Tasmania Congratulations on Tassie License. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Other details TBA 3/5

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Tasmania - Tasmania Devils, welcome to the AFL. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Labor declares support for Stadium 6/5

Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/congratulations-on-tassie-license-mens-team-to-enter-2028-womens-team-tba-other-details-tba-3-5.1226653/ Was going to draft up a Summary but this is pretty good...

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[danielG]

The AFL won’t actively campaign for it - they learned their lesson with Fitzroy. But if it looked like happening think they’d support it.


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The retention of players will be the big issue.
AFL has an issue that players have all the power. The afl can change the game by allowing clubs to trade players to the clubs of their choice..
Fact is players want to play In Melbourne because it’s where the spotlight is.. the players can party and get girls etc and it’s what some players are driven by..
Extend length of initial contracts for high end draft choices and pay them more according to the draft position..
AFL PA won’t allow any of this.. (except the pay rise for high end draft picks)..
The talent pool dilution will also be an issue but otherwise it’s good for the game..
An indoor stadium would be perfect but the cost would be too great.
The trade and draft restrictions is the biggest thing that is hampering the game in my view.
I hope they use this opportunity as a way of rationalising the system..

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Finally someone see’s it

If it doesn't stack up,the AFL won't bring it in,so I wouldn't be too concerned,the future for AFL in Tasmania will be a concern though,because the crowds in Tasmania will no doubt just keep dropping off,because tassy is now showing they are not interested in teams like North Melbourne.

 

[Mootsy]

It’s also a chance to balance the competition even more. If it means less 1 team dominating the season, for instance if a team has a lot of midfield talent, it’s not so bad to share the talent to other teams. Also there are clubs who are top heavy with forwards, defenders, midfielders, it’s not such a bad thing to have Tassie as a new team.

How many teams have skilled players in the VFL because there is no room for selection.

Clubs recruit basketballers, athletes as tap ruckman, Irish football has skilled players.

It’s also a chance to expand the sports appeal and maybe release a huge budget AFL video game.

If you want the sport to go global, it’s not a bad idea.

Tasmanian Devils or Tigers would certainly draw appeal as a team name and logo, colours, ta boot.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

The retention of players will be the big issue.
AFL has an issue that players have all the power. The afl can change the game by allowing clubs to trade players to the clubs of their choice..
Fact is players want to play In Melbourne because it’s where the spotlight is.. the players can party and get girls etc and it’s what some players are driven by..
Extend length of initial contracts for high end draft choices and pay them more according to the draft position..
AFL PA won’t allow any of this.. (except the pay rise for high end draft picks)..
The talent pool dilution will also be an issue but otherwise it’s good for the game..
An indoor stadium would be perfect but the cost would be too great.
The trade and draft restrictions is the biggest thing that is hampering the game in my view.
I hope they use this opportunity as a way of rationalising the system..

I have suggested for the Suns and any Tasmanian team for the first 10 years:

Any team trading for a player from their list loses a pick in the next round

e.g. if a player from Tassie is traded for a 2nd round pick then the team also loses a 3rd round pick

 

[Hollow Knight]

Much like the cancerous growths on the faces of Tasmanian Devils, I predict that a Tassie team will be a tumour on the finances and talent pool of the AFL.

Prove me wrong children. Prove me wrong.

 

[Mootsy]

It’s also a chance to grow the economy.

 

[juddymarvelous]

They won't. It'll be some s**t name like "Tasmanian Quolls". They already stuffed up with the Suns (should've been Sharks).

The Tasmanian Quolls??? Lol if they do that they need to be booted out of footy.

 

[JackFlash]

It will be Tasmania "Devils" or "Daredevils" but i'm sure some wacky marketing exec will pitch Tasmania "Islanders"? They will wear Bottle Green, Maroon and Yellow. FFS no White! If they want empathy from all Tasmanian's who follow footy down there, then give them their colours and nickname...

 

[Tasmanian saint]

For Hawthorn, according to that article, it’s line ball that they make more money by playing more games in Melbourne anyway

If hawthorn could earn more money playing the games in Melbourne then they already would be Kennetts not stupid you have 10,000 members in Tasmania there’s a reason he wants a new contract it’s guaranteed money !

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Much like the cancerous growths on the faces of Tasmanian Devils, I predict that a Tassie team will be a tumour on the finances and talent pool of the AFL.

Prove me wrong children. Prove me wrong.

Didn’t the afl have to bail Brisbane out in a big way couple years ago when no one wanted to stay there you have a short memory

 

[The Goon]

The retention of players will be the big issue.
AFL has an issue that players have all the power. The afl can change the game by allowing clubs to trade players to the clubs of their choice..
Fact is players want to play In Melbourne because it’s where the spotlight is.. the players can party and get girls etc and it’s what some players are driven by..
Extend length of initial contracts for high end draft choices and pay them more according to the draft position..
AFL PA won’t allow any of this.. (except the pay rise for high end draft picks)..
The talent pool dilution will also be an issue but otherwise it’s good for the game..
An indoor stadium would be perfect but the cost would be too great.
The trade and draft restrictions is the biggest thing that is hampering the game in my view.
I hope they use this opportunity as a way of rationalising the system..

I'm not convinced retention would be the issue some seem to think it would be. For a start half the team would probably be be local anyway, so you're starting from a better point than any of the northern teams there.
Then there are plenty of good places to go and drink in Tassie, spectacular natural areas and (relatively) cheap housing. From a social point of view players will be fish in a small pond, as opposed to the big pond of Melbourne / Sydney, so maybe not as much opportunity but a lot less competition too. I can actually see it appealing quite strongly to players from regional areas.

If the club is well run I don't see it as any different to any other club - play to your strengths and identify who will thrive in your culture. For instance I can't see it appealing to Dangerfield, but if Dusty was drafted there I think he'd have loved it.

 

[Hawkk]

If hawthorn could earn more money playing the games in Melbourne then they already would be Kennetts not stupid you have 10,000 members in Tasmania there’s a reason he wants a new contract it’s guaranteed money !

I dunno, I’m just quoting the article.

I know in 2010 when the AFL tried to entice Hawthorn out of Tasmania Kennett stated that financially Hawthorn would be better off financially if they took the deal (Kennett and Caroline Wilson’s words)

That said, there was to my understanding no commitments over stadium arrangements. That was pre AFL buy out of Docklands from MSL and MCC renegotiations for MCG games. How many games would Hawthorn get at the MCG, Docklands etc

Also it should be mentioned that the previous agreement had some bonuses / financial incentives for on field performance but if there is a greater emphasis on game development the balance could go back to playing games in Melbourne.

As Hawthorn draw 27,000 to 38,000 against low drawing opposition in Melbourne (ie PA, GC, WC, Frem, Adel, BL, St K refer to previous post in this thread) it’s critical that they can generate a profit from these games

Will be very interesting to see what result arises from negotiations behind closed doors

The 10,000 members is also an interesting dynamic, how many members would Hawthorn retain if they left and would it be offset by increased membership dues across Melbourne based season ticket holders?

So many variables

 

[Hollow Knight]

Didn’t the afl have to bail Brisbane out in a big way couple years ago when no one wanted to stay there you have a short memory

How does this mean I have a short memory? If anything, I am much more attuned to footy outside the big media markets.

My point is still valid... just pretend I support Richmond if it helps.

 

[Jpw22511]

Good and NT side too please.

 

[Toump Ass]

There is a casino in Hobart, there's cafe's and restaurants, there's shops, nightclubs, pubs, a waterfront. What exactly do people need to live their life?

Other people. Facts are Tasmania has the oldest median age in Australia and the lowest youth employment.

You're kidding yourself if you think living in Tassie is as attractive a proposition for a young athlete with a high disposable income as living in Melbourne or Sydney.

 

[NoobPie]

Good and NT side too please.

No chance.

 

[dustysnecktattoo]

Other people. Facts are Tasmania has the oldest median age in Australia and the lowest youth employment.

You're kidding yourself if you think living in Tassie is as attractive a proposition for a young athlete with a high disposable income as living in Melbourne or Sydney.

Do you really think that matters?

1. The blessing to be an afl player for any team in itself is amazing (not all of them will be location pretentious snobs)
2. The off season is long and when they use there disposable income, they’re a skip to everywhere else let alone a hop skip and a jump
3. Tassie is a nice place, wouldn’t doubt players would be more attracted to tassie than say Adelaide or west sydney
4. Tassie as an afl state will have home grown stars wanting to get out of Victoria or nsw to play there

Bring them in before 2025 please

 

[Blackas87]

What new money is there for the AFL in Tasmania compared to Gold Coast or Sydney?

Why is it about new money and not about long term fans deserving their own team to support? Tasmania has a footy population that would able to fund themselves.

Might as well get rid of half the Carlton, Melbourne, Hawthorn, Richmond, Fremantle, Port Adelaide and put teams in Singapore, Auckland, London, Shanghai, Mumbai and Los Angeles because we only care about new money. The league will be much better.

 

[caloschwaby]

Much like the cancerous growths on the faces of Tasmanian Devils, I predict that a Tassie team will be a tumour on the finances and talent pool of the AFL.

Prove me wrong children. Prove me wrong.

Reduce teams to 16 players on the field + 4 interchange (removing wings or one of the rover positions?)
That's 2*18=36 players who will play state league or are fringe enough to make the move to another team and make up their best 20. This will actually reduce congestion and keep the talent pool relatively the same (or better).

 

[kranger]

A different aspect for why the AFL should expand into Tasmania now before it is too late, could actually be one of the reasons why people are saying the AFL shouldn’t do it.

If there is such a small amount of corporate dollars available in the Tasmanian market, wouldn’t the AFL rather capture it rather than losing it to another sport like the A-League?

A-League teams are cheaper to run than AFL teams. So they might be able to slot into the Tasmanian market and take up all of the available corporate dollars. That would definitely prevent an AFL team from being established in the Tasmanian market.

It may mean the AFL would have to support the team, but that is still more corporate dollars coming into the business than what would have otherwise have been coming without an AFL team, or could have even gone into supporting a rival code.

 

[Duskfire]

It is kind of amusing and weird that Tasmania has actually wanted a team for years, yet the AFL went and created two teams in states that don’t give two shits. I see why they did it for business reasons but still.

 

[Hollow Knight]

It is kind of amusing and weird that Tasmania has actually wanted a team for years, yet the AFL went and created two teams in states that don’t give two s**ts. I see why they did it for business reasons but still.

AFL participation has doubled in Queensland since the Suns were introduced. People are starting to give a shit.

 

[Toump Ass]

Do you really think that matters?

1. The blessing to be an afl player for any team in itself is amazing (not all of them will be location pretentious snobs)
2. The off season is long and when they use there disposable income, they’re a skip to everywhere else let alone a hop skip and a jump
3. Tassie is a nice place, wouldn’t doubt players would be more attracted to tassie than say Adelaide or west sydney
4. Tassie as an afl state will have home grown stars wanting to get out of Victoria or nsw to play there

Bring them in before 2025 please

1. Interstate clubs have more difficulties retaining players. These difficulties would be magnified in a place like Tasmania which has an older population, less young people around to socialise with, and less places to socialise at.
2. The off-season is eight to ten weeks, with two to three weeks at Christmas- not that long really. In any case Tasmania being close to the rest of Australia isn't exactly a selling point; you can drive from Adelaide to Geelong in a day but that didn't stop Patrick Dangerfield wanting a trade. And you can't drive to the mainland from Tasmania.
3. Adelaide has six times the population of Hobart. There's a lot more to do in Adelaide than Hobart. There's more interesting things for young people to do in Adelaide than in Tasmania.

FWIW I don't think West Sydney sounds too enticing for an AFL player- which perhaps is the reason so many people are leaving GWS- but given it's proximity to Sydney I still think it would be a more attractive proposition.
4. Yup, I'll grant you that one.

 

[Duskfire]

AFL participation has doubled in Queensland since the Suns were introduced. People are starting to give a s**t.

For sure. I meant at the time. Like I said, I understand for business reasons and long term will probably work well. I guess I just feel a little sorry for Tasmania because they actually want one.

 

[caloschwaby]

Good and NT side too please.

If the AFL thinks Tasmania is a stretch, there's no way NT gets a team in the next 25 years.
It'd be another QLD/NSW team or, let's be honest, a New Zealand team because of $$$$$$$