFL. But the McKay compensation could be the equivalent, making it easier for the Roos to strike a deal to land pick one and Reid.


To give up pick No.1, though, West Coast would need to know there’s a high-quality kid available at pick No.2. Ideally, that player would be a West Australian, too, following the same script of 2022, when the Eagles drafted local products Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett in the first round after turning pick two into multiple choices.

Daniel Curtin, a 195-centimetre key defender who can play midfield, shapes as the best of the west, having succeeded in the midfield in the national under-18s. Recruiters have Curtin and Tasmanian Colby McKercher among those vying for picks 2-5.

The decision on pick one hinges on a range of factors, not least of which is how the Eagles rate Reid compared with Curtin and others. They will be meeting with Reid and making a judgement on the risk/reward of drafting him versus trading the pick.

If pick one is usually sacrosanct, to give it up for pick two plus at least one first rounder is an easier sell.
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Fox Sports report card on our game:

NORTH MELBOURNE

It was a battle of the bottom-two sides on Sunday and the gallant Roos ultimately fell to the Eagles by five points. Like most of the season, there were some eye-catching individual performances but not enough cohesiveness as a team to actually come through for a win. The positive for them is that a lot of the emerging brigade led the way and they performed well at clearance, but the negative was many veterans were underperforming.

In the votes

Luke Davies-Uniacke was once again superb and led from the front in the midfield, finishing with a game-high 30 disposals. Harry Sheezel played with class beyond his years and Bailey Scott was good too. Paul Curtis kicked four goals and Tristan Xerri hit the scoreboard with a couple.

Room for improvement

Some of their veterans were poor. Ben McKay made some bizarre decisions and has had a poor year ahead of an expected change of clubs. Tarryn Thomas was well below his best too while Jaidyn Stephenson was barely sighted.

Grade

C-



The word "veteran" is doing a lot of work here. A 25 year old, a 24 year old and a 23 year old are veterans apparently.
 
zoomba23 said:
Never mind, I said we couldn't go any lower, but I just found this
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I think a public potshot from a bloke delisted by a team that arguably should've gone winless in a full 22 game season is up there for rock bottom moments
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Jokes on him. Same club that is shithouse washed him out with no one interested in giving him a second chance.
 
Harris 10 said:
The push is on for no assistance package and no band 1 compo for Mckay.
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So in other words they think if McKays wage is enough for Band 1 we shouldn’t get it?

The word ****sticks comes to mind.

Yet they will have no issue with Gold Coast picking up 3 first round players for a pack of peanuts.
 
Anyone watching footy classified deserves what they get. I accidentally caught a bit of Kane Cornes when I switched in the radio this morning and he is just not worth listening to, prime candidate for replacement by artificial lack of intelligence.
 
SonofSamsquanch said:
Or, if they are so worried about Reid, they can pick Curtain. North can tell them to stick Jake Niall's idiotic suggestion up their collective jexies.
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All North have to do is sit back and wait..:D
 
SonofSamsquanch said:
Or, if they are so worried about Reid, they can pick Curtain. North can tell them to stick Jake Niall's idiotic suggestion up their collective jexies.
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💯 it’s outright idiotic.

We hold all the aces with pick 2 and especially if the BMac compo is pick 3.

WCE are going to be sweating bullets because the masses want Reid and if they take Curtin and we take Reid and he fulfils his potential then they get roasted ala Jack Watts/Nic Nat levels.

We just smoke our pipe and let them make the huge call - there’s zero pressure on us.. **** this trading down bullshit!
 
Shermanator said:
💯 it’s outright idiotic.

We hold all the aces with pick 2 and especially if the BMac compo is pick 3.

WCE are going to be sweating bullets because the masses want Reid and if they take Curtin and we take Reid and he fulfils his potential then they get roasted ala Jack Watts/Nic Nat levels.

We just smoke our pipe and let them make the huge call - there’s zero pressure on us.. * this trading down bullshit!
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Does the supporter base in WA want Reid or the local kid?
 
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