Tasmania Congratulations on Tassie License. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Other details TBA 3/5

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Tasmania - Tasmania Devils, welcome to the AFL. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Labor declares support for Stadium 6/5

Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/congratulations-on-tassie-license-mens-team-to-enter-2028-womens-team-tba-other-details-tba-3-5.1226653/ Was going to draft up a Summary but this is pretty good...

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[Kappa]

I don't think you'll have too many friends on that one.

Really? Is that just because devils was the name before? United sounds so much better and is unique in the AFL world, whilst also having a special meaning as Tasmania north and south unite behind one team.

Also devils and demons are just way too similar

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. The Age P. Ryan 4.3

Peter Gordon backs Tasmanian AFL taskforce's business case

Western Bulldogs' president Peter Gordon described the business case for a standalone team in Tasmania as "sound".

www.theage.com.au

This article provides more detail (cf The Mercury article above) on the views of Footscray CEO P. Gordon on 3.3.20, given in person to the Tas. AFL Team Parlt. C'tee.

Ryan wrote that P. Gordon stated:-

."...it was possible for an extra team to be added to the AFL".

. It was reasonable for the Tas. govt to expect an AFL grant of $17m pa for a "fledgling club"
( I disagree. Since Tas. is an heartland area, it should only expect a grant to average the smaller Melb. clubs- excluding St Kilda's current problems caused by the return to Moorabbin. The AFL will probably provide c. $15m for stadium upgrades)

. The Bid must demonstrate, to the AFL's satisfaction, that a Tas. team has wealthy Coterie Group members, & high net worth individuals, who will regularly contribute.

There are also further views on A. Demetriou's Summissions to the Parlt. C'tee.


2. Foxsports M. Laughton 5.3

Tassie wants in, so does the NT. Where will AFL teams 19 and 20 come from?

Tassie wants in, so does the NT. Where will AFL teams 19 and 20 come from?

www.foxsports.com.au

Laughton wrote:-

. "It appears inevitable the AFL will expand within a decade... A 19th team placed in Tasmania continues to gain momentum"

. GCFC today "...is helping to support massive participation growth in the region".
(Memo to A. Demetriou- see point 4 below: Pay attention to this verity!)

"Adding another game each weekend would almost certainly add to the value of the TV rights deal"
(The Bid correctly sated that a Tas. team will create an extra 11 games pa to the H & A season, adding c. $19m for the AFL in the Rights' value)


3. This petition was circulated in 2018 by Bob Cheek, owner of Zap Fitness- who said he was willing to personally donate $1m for a Tas. stand-alone AFLW team.
Some of the many comments by Tasmanians on why they want their own team are, generally, interesting.

Sign the Petition

It's time for a Tasmanian AFL team

www.change.org

EDIT:

4. The Examiner M. Maloney 3.3

Demetriou discusses Tasmanian AFL team with committee

Former AFL head Andrew Demetriou has warned state political parties not to threaten the withdrawal of funding for...

www.examiner.com.au

More details on the Submissions to the Parlt. C'tee by A. Demetriou, & well-repected economist S. Eslake.

Demetriou said:-

. $50m -$60 m annually would be required for the team to be financially viable
(This figure seems too high, no one else has suggested this level. Tas. team would have peppercorn rents, Fed. & State govts. would provide for facilities/maintenance etc.).

. "don't assume a Tas. team would be a panacea for a boost in participation rates".
(This is BS from Demetriou- perhaps an "excuse" for previous AFL neglect, poor male comp. nos., & the disastrous decline in AF elite quality in Tas.).

. " A Tas. team would likely attract sponsorship from global & national companies".


Economist Eslake said the Tas. govt. had the capacity to find $14m a year to fund a state team- but suggested other areas in Tas. might be underfunded.
(But the Bid demonstrated the mainland fan tourism boom will provide far more $ for the economy, & provide more taxes to the Tas. govt, cf the govt.'s contributions to the team).

 

[Blackhawk42]

Really? Is that just because devils was the name before? United sounds so much better and is unique in the AFL world, whilst also having a special meaning as Tasmania north and south unite behind one team.

Also devils and demons are just way too similar

The Suns and the Giants have felt soulless because of their non-specific mascot. You need a symbol to market and something for people to instantly recognise.
Tassie United just won't cut it.

Tassie Devil even has worldwide recognition thanks to Looney Toons.

If they go for something different they'll be making a huge mistake in my opinion.

 

[telsor]

To what point? We know who wants a team. Hardly a vested interest like Kennett has.

Yeah, none of those making claims in support gain from it at all....

No vested interests there.

To quote Shakespeare "So are they all, all honourable men"

 

[Verdun]

Yeah, none of those making claims in support gain from it at all....

No vested interests there.

To quote Shakespeare "So are they all, all honourable men"

Ummmm yes - they actually gain from it, reckon that is sorta the point.

As a Tasmanian yep I have a vested interest in having a team here instead of paying $'s to prop up AFL teams that would have gone broke.

 

[madmug]

Yeah, none of those making claims in support gain from it at all....

No vested interests there.

To quote Shakespeare "So are they all, all honourable men"

Don't waffle dribble. People wanting a team are up front. ie they declare their interest.

Hawthorn have not declared what is known to be true. They, or Kennett, want to maintain their claws in the Tasmanian treasury by opposing a Tasmanian team.

I think most people understand the difference. Clearly not everyone.

 

[thegreig]

Really? Is that just because devils was the name before? United sounds so much better and is unique in the AFL world, whilst also having a special meaning as Tasmania north and south unite behind one team.

Also devils and demons are just way too similar

United is such a generic uninspiring name, it may not be getting used in the AFL but it’s just about everywhere else

 

[madmug]

United is such a generic uninspiring name, it may not be getting used in the AFL but it’s just about everywhere else

That name has been mentioned at times in connection with ideas of a Tasmanian A-League team, by people mixed up in soccer here in Tassie.

IMO they can keep such a boring generic name like that. It even sounds like a soccer name.

Soccer-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

 

[BobbyMorri]

United is such a generic uninspiring name, it may not be getting used in the AFL but it’s just about everywhere else

yep. You got Western United(such a stupid name for the above reasons), Adelaide United, Newcastle United jets and Melbourne United. that doesn't even count the overseas uniteds like Leeds, Newcastle, Scampaignerhorpe and FC United among others.

Lets just say this. If the NBL had access to the Tasmania Devils trademark, the new NBL team would be called Devils, no question. Personally, I find the Devils name tired and old but I know I am in the minority here.

Would love a non-existent and will never happen A-league team down here to be called the Tasmania Rangers. Keep the soccer theme but also relevant and unique in Australia, unlike United.

 

[BringBackTorps]

The Australian B. Read 7.3

Re isolated Townsville (pop. c. 200,000), the NRL Cowboys "...have become one of the richest clubs in the game. Their revenue last year skyrocketed beyond $35m for the first time in their history...".

Whilst it costs more (TOO much on the overstaffed & overpaid- not including player wages- Football dept!) to run an AFL club, the success of the Cowboys in remote far nthn. Qld. will provide much confidence the Tas. team will be financially sustainable. Also, Townsville doesn't have the benefits of fans from a nearby 5.2m. city- which is a very cheap (($180 return) short flight away.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. M. Fine says a Tas. team in the AFL should have been added before a 2nd team in WA or SA! ; & that the AFL must announce its intention to introduce Tas. asap.

2. What a photo of the Tas. jumper (with a backdrop of beautiful North Hobart Oval)! (Go to tweet of 7.3, then click on the team's photo- to get a full screen shot).
How good would it be to see the Map every week!

Tasmanian AFL Team (@TasAFLteam) | Twitter

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At the 4 minute mark, Tas. NAB League U18 girls lead 2 points to 1 point; at 7 min. mark, it became 2 points all- & at the end of Q1, Oakleigh led 14 points - 2 points.
The Tas. girls had far less depth (quality), their good players became tired, the Tas. team lost confidence/concentration, & their skills dropped away- Oakleigh wore them down, winning 104-2 points.

The 102 point thrashing would be demoralising, but was not unexpected- the Tas. girls simply don't have now the fitness, experience or skills to compete with elite Vic. female teams (which have had elite pathways for much longer than Tas. jnr girls).
After the neglect of Tas. female AF etc., Tas. will definitely improve, bu it may be c. 2 years+ before they can expect to win a game.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The worst clubs in Melbourne aren't the benchmark for new entrants.

What is the benchmark then? I doubt being a financial powerhouse like wc, ade, pies or tigs would be the minimum entry point.

 

[The_Wookie]

What is the benchmark then? I doubt being a financial powerhouse like wc, ade, pies or tigs would be the minimum entry point.

Mclachlan said 45 million a year was the expected benchmark a few years back

 

[Carringbush2010]

Mclachlan said 45 million a year was the expected benchmark a few years back

And all of those teams are well above that. I'm not all over the speculative figures this Tas club can come up with but at minimum it seems the public is behind it.

 

[The_Wookie]

And all of those teams are well above that. I'm not all over the speculative figures this Tas club can come up with but at minimum it seems the public is behind it.

North and the Dogs are actually under it, Saints are just over.

Club	Revenue
West Coast	$ 102.47
Richmond	$ 92.24
Hawthorn	$ 76.20
Collingwood	$ 73.42
Essendon	$ 69.11
Carlton	$ 65.60
Geelong	$ 60.17
Brisbane	$ 58.90
Port Adelaide	$ 58.33
Fremantle	$ 57.85
Sydney	$ 52.70
Melbourne	$ 48.59
St Kilda	$ 46.68
Western Bulldogs	$ 44.82
North Melbourne	$ 44.60
Gold Coast	$ 43.43
Adelaide
G.Western Sydney

 

[Carringbush2010]

North and the Dogs are actually under it, Saints are just over.

Club	Revenue
West Coast	$ 102.47
Richmond	$ 92.24
Hawthorn	$ 76.20
Collingwood	$ 73.42
Essendon	$ 69.11
Carlton	$ 65.60
Geelong	$ 60.17
Brisbane	$ 58.90
Port Adelaide	$ 58.33
Fremantle	$ 57.85
Sydney	$ 52.70
Melbourne	$ 48.59
St Kilda	$ 46.68
Western Bulldogs	$ 44.82
North Melbourne	$ 44.60
Gold Coast	$ 43.43
Adelaide
G.Western Sydney

In your view Wook, do you think this team can manage that revenue year in year out?

 

[Colonial]

North and the Dogs are actually under it, Saints are just over.

Club	Revenue
West Coast	$ 102.47
Richmond	$ 92.24
Hawthorn	$ 76.20
Collingwood	$ 73.42
Essendon	$ 69.11
Carlton	$ 65.60
Geelong	$ 60.17
Brisbane	$ 58.90
Port Adelaide	$ 58.33
Fremantle	$ 57.85
Sydney	$ 52.70
Melbourne	$ 48.59
St Kilda	$ 46.68
Western Bulldogs	$ 44.82
North Melbourne	$ 44.60
Gold Coast	$ 43.43
Adelaide
G.Western Sydney

Didn’t the Giants announce theirs at 48.5mil?


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[The_Wookie]

In your view Wook, do you think this team can manage that revenue year in year out?

My view is not without significant ongoing financial input from the AFL and the Government of Tasmania. And i think its that which gives the AFL pause.

 

[The_Wookie]

Didn’t the Giants announce theirs at 48.5mil?


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I havent seen an annual report yet from GWS or Adelaide. GWS can announce whatever they like though, the AFL makes up that revenue to the level required.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

My view is not without significant ongoing financial input from the AFL and the Government of Tasmania. And i think its that which gives the AFL pause.

What a load of garbage what is your occupation that makes you qualified to make a prediction or comment like this?

 

[The_Wookie]

What a load of garbage what is your occupation that makes you qualified to make a prediction or comment like this?

Settle down.
I was asked my opinion. I gave it based on the information we already have to hand, including the last report which almost literally says that it will need and expects govenment and afl support.

 

[Colonial]

I havent seen an annual report yet from GWS or Adelaide. GWS can announce whatever they like though, the AFL makes up that revenue to the level required.

Cheers


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[BringBackTorps]

1. The Mercury B. Stubbs 9.3.20

"The Tasmanian AFL task Force has met with the AFL to carry out a full page-by-page reading of the State's 268-page Business case...".

No Cookies | The Mercury

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www.themercury.com.au

(behind a paywall- can anyone post full article?)



2. The AFL has provided a great pathway in Tasmania...for soccer .

Tas. soccer's FFT 2019 Official regd. nos show a 45% increase in "participation"- rubbery concept, like the AFL & all ther sports.

Resource - 2019 Participation

The USAFL does a brilliant job. They have had aussies involved from day one, and continue to have aussies involved to this day. That's the point!

www.bigfooty.com

 

[madmug]

North and the Dogs are actually under it, Saints are just over.

Club	Revenue
West Coast	$ 102.47
Richmond	$ 92.24
Hawthorn	$ 76.20
Collingwood	$ 73.42
Essendon	$ 69.11
Carlton	$ 65.60
Geelong	$ 60.17
Brisbane	$ 58.90
Port Adelaide	$ 58.33
Fremantle	$ 57.85
Sydney	$ 52.70
Melbourne	$ 48.59
St Kilda	$ 46.68
Western Bulldogs	$ 44.82
North Melbourne	$ 44.60
Gold Coast	$ 43.43
Adelaide
G.Western Sydney

Revenue is only relevant to expenditure to run a club at the level required.

WCE has a huge revenue which funds a large surplus. If anything it shows Perth should have 3 clubs

$45-50mil seems about the figure needed. Again its relevant against all other costs.

ie, Footy departments seem to need $25mil. What would ground rental costs be for each club? Corporate revenue versus servicing costs? Admin services costs? etc

 

[BringBackTorps]

1.

WCE has a huge revenue which funds a large surplus. If anything it shows Perth should have 3 clubs

Be careful with this reasoning.
If purely decided on the basis of maximum revenue directly generated by a potential expansion club itself, then Tasmania will never get a licence to join the AFL. It is likely to have a very small economy for many decades, or forever.

Also, WC & Freo would mount fierce opposition against entry for a 3rd WA club.
There is also miniscule fan demand emanating from WA for a 3rd club; but there is demand from WC fans to increase the PS capacity to 70,000- which the foundations allowed for.
Adding a 3rd WA club does not increase the popularity of AF, nor does it create higher Draft nos. for the AFL (Tasmania's ace): Sydney, with an ABS-estimated population of 8.5m in 2050, certainly does.



2. SEN Melb. Radio Whateley program 4.3

The Mercury Hobart journalist said, re submissions to the Tas. Parlt. C'tee on a Tas. 19th team:-

. A. Demetriou said a fully roofed 27,000 stadium would cost $500-$550m (Tas. govt has already stated it will not be building a stadium at Macquarie Point).

. Demetriou said a 19th game is still only 9 games pw, so wouldn't deliver any extra Rights' $; & the AFL would not like a bye every week.
(Stubbs said the Report was referring to the extra games pa. that a 19th Tas. team would create, which would be worth c. $19m pa in extra Rights for the AFL- based on the current deal terms etc. continuing)
go to 2 minutes 48 secs. - 3 mins. 58 secs.

. "...the govt. is investing a lot of money in infrastructure for the NBL team, & will pay $2m pa in sponsorship".

Re McLachlan saying previously that Tasmania wont join the AFL within the next 5 years "No one has an issue that Tasmania won't be in the the next 5 years".

"We've had lots of dialogue from the AFL that Tasmania deserves a team"
7 mins. 45 secs- 8 mins.18 secs.

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