List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Miguel Sanchez]

Just do away with the draft. It’s so compromised by now it’s lost any utility as an actual equalisation measure.

The only reason it still exists is the cottage industry of draft-related media content creation that has sprung up around it.

 

[CountryLad]

Just do away with the draft. It’s so compromised by now it’s lost any utility as an actual equalisation measure.

The only reason it still exists is the cottage industry of draft-related media content creation that has sprung up around it.

Replace it with what though?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Replace it with what though?

Just let clubs sign who they like. Pretty sure that’s how it works in the NRL?

WA produces about 1/6th of the AFL players which is more than is needed to fill two lists. We (us and Freo) can pick the eyes out of the WA talent and the other states can scrounge over the players we don’t need or want.

 

[GingerDocker]

Replace it with what though?

 

[Convocation]

If Bell isn’t being truthful and McClure is correct then it’s further evidence that the National draft is broken.
Looking at next years draft it is going to be a top 10 littered with academy, Father son and Vic talent.

I disagree with the above. Kids can say whatever the hell they want about where they want to stay, but clubs can still recruit them.
Yes there is a risk of the go home factor, but as a club you have 2 years (should be 3-4) to change their minds on where they want to stay, 2 years where you invest in their development, help them settle and form relationships, and ultimately get buy in.
If they still go home and they have reached their draft potential at the club, then your compensated for them when the player returns home (yes I know draft picks are unproven compared to the player going out), and you could end up with something better.
Go home factor is a great media narrative, and that all it is imo

 

[CountryLad]

Just let clubs sign who they like. Pretty sure that’s how it works in the NRL?

WA produces about 1/6th of the AFL players which is more than is needed to fill two lists. We (us and Freo) can pick the eyes out of the WA talent and the other states can scrounge over the players we don’t need or want.

Interesting I haven’t really looked at the NRL system. Would be a massive boost to the Eagles and Dockers, could spend a lot of money on development you would think. Even a soft cap would be hard to implement because sponsors ect can pay for the development pathways.

 

[Deepthroat]

Presume you only wanted the bit about TB

Why Barrass leaving could help Eagles​

Sydney’s interest in contracted West Coast defender Tom Barrass presents the possibility the Eagles could invest strongly at the top of this year’s draft without giving up Victorian Harley Reid.
Barrass has given no indication on his future, but West Coast would be open to trading him at the right price, a well-placed source told Money Talks on the condition of anonymity, knowing their rebuilding timeline and that he is one of few players who could score them a good return.
They already used four selections inside the top 30 in the 2022 draft, splitting pick two to draft West Australian duo Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett, before adding ruckman Harry Barnett and speedster Coby Burgiel.
The Eagles would ideally like to have four picks in that section of the draft again.
Reid looks a generational talent and finished the under-18 carnival with 24 disposals and 11 clearances in a dominant display on Sunday against Vic Metro, even though there is some risk with the go-home factor.
Barrass is contracted until 2027, but the prospect of playing for the Swans – who should rebound next season – may be more appealing, given he turns 28 in October and the Eagles have won only three of their past 43 matches. Sydney make no secret of their wish to improve their key defensive stocks.

The Swans’ willingness to give up their top pick, currently fifth overall, knowing they already have an array of young guns, looms as the key to any potential deal.
There is no certainty that top WA prospect Daniel Curtin, a 195-centimetre defender, would still be available at Sydney’s pick after his excellent performances at the championships increased his draft stocks.
However, this year’s draft is strong at the top, and West Coast stated in the past they were not wedded to picking locals with their early choices. – Marc McGowan

When does Curtin let it be known he'd "prefer" to stay in WA?

 

[bzparkes]

Surely every 18 year old would prefer to be drafted in their home state.

I moved interstate by myself when I was 21.

****ing hated it after a couple of weeks and wanted to go home.

3 months later I was loving it and never wanted to go back, which I didn't for another 3 years.

 

[Ishmael_]

At some point WA footy is going to need to stand up and fight for it’s fair share, call the Vic media out on its bullshit takes and the AFL which has slowly made decisions and rules which impact on the fairness of the competition.

I think the only way this works is if Freo and WC stop acting like babies and put on a united front.

Lately it's been WC raising a complaint and Freo hanging back, happy to paint us as whingers.

I'm sure the same would happen if the shoe was on the other footy. But the end result is nothing happens and it's easy to ignore one 'entitled' club.

 

[CountryLad]

I disagree with the above. Kids can say whatever the hell they want about where they want to stay, but clubs can still recruit them.
Yes there is a risk of the go home factor, but as a club you have 2 years (should be 3-4) to change their minds to where they want to stay because of their development and relationships formed. If they still go home and they reach they reached their draft potential at the club, then your compensated for them when the player returns home (yes I know draft picks are unproven compared to the player going out), and you could end up with something better.
Go home factor is a great media narrative, and that all it is imo

JHF hardly lasted 12 months and Nth were forced to change two number one picks into 2,3 and 17. That’s garbage really imagine if Sheezle or Warlaw were a flop.

It was well well talked about last trade period that GWS and the Eagles made there draft decisions around Wardlaw and Sheezle wanting to stay in Vic so i think it’s actually reality as opposed to a media narrative.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

JHF hardly lasted 12 months and Nth were forced to change two number one picks into 2,3 and 17. That’s garbage really imagine if Sheezle or Warlaw were a flop.

It was well well talked about last trade period that GWS and the Eagles made there draft decisions around Wardlaw and Sheezle wanting to stay in Vic so i think it’s actually reality as opposed to a media narrative.

JHF left because north are a shambles and the smallest club in Victoria. Would never have walked out on one of the big Melbourne clubs.

 

[JackOutback]

I had a look at the Norf list and here are some embarrassing facts

On there list are :
15 first round picks of which 5 went top 5 and 10 went top 10
13 second round picks
4 father sons with McDonald the only one going R1 (pre points) and the rest in later picks with points used
1 NGA who went top 10 and they matched with points

Tell me - why should they get more picks?

This is how West Coast should be selling themselves to Harley Reid. If you don't come to us, you go to North, and who exactly do you think is more likely to achieve success?

 

[Cuzz09]

If I was Reid and the no.1 Big dog I'd relish the thought of being the main man rebuilding from scratch away from comfy home.

He can build something epic with other good kids around him.

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[THE A5]

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[Convocation]

JHF hardly lasted 12 months and Nth were forced to change two number one picks into 2,3 and 17. That’s garbage really imagine if Sheezle or Warlaw were a flop.

It was well well talked about last trade period that GWS and the Eagles made there draft decisions around Wardlaw and Sheezle wanting to stay in Vic so i think it’s actually reality as opposed to a media narrative.

I don't disagree with what you've said above. Jason McCartney's comments below, but players still don't have a choice as to what club they are recruited by, and clubs have to back in their culture/environment and systems that will make the decision to return home not as easy as when they first got recruited. If you make an environment as good as it possibly can be, the go home factor becomes less. This is different for every club, and traditionally we have been very good at retaining non WA talent.

I completely understand why West Coast moved from three and go out into the mid-part of the first round, and it’s exactly the same reason why we were sitting at three and wanted to get to one,” McCartney said.

“When you’re an interstate club and the draft board is predominantly, at the top end, looks like it’s littered with Victorian talent, you’ve got some risk there.

“You might think it’s fine that you just pick this player and you get them into your environment and your system and it’s all fine, but if there’s apprehension about a player right from the word go about making the move interstate and they may go home, you just can’t take the risk unfortunately.(West Coast might have a different risk profile/thought process)

The draft board for us and maybe some other interstate clubs, it’s not the same draft board (as the Victorian clubs). And that’s ok, that’s the reality. We’re not complaining about it. So we do have to look at things a little bit differently.

“Everyone can throw up the players and we love all the players that have been talked about but there’s some we can’t pick. That’s the reality.

 

[bzparkes]

I don't disagree with what you've said above. Jason McCartney's comments below, but players still don't have a choice as to what club they are recruited by, and clubs have to back in their culture/environment and systems that will make the decision to return home not as easy as when they first got recruited. If you make an environment as good as it possibly can be, the go home factor becomes less. This is different for every club, and traditionally we have been very good at retaining non WA talent.

I completely understand why West Coast moved from three and go out into the mid-part of the first round, and it’s exactly the same reason why we were sitting at three and wanted to get to one,” McCartney said.

“When you’re an interstate club and the draft board is predominantly, at the top end, looks like it’s littered with Victorian talent, you’ve got some risk there.

“You might think it’s fine that you just pick this player and you get them into your environment and your system and it’s all fine, but if there’s apprehension about a player right from the word go about making the move interstate and they may go home, you just can’t take the risk unfortunately.(West Coast might have a different risk profile/thought process)

The draft board for us and maybe some other interstate clubs, it’s not the same draft board (as the Victorian clubs). And that’s ok, that’s the reality. We’re not complaining about it. So we do have to look at things a little bit differently.

“Everyone can throw up the players and we love all the players that have been talked about but there’s some we can’t pick. That’s the reality.

It'd be different for WCE because when the players run out, it's usually to a (mostly) full stadium, so they get to experience the atmosphere of playing for a big club.

When you run out to a suburban crowd at a tiny ground in Western Sydney, it probably doesn't have the same appeal.

 

[Free Agent]

Going to be brutally honest here but if this happens again with Reid after Sheezel did it and dictates he doesn't want to come to Eagles I'm as good as done from supporting Eagles and AFL. Just want nothing to do with this farce of a sport.

I've lost all complete interest in it. Games don't even interest me much anymore but if Eagles keep getting feed crap time after time and AFL refuse to do anything about it with equalisation. You have to seriously ask yourself what is the whole point of this league. AFL looks just about falling apart right now in how it runs things. We shouldn't accept it as a club and fight this one till the death even if it means Eagles pull away from AFL altogether. Call it what it is. VFL and be honest that the national comp has failed. An AFL comp is unsustainable.

 

[ep2018]

The moment a WA or SA based potential pick 1 pulls this shit against a Vic team is when the AFL step in.

 

[TerryFilk]

Just let clubs sign who they like. Pretty sure that’s how it works in the NRL?

WA produces about 1/6th of the AFL players which is more than is needed to fill two lists. We (us and Freo) can pick the eyes out of the WA talent and the other states can scrounge over the players we don’t need or want.

That would be a disaster, the NRL is such a boring competition largely because they have no draft.

The answer isn’t to abolish the draft, it’s to make it fair for everyone. Get rid of academies and father sons, tell players to not enter the draft if they aren’t willing to move interstate, if they try to draft tamper then there should be some form of punishment.

 

[Mop]

If the AFL is that worried about the optics of another tainted draft, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they give North Melbourne a priority pick at, say, pick 3 with the stipulation it must be traded to us.

AFL having to intervene to avoid a looming shit storm, but it solves two birds one stone.

West Coast are duly compensated, Norf get their star man who is happy he can stay in Victoria.

 

[ep2018]

If the AFL is that worried about the optics of another tainted draft, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they give North Melbourne a priority pick at, say, pick 3 with the stipulation it must be traded to us.

AFL having to intervene to avoid a looming s**t storm.

Or they give North pick 1 as a PP and when the club question it we will be told to apply in the future if we're still shit in a couple years.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Day trade dreaming

Darling for Dees pick 23

Duggan and future 3rd for North pick 17

Picks 23 36 55 57 for Suns 6 (equal points and a promise to not bid on Walter)

Barrass and 38 for pick 5

1 5 6 17 19

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[Happy Mastenator]

That would be a disaster, the NRL is such a boring competition largely because they have no draft.

The answer isn’t to abolish the draft, it’s to make it fair for everyone. Get rid of academies and father sons, tell players to not enter the draft if they aren’t willing to move interstate, if they try to draft tamper then there should be some form of punishment.

I'm fine to keep Father Son picks. They are rare enough for all clubs, but keeps a great link.

Making the father son qualification fairer (for WA WAFL players) might be something to look at, but even that is less benefiical now given how long we've been a club. Reality is that kids being drafted at born in 2004/5 now. Fair chance at that age (and the respective age of their parents) they wouldn't qualify through the WAFL link now. Marcus Ashcroft's career started in 89 for example. Daicos is the one who played a lot of games pre-87, but even he played over 100 games after we entered the league.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

You don't have Collards 5.1 do you?

 

[bzparkes]

Or they give North pick 1 as a PP and when the club question it we will be told to apply in the future if we're still s**t in a couple years.

They won't be doing that.